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Ok, so we've basically run the table on the "IF we took a QB at #10, Who would you take" thread

So now we're going to ask another question. Now, bear with me, there are conditions but there will be plenty of time as the weeks go by for other threads that are less restricted.

In this case, suppose we made no moves in the first 2 rounds. As in no trades.

Once round 2 is over, which two players would you be most satisfied with?

Here are mine

Round 1: QB-Jake Locker
Round 2: OG-Rodney Hudson

So, yeah after watching more Jake Locker games I'm feeling more comfortable taking him. Even at #10 which I know is maybe a bit high but we need a QB and, while I like Ponder a lot I feel he's more of a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick at this point.

Also, I'd feel comfortable reaching for Locker at 10 than reaching for Ponder at 41st overall. As I watch Ponder I see someone who can be solid right away and probably stay that way. But the more I watch of Locker, who I initially wasn't too keen on, I see someone who can be dynamic, even electrifying for years to come. Though I think he may have a bit of a slower start compared to Ponder in the NFL, his growth curve I think is greater.

Then in the 2nd round I'm going Rodney Hudson. Here's my thinking. We need help on the interior and Hudson is a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme. Now I know we need LB help, but I don't see anyone where we pick in the 2nd round that I would draft. Maybe Akeem Ayers

So really it came down to would I prefer to take a combo like Von Miller/Christian Ponder or Jake Locker/Some other player. I went with the latter choice because a) I'm more impressed with Locker than I was just a week ago b) I'd rather reach on Locker in the first than on Ponder in the 2nd and c) I'm more willing to take my chances on say Rob Jackson lining up opposite Orakpo than Artis Hicks or even Mike Williams (who remains a question mark) at Guard

So there you have it, if we don't move draft position I'd like to end round 2 with Locker and Hudson added to our roster

And you?

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I agree that if we draft a 1st round QB, then our 2nd round pick should be used on the best offensive lineman available. The last thing we need is for the development of our new franchise QB to be hampered because his Oline can't protect him.

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I am higher on Ponder and more skeptical of Locker than the OP. I think Ponder is our man.

And, as much as we need help at RG, I think the defense needs more help. It would be easier to find a decent free agent guard than it would be to find the kind of help that we need on defense. Besides, maybe one of our young bucks at guard can step up and claim the spot.

Ergo:
1 - Von Miller DE
2 - Christian Ponder QB

Then we sign lots of UDFA's because the draft was only 2 rounds. :)

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[B]1st Round:[/B]
Marcell Dareus, DE - if he's gone then
Von Miller, OLB

[B]2nd Round[/B] (in order by availability):
If no Dareus, then Paea, DT
Pouncey, G
Wisniewski, C/G
If no Dareus, Liuget, DT

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Totally down with the QB/OL campaign -- offense has sucked for far too long and right now scoring points is our primary concern.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;779229][B]1st Round:[/B]
Marcell Dareus, DE - if he's gone then
Von Miller, OLB

[B]2nd Round[/B] (in order by availability):
If no Dareus, then Paea, DT
Pouncey, G
Wisniewski, C/G
If no Dareus, Liuget, DT[/quote]


I was actually going w/:

1st: Dareus DT/DE,

2nd: Wisniewski C

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I'll have to think this one out

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I'm going with how each side of the ball played this year. Offense was mediocre, defense was near the bottom of the league. Therefore:

Round 1: Von Miller (I really like him opposite Orakpo. Not only will be be good rushing the passer and dropping into coverage, he will take pressure off Orakpo because defenses won't be able to key on him so much)

Round 2: Ponder (I could also go with what SS said easily. However I like Ponder enough, and equally have as many question marks about Locker in my book to take this scenario)

Alternate Round 2: Wisniewski/Pouncey (This is contingent on trying to trade for a 4th round pick and drafting Dalton to address our QB issues)

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I haven't really made my mind up on the QB/OL decision. Part of me is intrigued by the possibility, while the other part says, "Bigger priorities!"... but really... QB is a huge priority. We don't have one.

My only reservation is all the cheesy cliches that are going to come out if we get Locker.

A true leader, It's now his "Locker" room. It will be nauseating.

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[quote=RobH4413;779243]I haven't really made my mind up on the QB/OL decision. Part of me is intrigued by the possibility, while the other part says, "Bigger priorities!"... but really... QB is a huge priority. We don't have one.

My only reservation is all the cheesy cliches that are going to come out if we get Locker.

[B]A true leader, It's now his "Locker" room. It will be nauseating.[/B][/quote]

Hmmm...Good point that's something to ponder

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[quote=RobH4413;779243]I haven't really made my mind up on the QB/OL decision. Part of me is intrigued by the possibility, while the other part says, "Bigger priorities!"... but really... QB is a huge priority. We don't have one.

My only reservation is all the cheesy cliches that are going to come out if we get Locker.

A true leader, It's now his "Locker" room. It will be nauseating.[/quote]

LOL. Redskins have LOCK(er)ed up a new QB.
Skins QB position has a new LOCK(er) and key.
Redskins new depth chart shows QB on LOCK(er).

Not as good as yours I know, but....

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My dream draft would be anyone not named Cam Newton:

1st. Id be GREEN with envy if we made this pick.

2nd. If he's there i would POUNCEY all over him

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[quote=SmootSmack;779244]Hmmm...Good point that's something to ponder[/quote]

Then again we've also got a draft that contains the possibility for

Apparently, all the redskins offense needed was a little bit of "Luck"

Stronger than a hammer, Redskins "Mallet" is the new tool of choice.

Redskins grab QB Foles just in the "Nick" of time.

Skins "Ponder" grabbing a QB in the draft.

_____________

I really think your name could be Sternup Herflogfinton and they would think of something mildly clever to throw into a headline.

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Round 1
10th pick
Cam Newton - Best Player Available and has tremendous upside at QB, Jake Locker if Cam is gone.

Round 2
Mike Pouncey- It's time to add a young center and he's a stud

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1st: [B]QB- Jake Locker [/B](won't be pissed if we take Cam Newton) Either way we need to take a potential franchise QB.

2nd: [B]WR- Justin Blackmon or Jon Baldwin[/B] (if they are gone then a DL like Cameron Heyward/Allen Bailey or a LB like Ryan Kerrigan)

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SS-Just curious, based on your additional review of Locker, what did you see that offsets the concerns about his accuracy and decision making? Also, why (if you do) do you feel his upside is higher than Newton's? Not advocating for Newton, just curious..

Here's mine-
Round One-Robert Quinn (UNC)-beast of a pass rushing OLB. Paired with 'Rak we can cause major issues for opponents passing games..
Round Two-Colin Kaepernick (Nevada)-Kid is as big as Newton but faster, 4 year starter, has good accuracy, solid arm strength, good intangibles.. I'm not a huge fan of 2nd round QB because of the lack of history of success but he's very close to a Roethlisberger with more speed.

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I have a hard time answering these arbitrarily restricted questions. I can't see how we get out of the first round without making move or taking a QB/Lineman. I know we need LB help but it isn't our biggest need by far.

Plus it's so hard to do this before free agency.

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Round#1- QB Ryan Mallett Round#2- DeMarcus Love,OT

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[quote=Son Of Man;779276]1st: [B]QB- Jake Locker [/B](won't be pissed if we take Cam Newton) Either way we need to take a potential franchise QB.

2nd: [B]WR- Justin Blackmon or Jon Baldwin[/B] (if they are gone then a DL like Cameron Heyward/Allen Bailey or a LB like Ryan Kerrigan)[/quote]

Blackmon is staying at OSU

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779283]Blackmon is staying at OSU[/quote]

that stinks. Then I would go for the Pitt WR or Floyd from Notre Dame in the 2nd.

Alex Henery K NE. We ll be set 4 15 years.

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[quote=Son Of Man;779288]that stinks. Then I would go for the Pitt WR or Floyd from Notre Dame in the 2nd.[/quote]

Floyd's staying too

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[quote=chrishanburgerHOF;779289]Alex Henery K NE. We ll be set 4 15 years.[/quote]

1st or 2nd round?

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[quote=Son Of Man;779288]that stinks. Then I would go for the Pitt WR or Floyd from Notre Dame in the 2nd.[/quote]

Smoot already said it doesn't look like the Skins will address the WR position through the draft. At least in the first couple rounds. I can see us getting a later round project. To many other areas of need to spend a high pick on a skill position like WR.

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[quote=FRPLG;779280]I have a hard time answering these arbitrarily restricted questions. I can't see how we get out of the first round without making move or taking a QB/Lineman. I know we need LB help but it isn't our biggest need by far.

Plus it's so hard to do this before free agency.[/quote]

Arbitrarily restricted? It's not like I said you can only pick safeties from the Big 12? I figured this might be simple actually with limited options. Like I said we'll have various scenarios over the next several weeks

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[quote=FRPLG;779280]I have a hard time answering these arbitrarily restricted questions. I can't see how we get out of the first round without making move or taking a QB/Lineman. I know we need LB help but it isn't our biggest need by far.

[B]Plus it's so hard to do this before free agency[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

I feel that we'll probably fill a few holes in FA which could change my outlook on a Dream Draft.

To be honest, I don't think I like any player in this draft that we might get at #10 enough to draft him there. So, my ideal draft would include trading down, perhaps with Miami, if they would like to move up to take a QB they like.

Maybe we could still get Von Miller (LOLB) at #15 and Stephan Wisniewski (C/G) in Round 2. Plus we could possibly get a 3rd Round pick in the hypothetical trade with Miami.

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1st- Von Miller or if he falls Robert Quinn

2nd- Mikel Leshoure RB

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[quote=SmootSmack;779295]Floyd's staying too[/quote]

Okay...0 for 2. Then I default to "then a DL like Cameron Heyward/Allen Bailey or a LB like Ryan Kerrigan" in the 2nd Round.

Still want Locker in the 1st....or Newton if we vibes well with the Shannys.

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I'm going to catch grief for this, but here it goes;
1st rd Cameron Heyward (DE/DT) OSU
2nd rd Stefen Wisniewski (C) Penn St


Buck[eye][Red]Skin!

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[quote=SkinzWin;779297]Smoot already said it doesn't look like the Skins will address the WR position through the draft. At least in the first couple rounds. I can see us getting a later round project. To many other areas of need to spend a high pick on a skill position like WR.[/quote]

That's what i had heard but dint take my word as gospel. Plus it's not even february

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My Round 1 & 2 Dream Draft:

Round 1: FB Chico23231

Round 2: C/G Mike Pouncey

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[quote=Paintrain;779277]SS-Just curious, based on your additional review of Locker, what did you see that offsets the concerns about his accuracy and decision making? Also, why (if you do) do you feel his upside is higher than Newton's? Not advocating for Newton, just curious..

Here's mine-
Round One-Robert Quinn (UNC)-beast of a pass rushing OLB. Paired with 'Rak we can cause major issues for opponents passing games..
Round Two-Colin Kaepernick (Nevada)-Kid is as big as Newton but faster, 4 year starter, has good accuracy, solid arm strength, good intangibles.. I'm not a huge fan of 2nd round QB because of the lack of history of success but he's very close to a Roethlisberger with more speed.[/quote]

Kaepernick reminds me too much of Pike. Tall, but kind for fragile in my opinion. Plus some people think he may have to change positions in the NFL. A

Like I've mentioned before, Quinn is reportedly getting a lot of buzz inside Redskins Park. He could be the "surprise" 1st round pick.

Anyhow, as to your question. I haven't watched too much Newton yet. But from what I have seen he's got a lot of potential. But I see more potential than productivity, and that kind of concerns me. And I feel like some of his weaknesses were masked. So I think I'd almost rather take a chance on a Mitch Mustain in the 7th round than a Newton at #10 overall.

I was under the impression that Locker would tuck the ball and run more often than I'd like. But watching the games, first I was impressed with his accuracy on the long ball. I did have some concerns about him telegraphing his passes sometimes. But what really impressed was his ability to get out of the pocket and then set his feet and his body and throw the pass. He can avoid the rush, and throw on the run but at the same time have his feet set and throw a strong, accurate pass.

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1st Round: Cam Newton. Im ready for him to become the face of this organization and turn us around, and his upside and play-making ability cant be passed up. If not Mallett would be acceptable, I would like Locker, and be mildly upset if we take gabbert.
2nd Round: Justin Blackmon or Jon Baldwin IF pouncey is gone.

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So to recap: both Blackmon and Floyd are returning to school next season

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[quote=SmootSmack;779306]That's what i had heard but dint take my word as gospel. Plus it's not even february[/quote]

Why can't I take it as gospel? If I don't take your word as it, who would I turn to? JLC?!? Shefter?!? Don't make me do it Smoot....

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[quote=SmootSmack;779244]Hmmm...Good point that's something to ponder[/quote]
You guys are about to to get a mallett across the head :smashfrea

[QUOTE=chrishanburgerHOF;779289]Alex Henery K NE. We ll be set 4 15 years.[/QUOTE]
2nd.
Prince Amurakara in the 1st. We have not been consistently good @ either pos for 5 years.

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[quote=chrishanburgerHOF;779319]2nd.
Prince Amurakara in the 1st. We have not been consistently good @ either pos for 5 years.[/quote]

Forget it bro, he's already gone.

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Prince will go top 5

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;779229][B]1st Round:[/B]
Marcell Dareus, DE - if he's gone then
Von Miller, OLB

[B]2nd Round[/B] (in order by availability):
If no Dareus, then Paea, DT
Pouncey, G
Wisniewski, C/G
If no Dareus, Liuget, DT[/quote]

I'd like this too.