The all-overrated team
 

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There are 2 redskins on this list
Samules
Arrington

What are your thoughts on this list?

I am not sure if I buy into Arrington, but that is just me...

I Can See Thier Argument For Both Samuels And Arrington

Hard to call a man over-rated that's played two games. In the past I could see it though. He's a great player, but likes to over-pursue and "freelance."

man i agree with everyting the guy said. i wish they had added warren sapp to the list

I have been saying Lavar is the most overated player in football for over a year now, this guy was dead on about Samuels he's a lazy player there is no fire in his game, I didn't agree with all his assessment's like Pettigote OVERATED? Who actually said he could play to begin with? Urlacher? Maybe he's not as great as everybody makes out but he is still pretty good what MLB doesn't need tackles to keep the O-linemen off of him even Ray Lewis need's big guy's on the inside, I think their splitting hair's on a few of those guy's, if your going to put Woodson, and Bly, in there than you have to put Champ, no way Champ is as good as he's made out to be.

[QUOTE=jamf]man i agree with everyting the guy said. i wish they had added warren sapp to the list[/QUOTE]warren sap was on the list

maybe no defensive coordinator has stayed in DC long enough to leave an impression on LaVar. seems pretty likely. we all need to cross our fingers for Williams not to leave us.

[QUOTE=illdefined]maybe no defensive coordinator has stayed in DC long enough to leave an impression on LaVar. seems pretty likely. we all need to cross our fingers for Williams not to leave us.[/QUOTE]


I think we are secure with Williams he is still fairly young and my thought is Snyder and Gibb's have promised to make him head coach when Gibb's deciedes to step down.

He didnt do so good with the bills does anyone know how long he was with the bill even a DC or Oc.Cause if Gibbs is coach for a while longer Williams can learn from him and he will be just like him when hes coach

I agree with the entire list for the most part.

Urlacher is definitely way overhyped.

As for Arrington and Samuels, yeah I'll buy it.

But who's responsible for the overhyping? Funny how the media loves to build people up and at the same time they love to break 'em down.

I'm surprised Champ didn't make the list.

[QUOTE=jamf]man i agree with everyting the guy said. i wish they had added warren sapp to the list[/QUOTE]
He's on there

For whoever said WIlliams didn't do well in Buffalo. His defense was still awesome. As long as he can get someone to run the offense. A well known coach (by then, who knows) but all of us know Snyder is willing to spend the cash to get the best offensive mind in here!

[QUOTE=offiss]...... Urlacher? Maybe he's not as great as everybody makes out but he is still pretty good what MLB doesn't need tackles to keep the O-linemen off of him even Ray Lewis need's big guy's on the inside, I think their splitting hair's on a few of those guy's, .....[/QUOTE]

It is true Urlacher is the second best MLB in the NFL. But Ray Lewis is head and shoulders better MLB than Urlacher. Ray Lewis is a complete MLB (has all the tools). Urlacher is great in the open field, great speed and skills guy, but lacks the toughness/physical strength in the in small space. I have seen Urlacher get picked up and moved by top offensive lineman. I have never seen Ray Lewis or Arrington (for that matter) get dominated by an offensive lineman.
That is Urlacher's ONLY weakness. Other than that he is great.
The only reason Urlacher is the NFL's poster child for MLB's is Ray Lewis got caught up in that whole Superbowl mess where some guy got killed. Lewis was lucky he did not end up in jail. Since then though Lewis has been a good about not hanging with the wrong crowd. But damage was already done to his public image.

wheres Champ on this list?

I agree totally about LA. He is a good LB but not the great gamebreaker that I think everyone expected.

I hate to say it, but they have a point about both these players.

ESPECIALLY, when you take the dollars they are making into account.

Is Samuels worth 9 million dollars/year? Not in a million years. Is Levarr worth the money he is getting? Nope.

Both of these players are making about twice what they should.

That being said, I think Arrington has the desire and is definately an athletic freak of nature. I think Williams will help turn him into a player who earns his cash.

Samuels should be cut at the end of the season if he doesn't renegotiate for a more resonable contract.

wonder if seeing Lemar Marshall perform so well and being part of the no.2 defense w/o him will temper Arrington a little bit.

exactly what made this defense so good was that no one was being a 'star' (except Sean Taylor). everyone played their roles to the plan and thats why no offense knew what was coming. everyone had a chance to get a sack in, Williams mixing everything up putting no obvious emphasis on anybody. everyone marvels at Pierce and it's because he plays smart and sound without making ANY splashy plays.

any criticism of Sean Taylor this year is exactly because he tried TOO hard to stand out, and is most likely why Williams kept Bowen and Lott in front of him until they got injured.

if anything, having LaVar out this year deprived Williams of a defensive DECOY along with a handful more sure-fire sacks.

I really wish we could have seen LaVar all year in this defense.

I really wish we could have seen Ramsey all year in this offense.

Jansen too

Defensewins: You didn't watch the MOnday night (I think) game against the Chiefs then. Where their Oline sometimes doubled him but most of the time Will Sheilds (I think again) singlehandedly owned Ray Lewis like a bitch!

I heard a commentator even say that Ray Lewis should be on that list before Urlacher. He's not what he used to be and benefits from great players around him. Not saying I totally agree, but I think Ray Lewis is the most overhyped player in the NFL.

Lavar and Samuels are overrated. As for Lavar it's not all his fault. He would be much further along if he played in one defensive system his whole career. Injuries have also been a factor. Samuels has been good, but not the pro bowler he is billed as.

samuels is garbage to me. i really like seeing lower round draft picks to come in (wilson) and do a great job. i like them because of their lack of bigheadedness. Bugel can get theses guys to buy in on what he is saying. like bostic, joe etc. i want a left tackle that has nothing to lose and everything to gain and bugel can whip him in to one of the best. and it all starts with the players mindset which first rounders are more bigheaded.

Samuels has made some very good plays this year. He, like everyone else, needs time to adapt. That being said, he better restructure or he's outta here.

everyone who needs surgery for any chronic injuries (COLES, SAMUELS) better get it this year!

I really do not think it would matter for LaVar. He is definetly a player who will have a short lived career. As much as I like to see him on the field. His chances of getting hurt are doubled of the average player. It is so hard to get a solid view on Samuels. One day no one can get by. Then the next a 95 year old grandpa with no legs could blow by him. The only way Samules will be here next year is if he restructures his vastly over-paid contract.

Samuels has had a decent year and he's also been quietly playing hurt.

Hopefully he'll restructure, get healthy and bounce back strong in '05.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree with the entire list for the most part.

Urlacher is definitely way overhyped.

As for Arrington and Samuels, yeah I'll buy it.

But who's responsible for the overhyping? Funny how the media loves to build people up and at the same time they love to break 'em down.

I'm surprised Champ didn't make the list.[/QUOTE]


Good post!

[QUOTE=illdefined]wonder if seeing Lemar Marshall perform so well and being part of the no.2 defense w/o him will temper Arrington a little bit.

exactly what made this defense so good was that no one was being a 'star' (except Sean Taylor). everyone played their roles to the plan and thats why no offense knew what was coming. everyone had a chance to get a sack in, Williams mixing everything up putting no obvious emphasis on anybody. everyone marvels at Pierce and it's because he plays smart and sound without making ANY splashy plays.

any criticism of Sean Taylor this year is exactly because he tried TOO hard to stand out, and is most likely why Williams kept Bowen and Lott in front of him until they got injured.

if anything, having LaVar out this year deprived Williams of a defensive DECOY along with a handful more sure-fire sacks.[/QUOTE]


Lemar has been adequate, I want to see Clemon's get a real shot that guy has some serious speed and look's very aggresive, he's probably right now a little green instinct wise but let's see if he progresses, you can teach a player to play LB, you can't teach speed and he has it.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Samuels has had a decent year and he's also been quietly playing hurt.

Hopefully he'll restructure, get healthy and bounce back strong in '05.[/QUOTE]

didn't he play hurt all last year too? wasn't that his psuedo-excuse then too? whatever it is, he better get it fixed. Coles too.

While I think Urlacher and Arrington may be a bit overrated, whoever came up with the selections for this group of Arrington, Urlacher, and Zach Thomas is a dumbass. I mean when u r basing this off of their productivity vs their salary, there's only a very small selection of players who actually deserve the contracts they have and live up to all of their expectations, but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell any GM would turn down the option, if it arose, to have those three players as their starting linebackers.