Cerrato on Zorn
 

I hate to rehash this topic but VC is on 106.7 FM in DC right now and he's just throwing Zorn repeatedly under the bus, and backing up over him. Says he did his radio show bc Zorn was bad with the media; says Zorn was stubborn and wouldnt listen to others' suggestions.

Yeah I think we've all heard and aware about Zorn's stubborness, but what business does Cerrato have blasting Zorn? That hire was 100% on Cerrato.

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Yeah VC did more damage here than Zorn could have if he was trying to! IMO

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When your owner is willing to outspend everyone in the entire league, it's a huge indictment of your capability as a GM if you can't at least make the playoffs semi-consistently.

Top 40% of teams in the league make the playoffs, and you can't even get there with all the money in the world?

Even Brian Cashman has a better track record than that. Go away, Vinny.

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Well at least he had the balls to go on 106.7, I could give two poops for Vinny or Zorn. They are both gone, so they aren't a part of what I love. **** the both of them, and I mean that in the most respectful way that I can.

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Vinny hired Zorn. Zorn's a nice guy, but that hire was one of the worst hires possible. Vinnie couldn't hire anyone else, b/c anyone else didn't want to work w/ Vinny. Yes, go away Vinnie, we'd rather not hear your name ever again.

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Does Vinny ever own up to any of his mistakes??

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I've never once known him to

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Vinny is a moron.
If he told me titties were nice I wouldn't believe him.

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Eff Vinny. That is such a b*tch move too, over a year later to be still whinning like a ho when given a chance. Obviously Vinny has no Tigerblood and is not into winning

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[quote=SmootSmack;788006]I've never once known him to[/quote]

SS- I didn't hear the bit on the radio, but did the host of the show take him to task on the fact that HE hired Zorn? I mean, doesn't Vinny realize that in mocking/talking down about Zorn he's actually crapping on his ability to do his job?

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Zorn was the gun, Vinny was the shooter.

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Why do people still talk to Vinny? Seriously...

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[quote=GMScud;788011]SS- I didn't hear the bit on the radio, but did the host of the show take him to task on the fact that HE hired Zorn? I mean, doesn't Vinny realize that in mocking/talking down about Zorn he's actually crapping on his ability to do his job?[/quote]

Not that I heard. I know I'm not exactly practicing what I'm about to preach here by starting a thread on Vinny but can't Vinny just let it go already?

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[quote=redsk1;788004]Vinny hired Zorn. Zorn's a nice guy, but that hire was one of the worst hires possible. Vinnie couldn't hire anyone else, b/c anyone else didn't want to work w/ Vinny. Yes, go away Vinnie, we'd rather not hear your name ever again.[/quote]

Zorn was a desperation hire. Several candidates who were interviewed by the Redskins, and felt to be a "Sure fire" head-coach, were not hired because the prospective coaches had big disagreements on philosophy, and roster/staff.

One such prospect, former NYG Head Coach Jim Fassel, quite plainly said after his interviews fell through, that he intended to change/reshape the roster, specifically at QB, as he felt that Campbell was not an NFL starter. He also wanted players to earn spots through training camp, something that has been long forgotten at Redskins park, as the contracts dictate who starts.

Gregg Williams was another guy who said similar things. The feeling these guys gave us was that the Skins Front Office wanted a coach who would just coach what was given to him. In other words, his roster, coaching staff, and other stuff was already assigned. And for obvious reasons no competent Head Coach would agree to that. So Zorn, who was originally supposed to be an OC, was hired as HC after their other choices fell through.

There were numerous articles stating the above, people can look them up at will. And Jim Fassell was the most outspoken of how asinine the interviews were, where he basically kept telling them that he wanted to make changes to the roster and assemble his own staff.....

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This is just sad. I'd like to see Zorn get hired elsewhere. I don't think he'd turn out to be a multi-super bowl champ or anything, just a little bit more successful. I don't think Cerrato could have been in a better situation and he messed it up royally.

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Maybe Mr. Smithers is coming to the realization that his future in the NFL is actually over?

When you have incompetent mishandling of the Washington Redskins for an unusually extended term of chaos and underachieving under the experience section of your resume who in their right mind is going to hire you?

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I honestly hate that man. Fans throw words like that around when it comes to sports and they really don't mean it but i really believe I hate him. He destroyed 25% of my Redskins life and now doesn't even have the decency to go away quietly.

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You know what's worse than this acting in this movie? Vinny's acting during his time here as the Redskins GM. He failed both roles miserably.

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I think that Vinny made the mistake by not hiring G. Williams from the start. He hung himself by picking Zorn.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;788030]I think that Vinny made the mistake by not hiring G. Williams from the start. He hung himself by picking Zorn.[/quote]

G. Williams would have been a horrible hire as well. What about his time in Buffalo makes you think he would have been a good head coach?

Some guys are great coordinators, but suck at being head coaches. Here, I'll name a few.

Don Capers
Wade Phillips
Norv Turner
Greg Williams
Charlie Wiess
Dick Jauron


I'm sure I can come up with a few more given more time.

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^ Jim Zorn :D

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[quote=NC_Skins;788037]G. Williams would have been a horrible hire as well. What about his time in Buffalo makes you think he would have been a good head coach?

Some guys are great coordinators, but suck at being head coaches. Here, I'll name a few.

Don Capers
Wade Phillips
Norv Turner
Greg Williams
Charlie Wiess
Dick Jauron


I'm sure I can come up with a few more given more time.[/quote]

GW would have stunk it up if only because Vinny would have F'd things up for him, and GW wouldn't have put up with his shit.

All things equal with a supportive front office structure in place, I'd hire Williams over Zorn as HC anyday. Wouldn't you?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;788030]I think that Vinny made the mistake by not hiring G. Williams from the start. He hung himself by picking Zorn.[/quote]

Agreed, I think the reason he didn't hire GW is GW wouldn't put up w/ any of his crap. I'm guessing.

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[quote=Mattyk;788049]All things equal with a supportive front office structure in place, I'd hire Williams over Zorn as HC anyday. Wouldn't you?[/quote]

All day, every day.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788037]G. Williams would have been a horrible hire as well. What about his time in Buffalo makes you think he would have been a good head coach?

Some guys are great coordinators, but suck at being head coaches. Here, I'll name a few.

Don Capers
Wade Phillips
Norv Turner
Greg Williams
Charlie Wiess
Dick Jauron


I'm sure I can come up with a few more given more time.[/quote]

While I'm not necessarily defending Gregg Williams as a head coach, let me state that just because a guy sucks it up as head coach on one team doesn't meant he will never be head coach material. Just take a look at Bill Belichick. Compiled a 36-44 record from '91 -'95 as the Cleveland head coach and look what he did in New England.

But as far as Vinny goes, the best thing he could have done for the Redskins was to hire Zorn as head coach, because that move ultimately led to the demise of Vinny Cerrato as Redskins' General Manager and that's a good thing.

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Bring back Vinny Cerrato, the greatest GM in Skins history!

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;787999]I hate to rehash this topic but VC is on 106.7 FM in DC right now and he's just throwing Zorn repeatedly under the bus, and backing up over him. Says he did his radio show bc Zorn was bad with the media; says Zorn was stubborn and wouldnt listen to others' suggestions.

Yeah I think we've all heard and aware about Zorn's stubborness, but what business does Cerrato have blasting Zorn? That hire was 100% on Cerrato.[/QUOTE]

Wise should be asking that same question

-hatas gonna hate

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[quote=SmootSmack;787999]I hate to rehash this topic but VC is on 106.7 FM in DC right now and he's just throwing Zorn repeatedly under the bus, and backing up over him. Says he did his radio show bc Zorn was bad with the media; says Zorn was stubborn and wouldnt listen to others' suggestions.

Yeah I think we've all heard and aware about Zorn's stubborness, but what business does Cerrato have blasting Zorn? That hire was 100% on Cerrato.[/quote]

Unless you have inside info im not aware of,and im not saying you dont,I just find it hard to believe that Zorns hire was all on Vinny.matter of fact theres no way i believe it,Snyder had to approve it,Vinny wouldnt have done it without Dans ok.And wasnt Snyder in most of the meetings with the candidates? Im not taking up for Vinnie,I just think Snyders to blame also

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I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.

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NattyBo
retweet by CindyBoren
Caller: "Vinny, would you draft Newton?" Vinny: "No, I wouldn't." Caller: "Ok, then I would." LMFAO @1067thefandc
21 minutes ago


and what did you think of my question I really hammered him, right? RIGHT?




j/k I didn't ask a question, but if I did, it would have been the 3rd one ;)

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[quote=NC_Skins;788065]I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.[/quote]

Remember Snyder talking about "continuity" after Gibbs left?

I think Danny thought that they could win w/the roster they had, and basically told Vinny that he would have a lot of authority but that they had to keep Blatch, etc. At 6-2 in 2008, they both were probably thinking they had a good plan.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788065]I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

[B]Who did they expect would want the job?[/B] It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.[/quote]

Fassel to be exact. But after the fan backlash to those rumors they went to plan B.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788065]I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.[/quote]

Zorn was desperate for an opportunity, he just had no idea what he was getting himself into. As for Vinny, he should have stayed packing when Schottenheimer origionally sent him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;788069]
Caller: "Vinny, would you draft Newton?" Vinny: "No, I wouldn't." Caller: "Ok, then I would." [/quote]


Awesome. Well done, caller!

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Some artwork for y'all.

[IMG]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9067/vinnycall.png[/IMG]

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nice :)

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[quote=htownskinfan;788063]Unless you have inside info im not aware of,and im not saying you dont,I just find it hard to believe that Zorns hire was all on Vinny.matter of fact theres no way i believe it,Snyder had to approve it,Vinny wouldnt have done it without Dans ok.And wasnt Snyder in most of the meetings with the candidates? Im not taking up for Vinnie,I just think Snyders to blame also[/quote]

Well, and I think I've said this before, when Gibbs retired Snyder decided to give VC total control (and as I had heard it, two years). And while there others Fassel) Snyder would have preferred he decided to do what everyone wanted him to do and cede the decision making. So yeah he's ultimately to blame for ceding control to VC. And I guess ultimately his biggest fault in all of this was inaction

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VC was a ****ing joke.. DS is still a ****ing joke. This organization is a joke in today's NFL

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[IMG]http://images.wikia.com/himym/images/3/3f/Intervention.png[/IMG]
"Vinny, you need to stop running your mouth through the media. People are trying to forget you. You were able to make at least a couple of million dollars working for the Redskins effectively putting yourself in Karmic debt. Quit while your ahead."

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/03/cerrato_zorn_was_done_in_by_hi.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato: Zorn was done in by his ego[/url]