just another question or you guys 2 cents
 

besides Hall and Barrow, who else do you think gibbs will cut cause their not REDSKINS.

Hall? No way. Special teams is too important to him and Hall has been clutch when not injured. As for Barrow? I don't know if he'll be cut or not. I'd guess he'll be cut.

I do think Raymer will be gone. Morton might be gone since he hasn't produced much and he costs a lot.

Sellers, Gardener,dockery??

I don't think they would let Dockery go yet. He has only been in the league for 2 years. Raymer will be gone and Morton. I think Cartwright will be gone to. Just because there is just not enough room. Betts will stay and maybe one of our recievers may get cut Jacobs maybe? I don't know though we will have to wait and see.

I doubt that we'll cut one of our receivers, but I think we could definitely use one of them as trade bait.

Kyzlowski!

Hall stays.

Gardner, Gardner, Gardner! Get the "Route Rounder" out of here and go for a deep threat either in the draft or FA.

we have the deep threat they just aren't using him. get a clutch possession reciever

i doubt jacobs will go, hes been pretty solid when in there. i dont think dockery has been that bad and hes very, very young, 24 i believe. i dont see why hall would leave. barrow probably because of his age and salary. sellers maybe because of his bonehead plays. not sure who else though. hard to call with gardner

There's no way Jacobs will be gone.

Cartwright will probably be gone, which is a shame. The guy doesn't fit into Gibbs' offense and I'm sure he'll be picked up off of waivers by the Bengals. He's got a lot of potential and I hate to see him go. Considering Betts' injury issues, I wouldn't like the move, especially if we got rid of Morton.

Cartwright, which I agree is ashame, cause I really liked him, but I understand. Morton, Gardner maybe. I think Hall will stay.

Cartwright kinda reminds me of Rudy of something. I like the way he plays, I think he can be an asset to the team. The Redskins might be able to keep him around though, I don't think anyone will be rearranging their salary cap trying to sign him

I think Cartwright is only on the team becasue he has a cool football name but he is nothing but a backup remember we have Jon Simon on IR who seems to be a Gibbs fave.

I also definatly don't see Jacobs as gone he is a year removed from being our top pick (2nd Round) also i am not sure Gardner is gone either given out cap shape and the fact he is in his final year we might give him one more shot.

Sellers, Cartwright, Morton (Betts will take on this role). Gibbs likes Gardner so he will stay. Hall stays and Dockery stays.

I think Gardner will stay too. He's made some really big catches this year. I think we need to hit him downfield more (or anyone for that matter.) Like in the Dallas game!

[QUOTE=Daseal]I think Gardner will stay too. He's made some really big catches this year. I think we need to hit him downfield more (or anyone for that matter.) Like in the Dallas game![/QUOTE]

I agree, it has more the terrible play of our Qb's and our play calling, not the play of our receivers. If Coles finally gets healthy our receivers will be fine. A full offseason with Gibbs and CO. will really help everyone on offense.
I think some of our high priced vets like Samules and Arrington need to be careful. We have several cheap players that are playing just as well but at a fraction of the price.
Trade bait?

There's not much reason to let Gardner go when he's on the last year of his deal.

Unless we can get some value for him in a trade (which I highly doubt) I expect him to be back next year playing for a big contract, and hopefully his big payday won't come from us.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree, it has more the terrible play of our Qb's and our play calling, not the play of our receivers. If Coles finally gets healthy our receivers will be fine. A full offseason with Gibbs and CO. will really help everyone on offense.
I think some of our high priced vets like Samules and Arrington need to be careful. We have several cheap players that are playing just as well but at a fraction of the price.
Trade bait?[/QUOTE]

our offense DID have a full offseason with Gibbs and Co. :(

but yeah a full offseason AFTER a full regular season, seeing Portis's strengths, and more importantly with Ramsey at the undisputed helm SHOULD do us a lot of good.

but Coles needs to get healthy, because right now we have TWO possession recievers and no deep ones. kills off a vital dimension to our offense, not to mention a dimension Gibbs loves.

In these last three games I want to see them try Jacobs at speed receiver. From what I hear this guy flys, but we haven't seen enough of him this season to really make an accurate assumption. I still think he was a steal in the 2nd round (thank god he had the flu during the combine!)

Not sure if he's gotten the shot he deserves yet.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]There's not much reason to let Gardner go when he's on the last year of his deal.

Unless we can get some value for him in a trade (which I highly doubt) I expect him to be back next year playing for a big contract, and hopefully his big payday won't come from us.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I agree! I don't think it would hurt us to unload Gardner if he's going to continue to live up to his nickname 50/50. I wouldn't mind seeing a veteran receiver come in (such as what Henry Ellard gave us) and work as a mentor for the receivers. It could also possible help us with consistancy with our wide outs...something we've been missing badly this year.

Don't forget Samuels
 

Samuels is gone (unless he agrees to a dramatic restructuring)
Gardner
Cartwright
One of Raymer/Friedman

On the Defensive side,

Barrow is gone

[QUOTE=aehs77]we have the deep threat they just aren't using him. get a clutch possession reciever[/QUOTE]

Fill me in?

Wyn ~ Samuels ~ Cartwright ~ Kozlowski ~ Possibly Gardner

Wyn and Samuels present future Cap issues and you might as well offload now and take the hit. The real question is how much money are the willing to spend on Pierce and if so will they let Barrow go?

Samuel's, Morton, Gardner, rock, Sellar's, Raymer, Friedman, trade for whatever we can get and let the rest go, I think Dockery may be better suited for a backup role.

Hall, Barrow, Jacob's, I believe will all be here next year, I am sure William's has some say on the defensive side of the ball and he really likes Barrow, and judging what Gibb's think's of rookie's does anyone really think he's going to cut Hall for a rookie kicker?

Hall will be back as long as his leg problems are resolved.

I'm not sure about letting Wynn go either, he's had his best season as a Redskin, he seems to be a good fit in this defense, then again you can say that of almost anyone this year it seems.

Trade Who?
 

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here. But who would want any of our players that people on this board suggest we trade? I mean, what team is going to say, "hey, this guy isn't wanted by a sub .500 team. Let's sign him here." We stink folks. We don't want some of these players because it is believed they are helping us stink. I can't imaging any team out there picking up rejects. Well, except for the Washington Redskins! Dohhh!!!

[QUOTE=celts32]Fill me in?[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling aehs77 is going to say Taylor Jacobs. Another one of those incrediblly talented guys on our roster that can't even crack the starting lineup. It is amazing that since Champ Bailey said once after the first few non-contact spring practices (last season) that Taylor Jacobs was the toughest WR to cover on our team. I guess some guys have taken that one statement and run with it.
Taylor Jacobs must not be showing much in practice because Gibbs has a history of giving anyone with talent a chance. Gibbs especially has given so many low draft pick or undrafted WR's like Gary Clark, Alvin Garret, Charlie Brown and Virgil Seay a chance and they did well.

Either Raymer or Friedman. We need an upgrade at center. No question.

Cartwright unless he can do the opposite of this season and pack on 30
pounds and become the power back we lack right now.

Kozlowski or Sellars - we need a more solid tight end. We may not find one but I bet one of these guys go just to make that point clear to the remaining TE's.

I think Barrow stays if he is healthy at the start of camp. Gibbs and Williams won't forget this years injuries and will want some depth. If the injury lingers, even a little, he is gone.

Gardner - is a question mark. These last few games may decide it. I think he will be around next year.

Morton - gone. Possibly one of the only guys with a little trade value. NY may want him back.
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*samuels
raymer
gardner
kozlowski

*daniels
barrow
ADE!
lott

just a guess, samuels and daniels might cost us later down the road, but i dont think gibbs is a big fan of samuels nor anyone else, and daniels seemed way to injury proan to keep on the roster. but i hope we dont cut barrow, he is a tackling machine and maybe this was a fluke year for him.

[QUOTE=jrocx69]*

......and daniels seemed way to injury proan to keep on the roster. but i hope we dont cut barrow, he is a tackling machine and maybe this was a fluke year for him.[/QUOTE]

You when reach Barrow's age and miss an entire season with a knee injury where there is no actual structural damage, it is not a good sign. Barrow's knee is more an accumalated wear and tear thing over the years than an actual injury from a play that bent his knee and tore something. You can't point your finger and say something like... 'in preseason game 3 one of the cheap/dirty Denver Broncos lineman dove at his knee and hyperextended it.
I hope he comes back to form, he is a great player, but his knee problem is similar to what ended Dave Fiore career. PLus we will take a Salary cap hit if he retires or gets cut before next season.

Gardiner seems to be the popular choice, but I have some trouble believing that they will cut him upright. His cap number isn't as large as some other guys who would probably be cut before him - if they don't renegotiate - like Samuels and Wynn.

I have a feeling Brunell will be back for one more year, and then will be cut in June 2006.

If the doctors think that Barrow can heal properly, I feel as though he could be around for another year as well.

The talk of Dockery or Taylor being cut is just nonsense. Both of them are talented young players who are hard workers (Taylor has been good on special teams which makes him practically a lock) - and their salaries are not that large.

Morton's injury, cap number, and lack of productivity could spell doom for him.

[QUOTE=CRT3]Wyn ~ Samuels ~ Cartwright ~ Kozlowski ~ Possibly Gardner

Wyn and Samuels present future Cap issues and you might as well offload now and take the hit. The real question is how much money are the willing to spend on Pierce and if so will they let Barrow go?[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling you are going to see Pierce get around a 5 million dollar signing bonus. maybe a 5 year contract worth 15 million or so, with a 5 million dollar bonus.

As for Smoot, I think he will get something that resembles Spring's contract - probably in the neighborhood of a 10-12 million dollar signing bonus over 6-7 years.

[QUOTE=jrocx69]*samuels
raymer
gardner
kozlowski

*daniels
barrow
ADE!
lott

just a guess, samuels and daniels might cost us later down the road, but i dont think gibbs is a big fan of samuels nor anyone else, and daniels seemed way to injury proan to keep on the roster. but i hope we dont cut barrow, he is a tackling machine and maybe this was a fluke year for him.[/QUOTE]

Daniels' salary isn't too cost prohibitive next year, and considering we may cut Wynn, I'd say that there is a good chance we are going to see him back next year. Remember - he isn't that old and he has typically been a healthy player in his career. Also, I'm sure the cap hit they would take if they cut him next year is a consideration. With stiffs like Barrow and Brunell who are basically going to insure dead cap room at some point, I have a feeling that someone like Daniels may stick around.

Basically, I look at the situation like this:

If we cut Samuels, we will save 9.6 million on our 2005 cap, and take a 2.9 million dollar hit on the 2006 cap.

If we cut Wynn, we will save 4.1 on the 2005 cap, and take a 1.2 million hit on the 2005 cap.

If we cut Barrow, we will save about 2.2 next year and take a 1.7 hit in 2006.

And if we cut Gardiner after June, we will save 2.1 and take no cap hit in 2006.

Basically, by cutting these four players, we can save about 18 million dollars on next year's cap, and carry between 5-6 million in dead cap room in 2006 - which isn't so bad and this is good considering that 2006 is when the top 10 salaries all will escalate quite a bit.

Considering the cap will be around 85 million or so, and that we are currently looking at about 70 million in salaries for 2005, these cuts would take us down to about 52 million dollars - almost 33 million below the cap!!!!

I think this would allow us to go out and replace Samuels with a player at half his salary, bring in a solid center, re-sign Pierce and Smoot, possibly sign a quality defensive end to replace Wynn, and renegotiate several contracts to help us in 2006.