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I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in Alex Smith and having him learn under Shanny. We wouldn't be giving up draft picks, and chances are he'd come at a affordable price. Have him compete against Grossman for the starting spot and give it to whoever wins the competition in training camp.

Hasselbeck I'd be more worried about. He's older and he's injured prone at this point.

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Id give Alex Smith a shot over sitting through a Rex Grossman lead team fo sho.

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I wouldn't mind adding Smith along with a rookie.

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I like the idea of both Alex Smith and Bruce Gradkowski at QB. Gradkowski is a young version of Jeff Garcia, a savvy veteran who knows how to improvise to keep the play alive, and seems to make others play better around him....

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Agreed, re: flyer on Smith. I'm not big on Gradkowski, he's a competent backup, not a starter. The only reason Smith is preferable to Grossman is that he's got a higher upside. Besides, the quarterback class next year, particularly at the top of the draft (Luck, obviously, plus Barkely and Nick Foles) is much stronger in 2012, and we're at least 2 drafts away from being serious again... and will most likely be in the top 15 again, that is, if Shanahan is serious about rebuilding the right way.

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Smith is a far better short term option then Grossman but I still want a rookie in the first couple rounds of this draft.

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The other thing is, demand seems to be far outpacing supply for quarterbacks in this draft. If we could get Gabbert or Newton that's one thing, but they're not going to fall to us, so we're not going to get good value with our pick, and really, nothing would be worse than us REACHING during this draft, when we have so many needs to fill. And if 5 of the poorer teams in the league all draft quarterbacks this year, the 5 guys most talked about, plus Dalton and Kapaernick all going in the 1st 2 rounds, seems to stand to reason that demand for quarterbacks should drop next year, when the supply will be better. So we can get the best value rather than reaching for someone this year/trading away a key pick from next year to the Patriots to move from 41 to 33 (or 28), to take Locker or Ponder, who the jury is very much still out on.

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I mean, we could draft a seriously qualified starter for the front 7, or Ijalana/Wisnewski for the line, or maybe Jimmy Smith or Ras-I-Dowling to replace Deangelo Hall (sorry, wrong thread). Someone who could help us out immediately and potentially be an impact player in the league. Or we could take the 4th or 5th best quarterback in a weak qb class and have a 50/50 shot of him busting and like a 15-25% chance of him actually being the answer for us.

I think the only place to get a franchise quarterback these days is in the first round. There's not going to be one for us to take this year, and its not like we just need a qb - we need everything. Take the quarterback in the first 15 picks next year.

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Here is Dan Daly's column from the Washington Times about how the Redskins got to the point where they need to reconstruct the QB position:


[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/23/will-18-be-17-quarterbacks-in-17-chaotic-seasons-a/]DALY: Redskins' quarterback shuffle adds up to lots of losses - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Masshole;790491]The other thing is, demand seems to be far outpacing supply for quarterbacks in this draft. If we could get Gabbert or Newton that's one thing, but they're not going to fall to us, so we're not going to get good value with our pick, and really, nothing would be worse than us REACHING during this draft, when we have so many needs to fill. And if 5 of the poorer teams in the league all draft quarterbacks this year, the 5 guys most talked about, plus Dalton and Kapaernick all going in the 1st 2 rounds, seems to stand to reason that demand for quarterbacks should drop next year, when the supply will be better. So we can get the best value rather than reaching for someone this year/trading away a key pick from next year to the Patriots to move from 41 to 33 (or 28), to take Locker or Ponder, who the jury is very much still out on.[/quote]

I tend to agree with you! I think it is much easier developing a QB when he has a great supporting cast around him. I would much rather the Redskins focus on building the offensive line up, getting a solid nose tackle, and landing a true #1 WR or the next start RB.

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I'm a proponent of getting a QB this year and next year. Whether that's Alex Smith this year and Matt Barkley next year (as an example) or Jake Locker this year and Nick Foles next year, whatever it is I think we need not one but two young (or relatively young) QBs moving forward

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[quote=SmootSmack;790503]I'm a proponent of getting a QB this year and next year. Whether that's Alex Smith this year and Matt Barkley next year (as an example) or Jake Locker this year and Nick Foles next year, whatever it is I think we need not one but two young (or relatively young) QBs moving forward[/quote]


I also agree with this as well. Isn't this something Dallas when they were building their championship team of the 90's? They had Akiman and Walsh (if I remember correctly.) Akiman eventually won the job and of course the rest was history. But of course they also had a lot more picks to help build their team (since the draft was more than seven rounds back then.)

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If Alex Smith and Bruce Gradkowski are good fits then these QBs must also be good fits: Troy Smith, Caleb Hanie, Brady Quinn, Trent Edwards, Matt Lienart, Brodie Croyle, Kellen Clemens,

I would take Tarvaris Jackson over any of them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790503]I'm a proponent of getting a QB this year and next year. Whether that's Alex Smith this year and Matt Barkley next year (as an example) or Jake Locker this year and Nick Foles next year, whatever it is I think we need not one but two young (or relatively young) QBs moving forward[/quote]

What I'm hoping for is 2 qb's this year, kinda. Dalton, Ponder or similar in the 2nd round, Stanzi maybe, then Tyrod Taylor in the 5th as our Brad Smith; wilcat/wr/pr/potentially backup qb.

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All the QB's mentioned in this thread are stop gap second and third tier QB's. The only guy that I'd think about making a starter is Marc Bulger. He's a accurate pure passer but he needs a line in front of him in the worst way. But with that being said, none of those guys are coming here and even if they did are they really going to play any better than the incumbents? No. We're going to see Beck, Grossman and a rookie. I just hope that rookie isn't taken until the later rounds cause IMO none of these guys are worth taking in the first two.

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[quote=Chico23231;790478]Id give Alex Smith a shot over sitting through a Rex Grossman lead team fo sho.[/quote]

Smith isn't any better than Grossman. You could argue that he's worse.

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[quote=30gut;790508]If Alex Smith and Bruce Gradkowski are good fits then these QBs must also be good fits: Troy Smith, Caleb Hanie, Brady Quinn, Trent Edwards, Matt Lienart, Brodie Croyle, Kellen Clemens,

I would take Tarvaris Jackson over any of them.[/quote]

Everyone one of these guys are 2nd and 3rd stringers. None of them are starters nor should they be considered as starters. Brady Quinn couldn't even beat out Tebow.

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Smith would be a good fit but I doubt it happens.. Shanny seems to want 'his guy' rather than another cast-off. I'm not sold on any of the QB this year, all (other than Gabbert) seem to have a huge question mark and talent but I don't see any of them being on par with any of the young QB in the league now. I'm not sure any of their ceilings are equal to Sanchez's among young QB and he's slightly above average at best.

I'd be fine going into camp with Smith, Grossman, Beck and us using #10 on OLB or WR and #41 on NT or RT.

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We had our QB of the future but we let Rich Bartel go to Arizona.

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I dunno...part of me says to build the offensive line and find a key RB or WR this year....the other part of me likes what Smootsmack said....draft two QBs and let them compete with each other. Either way, does it really matter who the QB is going to be this year? The Redskins are probably going to have another tough year anyways. Rex does know the system....just sayin'.....I'd probably just keep Rex around for one year at least....

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[quote=skinsfan69;790542]Smith isn't any better than Grossman. You could argue that he's worse.[/quote]

possibly....but alex smith has been in a crappy situation in san fran from day one basically, sometimes a young qb just needs a fresh start. i wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at all, as long as it is at a very reasonable cost.

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[quote=skinsguy;790551]I dunno...part of me says to build the offensive line and find a key RB or WR this year....the other part of me likes what Smootsmack said....draft two QBs and let them compete with each other. [B]Either way, does it really matter who the QB is going to be this year?[/B] The Redskins are probably going to have another tough year anyways. Rex does know the system....just sayin'.....I'd probably just keep Rex around for one year at least....[/quote]

not really, thats why i hope we don't over reach for one ala mcnabb, even tho the deal seemed decent at the time it was very unnecessary. hindsight is 20/20 but looking back we could have kept soup and rode it out, but shanny thought he could work a miracle. i just hope he has learned that this team is not very good talent wise and it's going to be atleast a year if not two until we really need an elite qb. right now we have no wr's or rb's to compliment him, and he will be running for his life due to our lack of a line.

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Repent the end is nigh. Only those who believe in Alexander the Great 1b will be forgiven once he's on board. All the Andy Daltons, Jay Cutlers, and John Elways in the world can't compare to a Shanahan coached Alex Smith!

In all seriousness though I like him just because he gives us a veteran option with upside. I think right now the best thing we can do is hope that a guy like Smith or Bulger hits the market to compete with Rex and we draft a rookie QB that hopefully defies the odds and breaks the trend of 2nd round QB bust.

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[quote=skinsfan69;790544]Everyone one of these guys are 2nd and 3rd stringers. None of them are starters nor should they be considered as starters. Brady Quinn couldn't even beat out Tebow.[/quote]None of the above changes anything about what I posted or has anything to do with what I posted.

I would take Troy Smith and T.Jack and heck even Matt Lienart over Alex Smith or Rex Grossman.

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Alex Smith ? REALLY ... How is Alex Smith a better option than Rexy ... what the hell is going on here ... Why not just go get Jamarcus Russell back in the fold ? Keep The Rex Cannon, draft a QB in first 3 rounds and let's get this party started

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[quote=Chico23231;790478]Id give Alex Smith a shot over sitting through a Rex Grossman lead team fo sho.[/quote]

Great. More growing pains. Just like with McNabb, who by the way is a far better QB. Oh well.

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I am more open to Bulger than smith. That way we know the future is in the rookie that will be drafted.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790475]This one's for you Dirtbag

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[quote=30gut;790567]None of the above changes anything about what I posted or has anything to do with what I posted.

I would take Troy Smith and T.Jack and heck even [B]Matt Lienart [/B]over Alex Smith or Rex Grossman.[/quote]

Id be up for bringing him in over both of them too. The only reason Id be up for A. Smith over Grossman is like someone said b4, upside. I think we saw what we got with Rexy in this offense at the end of the year. I really couldnt guage Smith in this offense, but jesus christ San Fran has been HORRIBLE for a long time. He's due for a change of scenery, he would be next to nothing to bring in. Little risk.

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[quote=SBXVII;790573]Great. More growing pains. Just like with McNabb, who by the way is a far better QB. Oh well.[/quote]

Yeah well I personally think so too. But Shanny and his kid dont think so Id say lets cut our losses now and get a 4th or 5th for him. Im good with us struggling again this year if we are making tough choices to get better for the future....But I cant take any drama filled year of Fat F*ck Albert and McNabb vs Shanny again...that sh*t is old in my book.

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Heck, I would rather go into the seaosn with John Beck then Rex Grossman.

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Competition is good if we can get competition for free(meaning not giving up draft picks) then why not.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;790577]How do I get Tandler's gig?[/quote]

Spend 40 years writing about and reporting on the team?

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How is Smith better than Grossman folks? Seriously

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[quote=skinsfaninok;790590]How is Smith better than Grossman folks? Seriously[/quote]

Well, he's younger for one thing. He has talent, and he's shown he can be a very good QB. But a) he needs to prove he can stay healthy and, more importantly b) he needs to be in a system that isn't changing offensive coordinators and systems every year.

I'm not really sure he's the best fit here, or better said that we're the first fit for him. But I'll repeat what I said a few months ago when I first brought him up, he is in many ways just the type of QB Shanahan would like, a young veteran who has shown promise but who he (Mike Shanahan) believes he could take to the next level. A la Jake Plummer.

Now the rumor a couple of months back was that the Redskins were working on a 2 year extension with Rex Grossman to make him the transitional QB to the next guy (who they would likely draft this year). So I don't know where that is right now, but suppose they don't come to some deal with Grossman and suppose they do end up trading McNabb. Just suppose. Why not sign a guy like Alex Smith under some incentive laden contract. Give him a year to prove himself to the rest of the league, and us. And meanwhile draft a QB, such as Locker or Ponder or whoever, and give them a year to get acclimated and then give them the reins in 2012. Or if Smith proves to be the guy, then you've got a young QB to back him up for the future. Again, I think we need to acquire not just one but two QBs over the next couple of years.

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I just want to draft a QB this year and begin the future, smith and Rex are the same IMO, very avg QBs who may have a great game one week and then have 4 ints the next

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[quote=skinsfaninok;790590]How is Smith better than Grossman folks? Seriously[/quote]

Given the choice I would definitely take Grossman. 3 years under his belt now in this system, he would be the better choice in the short run as a potential starter.

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I would rather have Smith. Grossman has proven over and over that he turns the ball over to much to win games consistently. And I know it's highly unlikely but I would rather just keep mcnabb to be the bridge to our rookie. His play would improve with better players around him and although he can be wild at times his mistakes generally end up low and in the dirt and not as interceptions.

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Smith has proven he can't be a starting QB. He's had more chances than anyone else.

Please no. I'll take Rex.


In reality, I think we're keeping McNabb.