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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/dan-snyder-says-steelers-planned-to-move-up-to-16/]Dan Snyder says Steelers planned to move up to 16 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Akeem ayers and a late 2nd/3rd (adds up perfectly according to draft chart) for kerrigan? anyday. woulda been sweet.

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Glad we ended up with Kerrigan instead.

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[quote=Mattyk;802977]Glad we ended up with Kerrigan instead.[/quote]

I disagree simply because I can't think of a single 3-4 NFL team with two impact edge rushers. I'm just not convinced Kerrigans impact would be all that different from Ayers (and I liked the fact that Ayers played LB in college).

Also I do not think we would have done all those trade downs after. I would have loved to have Marvin Austin (even though I doubt we would have drafted him anyways).

edit: sorry just remembered the steelers. but still don't think kerrigan is TOO far off from ayers. and I hated how we manipulated the board. We got poor deals in trading down and trading up.

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The article makes it sound like we dumped on Kerrigan and only picked him because we could not trade back. I see the move as a way to pick up the much needed draft picks then a hit on Kerrigan.

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What's weird is that SiriusXM says that Snyder hasn't done any interview since the draft. So I don't know when he said this, or if he even said this. But when asked for more information on this, Sirius just says "what are you talking about? He wasn't on"

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[quote=SmootSmack;802982]What's weird is that SiriusXM says that Snyder hasn't done any interview since the draft. So I don't know when he said this, or if he even said this. But when asked for more information on this, Sirius just says "what are you talking about? He wasn't on"[/quote]It seems you're right, at least according to Steinburg: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-did-not-say-anything-about-the-steelers/2011/05/16/AFMxxq4G_blog.html]Dan Snyder did not say anything about the Steelers - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

He also says that the Skins deny that there was ever a talk about a trade between the two teams.

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Well, there's an update now on PFT

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/dan-snyder-says-steelers-planned-to-move-up-to-16/]Dan Snyder says Steelers planned to move up to 16 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

UPDATE: Redskins P.R. exec Tony Wyllie tells PFT that Snyder appeared on no SiriusXM radio show over the weekend, and that Snyder has not done any interviews since Super Bowl week. King’s premise was clear; “Washington owner Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio over the weekend that the ‘Skins and Steelers had a deal in place for Washington to trade the 16th overall pick to Pittsburgh for the 31st pick plus other choices.” King tells us that he was relying on Jim Wexell of Steel City Insider’s report to that effect. Said Wexell in a May 14 tweet, “Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio this week that the Redskins and Steelers had a draft day deal in place, but ‘the player was gone’ at pick 16.”

Gotta wonder where Wexell got his info

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[quote=SmootSmack;802985]Well, there's an update now on PFT

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/dan-snyder-says-steelers-planned-to-move-up-to-16/]Dan Snyder says Steelers planned to move up to 16 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

UPDATE: Redskins P.R. exec Tony Wyllie tells PFT that Snyder appeared on no SiriusXM radio show over the weekend, and that Snyder has not done any interviews since Super Bowl week. King’s premise was clear; “Washington owner Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio over the weekend that the ‘Skins and Steelers had a deal in place for Washington to trade the 16th overall pick to Pittsburgh for the 31st pick plus other choices.” King tells us that he was relying on Jim Wexell of Steel City Insider’s report to that effect. Said Wexell in a May 14 tweet, “Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio this week that the Redskins and Steelers had a draft day deal in place, but ‘the player was gone’ at pick 16.”

[B]Gotta wonder where Wexell got his info[/B][/quote]Dan Snyder isn't a terrible uncommon name. It was just some yokel throwing out ideas and calling them facts (much like I am doing now ;) ).

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PFT and King arent worth a sh*t. Who cares

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Now I have to wonder, is Danny talking to the lawyers about this?

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[quote=SmootSmack;802985]Well, there's an update now on PFT

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/dan-snyder-says-steelers-planned-to-move-up-to-16/"]Dan Snyder says Steelers planned to move up to 16 | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

UPDATE: Redskins P.R. exec Tony Wyllie tells PFT that Snyder appeared on no SiriusXM radio show over the weekend, and that Snyder has not done any interviews since Super Bowl week. King’s premise was clear; “Washington owner Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio over the weekend that the ‘Skins and Steelers had a deal in place for Washington to trade the 16th overall pick to Pittsburgh for the 31st pick plus other choices.” King tells us that he was relying on Jim Wexell of Steel City Insider’s report to that effect. Said Wexell in a May 14 tweet, “Dan Snyder said on Sirius Radio this week that the Redskins and Steelers had a draft day deal in place, but ‘the player was gone’ at pick 16.”

Gotta wonder where Wexell got his info[/quote]

whoops!

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King has also corrected it in his MMQB.

Wexell must have heard something from somewhere, I'd imagine. Curious how he's kept quiet

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PFT has stepped up their game quite a bit.

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[quote=Chico23231;802987]PFT and King arent worth a sh*t. Who cares[/quote]

And bin Laden had a porn stash.....who gives a....

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When I first read this thread title, before I opened it, I thought two teams got busted for secretively working out a trade while this owner imposed lockout was in place.

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[quote=Defensewins;803029]When I first read this thread title, before I opened it, I thought two teams got busted for secretively working out a trade while this owner imposed lockout was in place.[/quote]

That would be a lot more exciting...I'll start working on the rumor

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[quote=skinster;802980]I disagree simply because I can't think of a single 3-4 NFL team with two impact edge rushers. I'm just not convinced Kerrigans impact would be all that different from Ayers (and I liked the fact that Ayers played LB in college).

Also I do not think we would have done all those trade downs after. I would have loved to have Marvin Austin (even though I doubt we would have drafted him anyways).

edit: sorry just remembered the steelers. but still don't think kerrigan is TOO far off from ayers. and I hated how we manipulated the board. We got poor deals in trading down and trading up.[/quote]

40 times may not matter much in the grand scheme of things, but Ayers' 4.88 is low enough to cause plenty of concern. Kerrigan can hopefully be a much superior version of A. Spencer at least.

Oh, and the moved Timmons to ILB even though he came out as a...guess what, DEFENSIVE END.

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[quote=skinster;802976][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/dan-snyder-says-steelers-planned-to-move-up-to-16/]Dan Snyder says Steelers planned to move up to 16 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Akeem ayers and a late 2nd/3rd (adds up perfectly according to draft chart) for kerrigan? anyday. woulda been sweet.[/quote]

Ayers over Kerrigan? That's like trading a hemi for a simple 6 cylinder. I actually watched film on Ayers the other day and didn't come away nearly as impressed as I did with Kerrigan. Seriously Kerrigan is a Pro Bowl caliber player. The fact that we have him lining up opposite Orakpo is almost as impressive as Suh and Fairly and the fact of the matter is Suh will carry most of the weight in that relationship. Kerrigan and Orakpo could very much be equals.

Kerrigan/Orakpo has the potential to be our Osi/Strahan or even an Osi/Tuck. I'm hesitant to make that trade even if it nets us Rodney Hudson.

Also look out for the Redskins pass rush if they add Franklin and Jenkins. BEAST [/thread]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;803046]Ayers over Kerrigan? That's like trading a hemi for a simple 6 cylinder. I actually watched film on Ayers the other day and didn't come away nearly as impressed as I did with Kerrigan. Seriously Kerrigan is a Pro Bowl caliber player. The fact that we have him lining up opposite Orakpo is almost as impressive as Suh and Fairly and the fact of the matter is Suh will carry most of the weight in that relationship. Kerrigan and Orakpo could very much be equals.

Kerrigan/Orakpo has the potential to be our Osi/Strahan or even an Osi/Tuck. I'm hesitant to make that trade even if it nets us Rodney Hudson.

Also look out for the Redskins pass rush if they add Franklin and Jenkins. BEAST [/thread][/quote]

I agree. Ayers seemed a little light in the physical run stopping department. Kerrigan is a beast. Anyone that does not see it after watching Kerrigan film does not understand football.

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[quote=Defensewins;803047]I agree. Ayers seemed a little light in the physical run stopping department. Kerrigan is a beast. Anyone that does not see it after watching Kerrigan film does not understand football.[/quote]

Let me clarify my statements . I would prefer ayers/2nd/3rd to kerrigan not because kerrigan isnt better than ayers. It is clear that he is. But at the same time I do not believe their impact on the field to be all that different for OUR team. My reasoning for this has to do with my own personal philosophies about the 3-4 defense, which I'm sure I will get alot of backlash for expressing.

1. I like one OLB to be a more natural linebacker (how I view harrison/matthews) and one player to be a more natural DE (how I view woodley/ware/hali), I feel the complement each other well. We cannot have two OLB pass rush on every play, so kerrigan/orakpos potential will not be realized. I am worried that it will end up like a Ware/Spencer combo, which I do not like.

2. I think that for our OLBs to be able to effectively do their job, we first need a better DL. I am a big believer in the DE's wrecking enough havoc to free up the OLBs. I think kerrigan's pass rushing talents will not be maximized until we improve our front.

3. I just want to emphasize that I DO want kerrigan over ayers on our team, I just think that the difference between their two impacts on the field given the situation of our team is worth having the late 2nd and late 3rd. Our draft could have had 3 2nd round picks, a first, and a third. That would be sick. After Jarvis Jenkins, we could have had Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson, Marvin Austin, Daquan Bowers, Torrey smith, Mikel Leshoure and Ben Ijalana are some options we could have taken. And we could have gotten Randall Cobb/ someone else or still have done that miami trade and get hankerson, then Helu at the end of the third without having to give up all those picks.

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Everyone get your pitchforks. Skinster is a Kerrigan hater. Let's show up at his house and intimidate him until he admits that Kerrigan is a BEAST!


[QUOTE=SmootSmack;802982]What's weird is that SiriusXM says that Snyder hasn't done any interview since the draft. So I don't know when he said this, or if he even said this. But when asked for more information on this, Sirius just says "what are you talking about? He wasn't on"[/QUOTE]

I guess if you follow the NFL close enough it was a plausible rumor. I mean after all the word on the street was that the Steelers brass were given permission to almost break the bank with a trade up for the other Pouncy. Still not a bad deal for the brother, sure the football team is up and down and not an annual contender like the Steelers but you get to stay close to home in a beautiful city playing for the one pro team in said city thats appreciated.

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[quote=skinster;803074]Let me clarify my statements . I would prefer ayers/2nd/3rd to kerrigan not because kerrigan isnt better than ayers. It is clear that he is. But at the same time I do not believe their impact on the field to be all that different for OUR team. My reasoning for this has to do with my own personal philosophies about the 3-4 defense, which I'm sure I will get alot of backlash for expressing.

1. I like one OLB to be a more natural linebacker (how I view harrison/matthews) and one player to be a more natural DE (how I view woodley/ware/hali), I feel the complement each other well. We cannot have two OLB pass rush on every play, so kerrigan/orakpos potential will not be realized. I am worried that it will end up like a Ware/Spencer combo, which I do not like.

2. I think that for our OLBs to be able to effectively do their job, we first need a better DL. I am a big believer in the DE's wrecking enough havoc to free up the OLBs. I think kerrigan's pass rushing talents will not be maximized until we improve our front.

3. I just want to emphasize that I DO want kerrigan over ayers on our team, I just think that the difference between their two impacts on the field given the situation of our team is worth having the late 2nd and late 3rd. Our draft could have had 3 2nd round picks, a first, and a third. That would be sick. After Jarvis Jenkins, we could have had Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson, Marvin Austin, Daquan Bowers, Torrey smith, Mikel Leshoure and Ben Ijalana are some options we could have taken. And we could have gotten Randall Cobb/ someone else or still have done that miami trade and get hankerson, then Helu at the end of the third without having to give up all those picks.[/quote]

I get what you're saying, this team has so many holes that trading back & adding picks would've made sense in virtually any deal. I also think you're essentially saying that we could now have 2 OLBs that aren't good in coverage. That could be a problem. Maybe Kerrigan will be, but from watching his highlights I don't see him dropping back to cover TEs or RBs.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;803095]
I guess if you follow the NFL close enough it was a plausible rumor. I mean after all the word on the street was that the Steelers brass were given permission to almost break the bank with a trade up for the other Pouncy. Still not a bad deal for the brother, sure the football team is up and down and not an annual contender like the Steelers but you get to stay close to home in a beautiful city playing for the one pro team in said city thats appreciated.[/quote]

But it shouldn't have been plausible in the first place. Wexell basically tweeted something he heard from someone else-I'm guessing. Because he never said he heard Snyder, just Snyder said it. And if Snyder never even spoke, where did Wexell hear it from? I'm all for not revealing sources, but what he did-and what others did running with it-is unfortunate to say the least.

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I think the bigger news would be Dan Snyder knowing anything in regards to what teams offered what. I would be pissed knowing our owner was within 20 miles of the Redskins war room on draft day.

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[quote=skinster;803074]Let me clarify my statements . I would prefer ayers/2nd/3rd to kerrigan not because kerrigan isnt better than ayers. It is clear that he is. But at the same time I do not believe their impact on the field to be all that different for OUR team. My reasoning for this has to do with my own personal philosophies about the 3-4 defense, which I'm sure I will get alot of backlash for expressing.

1. I like one OLB to be a more natural linebacker (how I view harrison/matthews) and one player to be a more natural DE (how I view woodley/ware/hali), I feel the complement each other well. We cannot have two OLB pass rush on every play, so kerrigan/orakpos potential will not be realized. I am worried that it will end up like a Ware/Spencer combo, which I do not like.

2. I think that for our OLBs to be able to effectively do their job, we first need a better DL. I am a big believer in the DE's wrecking enough havoc to free up the OLBs. I think kerrigan's pass rushing talents will not be maximized until we improve our front.

3. I just want to emphasize that I DO want kerrigan over ayers on our team, I just think that the difference between their two impacts on the field given the situation of our team is worth having the late 2nd and late 3rd. Our draft could have had 3 2nd round picks, a first, and a third. That would be sick. After Jarvis Jenkins, we could have had Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson, Marvin Austin, Daquan Bowers, Torrey smith, Mikel Leshoure and Ben Ijalana are some options we could have taken. And we could have gotten Randall Cobb/ someone else or still have done that miami trade and get hankerson, then Helu at the end of the third without having to give up all those picks.[/quote]James Harrison and Clay Matthews are premiere pass rushers in this league. They live and die rushing the passer (along with stopping the run, etc).

You're operating under the absolutely false assumptions that once a player is picked, the position is addressed and that we can't fix up the D-line further in future drafts so that Kerrigan and Rak finally to maximize their potential. This is the draft, not an a la carte line. When a good player falls to you, you pick the good player more often than not. The times you don't are when you already have too much depth or it's at a less "premier" position like RB, TE, FB. And of course, there's always next year's crop of DL to pick.

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[quote=NC_Skins;803105]I think the bigger news would be Dan Snyder knowing anything in regards to what teams offered what. I would be pissed knowing our owner was within 20 miles of the Redskins war room on draft day.[/quote]

What if he was just there holding a clipboard ? Or catching up on The Office ? Or playing Mortal Kombat on XBox Live ? Or just there to watch, not to talk ot to make a trade or to even select a player. IF he was there it would mean that much to you ?

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;803148]What if he was just there holding a clipboard ? Or catching up on The Office ? Or playing Mortal Kombat on XBox Live ? Or just there to watch, not to talk ot to make a trade or to even select a player. IF he was there it would mean that much to you ?[/quote]

That's not the kind of man that can sit in on something like that and not be active. Not his style.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;803148]What if he was just there holding a clipboard ? Or catching up on The Office ? Or playing Mortal Kombat on XBox Live ? Or just there to watch, not to talk ot to make a trade or to even select a player. IF he was there it would mean that much to you ?[/quote]

It is because that he was the wannabe-CEO of football operations for a decade who was rather incompetent at human resources and at following the adage of "buy low, sell high". He maybe a fine marketer, but I wouldn't want him as a stock broker or the guy leading the draft day war room because he would misrate the asset and sell me shit...and I would fall for it.

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As I've heard it, Snyder like many, many other owners sits in the war room all weekend long. And that's really all he does, just sits there.

And I know everyone wants Snyder to be completely out of the loop on all football related matters. Not me, he doesn't need to be making the decisions but he has to be aware of what's being discussed and what's going on in my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;803216]As I've heard it, Snyder like many, many other owners sits in the war room all weekend long. And that's really all he does, just sits there.

And [B][SIZE=4]I know everyone wants Snyder to be completely out of the loop[/SIZE][/B] on all football related matters. Not me, he doesn't need to be making the decisions but he has to be aware of what's being discussed and what's going on in my opinion.[/quote]

YOU are correct.
The dude owns the team and has ALL the skin on the table......
He deserves to have a little fun time with his investment.

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[quote=SmootSmack;803216]As I've heard it, Snyder like many, many other owners sits in the war room all weekend long. And that's really all he does, just sits there.

And I know everyone wants Snyder to be completely out of the loop on all football related matters. Not me, he doesn't need to be making the decisions but he has to be aware of what's being discussed and what's going on in my opinion.[/quote]

I call it the Ovechkin rule as it's basically the policy followed by Leonis. The coach and GM take care of 99% of all transactions on their own with virtually no oversight from the owner, however at the same time they get the owner to oversee and sign off on the really big acquisitions or decisions. So Snyder would be more involved in say releasing Haynesworth and McNabb rather then something big but smaller like drafting Kerrigan. Best you can hope for is not having Snyder go all Bud Adams on you and forcing you to not only draft a QB you don't want but playing him.

Different then what you're saying of course but this is how I want Snyder involved

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[quote=SmootSmack;803216][B]As I've heard it, Snyder like many, many other owners sits in the war room all weekend long. And that's really all he does, just sits there. [/B]

And I know everyone wants Snyder to be completely out of the loop on all football related matters. Not me, he doesn't need to be making the decisions but he has to be aware of what's being discussed and what's going on in my opinion.[/quote]

You mean since 2010 or 2000? And how does it compare to owner Jerry Jones role in the war room. Please respond with a 5,000 word essay that doesn't employ fluff and cites sources in APA format.

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[quote=Hog1;803227]YOU are correct.
The dude owns the team and has ALL the skin on the table......
He deserves to have a little fun time with his investment.[/quote]

He's had enough fun at the expense of our franchise. That idiot can watch the NFL draft just like everybody else. He's proven that his football decisions are absolutely horrible and needs to stay the **** away from making any. Stick to suing and bullying local reporters.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;803230]You mean since 2010 or 2000? And how does it compare to owner Jerry Jones role in the war room. Please respond with a 5,000 word essay that doesn't employ fluff and cites sources in APA format.[/quote]

How about 140 characters

Been that way for as long as I can recall. Jones is the GM so he's more involved. Snyder is more like Kraft in the war room. Sit and listen


But anyway, this isn't/shouldn't be about Snyder. It's about someone making a false statement and too many other people running with it

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[quote=NC_Skins;803232]He's had enough fun at the expense of our franchise. That idiot can watch the NFL draft just like everybody else. He's proven that his football decisions are absolutely horrible and needs to stay the **** away from making any. Stick to suing and bullying local reporters.[/quote]
When you own the team, you can make the call. Until that time, guess what...........

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[quote=SmootSmack;803216]As I've heard it, Snyder like many, many other owners sits in the war room all weekend long. And that's really all he does, just sits there.

And I know everyone wants Snyder to be completely out of the loop on all football related matters. Not me, he doesn't need to be making the decisions but he has to be aware of what's being discussed and what's going on in my opinion.[/quote]

Not me either. He should have a relationship with the football ops guys like a CEO has with the President of the Board of Directors. Let the CEO manage, but do enought to keep that CEO in line.

Lenosis' approach is borderline crazy if he didn't have Ovechkin.

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Just curious, was Jack Kent Cooke ever in the War Room on draft day? Seems like to me he wouldn't be the type that would be interested -- probably just told Beathard, Casserly and Gibbs to go have their fun while he went off to earn another billion or two.

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[quote=Beemnseven;803363]Just curious, was Jack Kent Cooke ever in the War Room on draft day? Seems like to me he wouldn't be the type that would be interested -- probably just told Beathard, Casserly and Gibbs to go have their fun while he went off to earn another billion or two.[/quote]

It's not like he wasn't involved, even if he wasn't physically in the room (which I don't believe he was, though I've heard he wasn't)

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/battle_scars_a6IFZr2hjrnoBV9nnK2fiJ]A look inside draft war rooms - NYPOST.com[/url]

[quote]Draft Day, 1991: The Cowboys, picking 12th, were staring at wide receiver Alvin Harper.
"I never wanted to draft a receiver up high," former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson recalled.
So Johnson began working the phones, and became concerned when a deal to swap picks with Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, at 17, appeared in jeopardy.
"Joe," Johnson said, "you agreed to it, our guys are ready to make the trade." Johnson remembers Gibbs, in a low voice, telling him, "Jimmy, I'm sorry, but the old man [owner Jack Kent Cooke] turned me down."
Johnson had one minute left to find a trade partner. He wound up drafting Harper[/quote]

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[quote=Beemnseven;803363]Just curious, was Jack Kent Cooke ever in the War Room on draft day? Seems like to me he wouldn't be the type that would be interested -- probably just told Beathard, Casserly and Gibbs to go have their fun while he went off to earn another billion or two.[/quote]

Nah, he'd rather go on his honeymoon then sit in a "War" room.

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[quote=firstdown;802981]The article makes it sound like we dumped on Kerrigan and only picked him because we could not trade back. I see the move as a way to pick up the much needed draft picks then a hit on Kerrigan.[/quote]

ah, hello, the story is not true, more BS from idiots who like to dump on the Redskins and come out looking like Morons and point the finger at others when its not true.