Hunter Smith On Difference Between Redskins And Colts
 

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Hunter Smith on the Lavar and Dukes show yesterday. Great interview and gives you a good idea on what the locker room has been like the past few years.

Before you start in on a "he's bitter idiot that couldn't punt" posts, Hunter has said his time ended here because he didn't perform on the field and he's not trashing the team.

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Good stuff, though I wish he had spoken more about the difference between what he saw under Cerrato/Zorn to Allen/Shanahan

Interesting that he credited ownership and management for recognizing talent to win the Super Bowl (according to Hunter)..it's what Vinny said all along!

But he's right that it's more than just talent, without any chemistry talent doesn't matter.

I do sense that the culture is changing though from the dark years of Vinny and Jimmy.

This isn't really even knew though, even back in the 80s there were similar observations, according to some former players I've talked to.

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I liked HS but sense he is talking a little trash he gets the butter finger award today.

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LaVar Arrington is like thermite is to combustion. Since he left here as a player he has taken every conceivable opportunity to jab the organization, or echo anyone he can coerce into doing likewise. It's plain to feel his energy radiate throughout the interview.

Smith appears to be a stand up guy that did his best with pointed questions. Not much room for fault in his evaluation based on the short time he was here. Me-guys and we-guys in comparison, there's probably room for a little more detail on that one.

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Classless b*...oh wait.


Hmmm, Mr Tryon went from the Redskins TO the Colts.
Mr Smith went from the Colts to the Redskins.
BOTH noted the difference in how they approach their job.

Folks, this may not be a true peer review, but it's two independent mouths talking here. Maybe that culture thing Willie Parker was talking about wasn't so ridiculous after all.

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Hunter also talked about how the Colts were a total mess in the transition from Mora to Dungy. It's all about stability. Hopefully we have that now

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Lol, "exiled". Funny choice of words.

Carlos is sooooo on the "me" list.

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Usually it's pretty easy to discount a former player interviews as vindictive rambles, not this one. I thought Hunter came off sincerer and spot on.

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[quote=Longtimefan;803826]LaVar Arrington is like thermite is to combustion. Since he left here as a player he has taken every conceivable opportunity to jab the organization, or echo anyone he can coerce into doing likewise. It's plain to feel his energy radiate throughout the interview.

Smith appears to be a stand up guy that did his best with pointed questions. Not much room for fault in his evaluation based on the short time he was here. Me-guys and we-guys in comparison, there's probably room for a little more detail on that one.[/quote]

Arrington and everyone else that have left here always say the same thing. I still find it hard to believe that some fans think they are bitter, or giving a line of shit because they got dumped or traded. Its the same thing going back to Mitchell, Bailey, Davis... This organization has been run like a clueless bunch of clowns. Trashes its core players, overpays for big names, and alienates its current roster. People come here to get paid, basically that is it. And it appears we are going to do the same thing this year when the CBA is signed.

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[quote=#56fanatic;803896]Arrington and everyone else that have left here always say the same thing. I still find it hard to believe that some fans think they are bitter, or giving a line of shit because they got dumped or traded. Its the same thing going back to Mitchell, Bailey, Davis... This organization has been run like a clueless bunch of clowns. Trashes its core players, overpays for big names, and alienates its current roster. People come here to get paid, basically that is it. And it appears we are going to do the same thing this year when the CBA is signed.[/quote]

So basically, you think it is SOS in Skinsville? Nothing has changed with the advent of the MS/BA regime? This year we will jump at the chance to stockpile a few.....NO-playin' Alberts at 40m per?

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First, yes too many players have said it and it's a culture that needs to change and I believe that it is (though after a couple of decades it may take a while). Second, it's not every player. Third, some of these guys who talk need to take a hard look in the mirror.

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[quote=Hog1;803899]So basically, you think it is SOS in Skinsville? Nothing has changed with the advent of the MS/BA regime? This year we will jump at the chance to stockpile a few.....NO-playin' Alberts at 40m per?[/quote]

Skinsville is what it is, and it has been for the better part of 10-12 years. Every year, every new coach "things are going to be different, we going to do it the right way...blah blah" Honestly, has anything changed regardless of who the coach is?? No, its been the same no matter who was there. Except for Marty. He didn't do what was the norm and got fired after 1 year. Even Joe was sucked into the madness when he was there. SPending money, throwing away picks.

Now, this offseason the only difference is going to be we actually drafted 12 players. We are going to go out and spend money, like always. I guess the only thing that is of any consulation is it wont be Vinny saying we need this guy or that guy. Hopefully Bruce will have some pull into getting the RIGHT players and not all on Shanny. Shanny doesnt have the greatest reputation of building a team. When he took over the GM position in Denver, they steadily went down hill.

Its not all doom and gloom, but every year its the same BS. And every year I get blasted for being realistic. We can't talk or expect anything different from this team until it is consistantly winning, consistantly doing things the right way. 1 year of actually utilizing the draft doesn't mean that is the norm. 11 years of shitting on the draft and wasting money, that is the norm. I look for this year to be a rebuilding year. (Which I am actually excited about) probably not a 500 team, probably one of the worst actually. What needs to happen though is give Bruce and Shanahan 4 years to get the ship righted. WE can't throw him to the curb and bruce to the curb after two years. Just like evey other coach, except Joe.

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[quote=#56fanatic;803909]Skinsville is what it is, and it has been for the better part of 10-12 years. Every year, every new coach "things are going to be different, we going to do it the right way...blah blah" Honestly, has anything changed regardless of who the coach is?? No, its been the same no matter who was there. Except for Marty. He didn't do what was the norm and got fired after 1 year. Even Joe was sucked into the madness when he was there. SPending money, throwing away picks.

Now, this offseason the only difference is going to be we actually drafted 12 players. We are going to go out and spend money, like always. I guess the only thing that is of any consulation is it wont be Vinny saying we need this guy or that guy. Hopefully Bruce will have some pull into getting the RIGHT players and not all on Shanny. Shanny doesnt have the greatest reputation of building a team. When he took over the GM position in Denver, they steadily went down hill.

Its [B]not all doom and gloom[/B], but every year its the same BS. And every year I get blasted for being realistic. We can't talk or expect anything different from this team until it is consistantly winning, consistantly doing things the right way. 1 year of actually utilizing the draft doesn't mean that is the norm. 11 years of shitting on the draft and wasting money, that is the norm. I look for this year to be a rebuilding year. (Which I am actually excited about) probably not a 500 team, probably one of the worst actually. What needs to happen though is [B]give Bruce and Shanahan 4 years to get the ship righted. WE can't throw him to the curb and bruce to the curb after two years[/B]. Just like evey other coach, except Joe.[/quote]

Are YOU not the person painting the team with the heavy handed brush of doom and gloom?
"More of the same when the CBA is signed"?
Honestly, if I believed what you are suggesting, I would.....find something ELSE enjoyable to do.........

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[quote=Hog1;803916]Are YOU not the person painting the team with the heavy handed brush of doom and gloom?
"More of the same when the CBA is signed"?
Honestly, if I believed what you are suggesting, I would.....find something ELSE enjoyable to do.........[/quote]

People crack me up. I say the obvious of what has happened here for the last 10 plus years, and now all of the sudden my passion and love for the team is in question. Never say anything negative about redskins nation...

Its not about believing or not believing. That is what has happened. I hope every year that it is different. And for many years I would believe the "this year its going to be different", but it hasn't. I love my Redskins more than the next guy, and am cheering, cursing, hollaring every sunday from the start to the end of the game. Just because I state the obvious doesn't mean I should find something else to do, nor do I want to find something else to do. I just dont buy into the hype every year because every year its been the same ole crap.

that said, I hope this year is different.

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Maybe you could point out that part where I questioned your...Redskin...hood and provided the subsequent amusement???
To cut to the chase, review your own posts and you will soon see you have basically condemned the Skins (including this year, although you do waffle) to NFL purgatory...forever?
I basically do not disagree with much of what you say regarding years that have gone by nor do I believe the SKins will be a contender this year or next for that matter....so much for Kool aid consumption.
[B]NOTE:[/B] I do expect them to do so under the current regime.
Where I do differ is that there appears to be much to be positive about this year and if the start of this year is any indicator, for years to come with MS/BA. Time will certainly tell. Just stating the obvious.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;803847]Classless b*...oh wait.


Hmmm, Mr Tryon went from the Redskins TO the Colts.
Mr Smith went from the Colts to the Redskins.
BOTH noted the difference in how they approach their job.

Folks, this may not be a true peer review, but it's two independent mouths talking here. Maybe that culture thing Willie Parker was talking about wasn't so ridiculous after all.[/quote]

Agreed. Theres something up with this team to have talent like we do, and coaches like we do, to play awful year after year

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[quote=Hog1;803928]Maybe you could point out that part where I questioned your...Redskin...hood and provided the subsequent amusement???
To cut to the chase, review your own posts and you will soon see you have basically condemned the Skins (including this year, although you do waffle) to NFL purgatory...forever?
I basically do not disagree with much of what you say regarding years that have gone by nor do I believe the SKins will be a contender this year or next for that matter....so much for Kool aid consumption.
[B]NOTE:[/B] I do expect them to do so under the current regime.
Where I do differ is that there appears to be much to be positive about this year and if the start of this year is any indicator, for years to come with MS/BA. Time will certainly tell. Just stating the obvious.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm with Hog with this one. I understand where you're coming from Fanatic but, your point of view on this upcoming season sounds like you've already seen it before. We drafted 12 players, Beck may be starting QB. I've NEVER seen redskins draft so purposefully before; at least that's different, get an influx of new blood in the locker room, with that said, obviously we won't be contenders but HS did say he sensed a culture shift towards the end of his time....lets hope he was right.

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[B]Allen clarifies 'aggressive' free agency remarks[/B]

Asked if he could assure Redskins fans that this would not mean a return to the way the team has operated in the past, trying to buy a championship and ending up with teams that were old, expensive and without
much success, Allen emphatically said: “No, we’ve dealt with that.”

“I think the draft is our statement of our game plan,” Allen said. “We added 12 players who are going to infuse youth into every position on our team.”

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/05/21/11/Allen-clarifies-aggressive-free-agency-r/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=526709&feedID=272]Allen clarifies 'aggressive' free agency remarks[/url]

Words I love to hear

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[quote=Hog1;804022][B]Allen clarifies 'aggressive' free agency remarks[/B]

Asked if he could assure Redskins fans that this would not mean a return to the way the team has operated in the past, trying to buy a championship and ending up with teams that were old, expensive and without
much success, Allen emphatically said: “No, we’ve dealt with that.”

“I think the draft is our statement of our game plan,” Allen said. “We added 12 players who are going to infuse youth into every position on our team.”

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/05/21/11/Allen-clarifies-aggressive-free-agency-r/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=526709&feedID=272]Allen clarifies 'aggressive' free agency remarks[/url]

Words I love to hear[/quote]

That means we're going after Nnamdi lol

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Colts have possibly closed their window with average drafting the last few years. I mean Anthony Gonzalez in the first round?

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Can't really disagree with him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;803826]LaVar Arrington is like thermite is to combustion. Since he left here as a player he has taken every conceivable opportunity to jab the organization, or echo anyone he can coerce into doing likewise. It's plain to feel his energy radiate throughout the interview.

Smith appears to be a stand up guy that did his best with pointed questions. Not much room for fault in his evaluation based on the short time he was here. Me-guys and we-guys in comparison, there's probably room for a little more detail on that one.[/quote]

Then why is it that the Redskins haven't had any kind of success in the last 10-15 years? some of what he is saying must be true

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I once asked Charles Mann...hold on, while GTripp picks up the name I just dropped...back in the mid 90s "Charles, what was it like playing for two of the best teams of the past 15 years?" Granted, he was with the 49ers for only year (1994)

"Night and day...night and day. 49ers facilities were a 100% times better. Families were better taken care of by the organization. There was more structure in the administration. Players held each other accountable. No comparing playing for the Redskins and 49ers"

"But you won 3 rings with the Skins?"

"And I loved it. And I love Joe Gibbs. But if we had what the Niners had we would have won at least 2 more"

So it's interesting that this has been said even back then. That said though, Mann is one of the most straight laced guys I know

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[quote=SmootSmack;804134]I once asked Charles Mann...hold on, while GTripp picks up the name I just dropped...back in the mid 90s "Charles, what was it like playing for two of the best teams of the past 15 years?" Granted, he was with the 49ers for only year (1994)

"Night and day...night and day. 49ers facilities were a 100% times better. Families were better taken care of by the organization. There was more structure in the administration. Players held each other accountable. No comparing playing for the Redskins and 49ers"

"But you won 3 rings with the Skins?"

"And I loved it. And I love Joe Gibbs. But if we had what the Niners had we would have won at least 2 more"

So it's interesting that this has been said even back then. That said though, Mann is one of the most straight laced guys I know[/quote]

In that case, I hope MS has brought ALL his SF training to DC!
..........Love Charles Mann. Big hero when I was a young lad

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[quote=IRISHSKIN24;803971]Yeah, I'm with Hog with this one. I understand where you're coming from Fanatic but, your point of view on this upcoming season sounds like you've already seen it before. We drafted 12 players, Beck may be starting QB. I've NEVER seen redskins draft so purposefully before; at least that's different, get an influx of new blood in the locker room, with that said, obviously we won't be contenders but HS did say he sensed a culture shift towards the end of his time....lets hope he was right.[/quote]


Yes we did do an actual draft this year. Had 12 picks, which is OUT OF THE NORM for this organization. I am not dooming and glooming this team. It is a fact that this team poo poo's on the draft. Just like you said you have NEVER seen them draft with a purpose like this before. Basically what I am saying is, I want to hold judgement on this "new" way of doing things and wait to see if this (which is what I have been screaming for for the last 6 years) will become the normal offseason for us, or will this be scrapped in two years and start over again, which is what has been normal for this team. We have said every time a new coach comes in here, its a culture change from Marty, to Steve, to Joe and to Zorn.

I honestly hope this year is different. I am not going to base our success on wins and losses. I want to see development of our young guys, and some guys step up and take positions and put their footprints on this team. With that said, I think we have enough talent on this team to compete with a lot of the NFC teams this year. Only one position is the questions mark, as is most every year in DC, the QB.

I honestly think that Shanny will try and work out a trade or sign a FA veteran to put some wins up this year. Hasselback, Bulger, or Palmer (for picks) stand out to me. Which isn't a bad idea for Shanny. I think there is a ton of pressure on him this year even though the "rebuild" word is being tossed around. I think he has to be .500 or a game better to show progress in Danny's eyes. I just dont see him being patient, especially if we only win a few games. (which why the hell are we suppose to be the worst team in the NFL next year)

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You've got to wonder if there's a big of a chicken/egg thing here. The Colts have been one of the most successful organizations in the NFL over the past decade. Such success would breed good morale and positive attitudes.