Moss WANTS to be a Redskin
 

Yes someone actually wants to be a Skin.

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I'd welcome Santana back with open arms.

Can't wait to see him burn Rogers ring-of-horror style.

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I don't know. I like Moss but part of me would rather give the young guns a shot. Kelly, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Aldridge, Paul, and even Banks. Then again lockout means less time for receivers to learn the system which puts a priority on veterans.

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I think at wide receiver, you need to have at least one reliable weapon. I love most of the rookies and young guys (I'm not wild on Kelly, but who knows, maybe he can shock the world and not pull a hamstring walking down the street), but you don't want to have a team with just young guys, especially not when the quarterback situation is in flux.

So bringing back Moss and at least having him might help guys like Hankerson and Armstrong have sucess and continue to have success, because you're not putting the weight of the world on their shoulders. We know he can still be productive, and plus, now the weight of the offense isn't all on HIS shoulders.

I think even the young football teams need to have vets in the mix.

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I absolutely want him back, but I'd also like to see us be able to develop other guys to be the 1 and 2, and ease Moss into more of a #3 slot position. He can still deliver though

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I say definitely bring back Santana - a proven producer who can mentor the young bucks. Given the frequency of 3 wide sets, there should be time on the field to groom the youngsters, especially if Santana plays in the slot.

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With the lockout playing the factor I say pick him up.

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I would keep Moss.
Way too much downside to let him escape.

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Bringing him back is a no brainer to me. He knows the system and is still a productive player. Get it done.

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I want him as a slot receiver...let him be our Wes Welker. As a #1 receiver, he doesn't cut it. They young guys need to get looks, especially Anthony and Austin.

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There's not much of a downside at all to keeping Moss around. He'd be one of the top 3 or 4 slot receivers in the game, he's still rabbit quick even if he doesn't have deep burner speed anymore. Hank and Armstrong on the outside, Moss on the inside would give us our best corp in a very long time.

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Moss brings it every night. He is a selfless player in an age of selfish players. Hail Santana!

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My main concern is putting one or two of the three receivers we picked in the draft on our practice squad and loosing them before getting an idea of what we might have.

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I would keep him if the lockout drags on too long, which it probably will. And as long as its not too much money and any more than like a 2-3 year deal.

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I say bring him back. He was content playing in the slot last year so that works with the young guys coming up. He's not a Top Tier #1 but the guy is F'n solid !

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[quote=Dirtbag59;805282]My main concern is putting one or two of the three receivers we picked in the draft and loosing them off our practie squad before getting an idea of what we might have.[/quote]

I think the roster for wide receivers probably will be Santana Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin and Aldrick Robinson.

Roydell Williams is gone. I really think that, unless Malcolm Kelly has a phenomenal offseason, he'll be gone too, possibly even if he stays healthy. Mike likes his receivers to be able to play special teams as well, and Kelly's proven to fragile to do that. And with Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson being able to return kicks, Banks is at a disadvantage unless he proves he can make a big time impact as a receiver.

It's more nerve racking to me that Armstrong could end up being our only "veteran" receiver. That's putting a lot of pressure on all the rookies to step up and play right away, and they'll be under an intense microscope. Shanahan likes his players to be versatile, which is why guys like Niles Paul and Aldrick have a pretty solid chance of making the team, where as some of the other guys have less of a chance.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;805257]Yes someone actually wants to be a Skin.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2011/06/01/santana-moss-wants-to-be-a-redskin/"]Santana Moss wants to be a Redskin « DC Pro Sports Report[/URL]

[B][SIZE=4]I'd welcome Santana back with open arms.[/SIZE][/B]

Can't wait to see him burn Rogers ring-of-horror style.[/quote]

LOVE Santana....we need him.

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Cheap contract for one year, or no cigar for Moss. Better to let them go one year too soon than one year too late.

Also, LOL at the "Niles Paula" typo in the article.

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[quote=NLC1054;805289]I think the roster for wide receivers probably will be Santana Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin and Aldrick Robinson.

Roydell Williams is gone. I really think that, unless Malcolm Kelly has a phenomenal offseason, he'll be gone too, possibly even if he stays healthy. Mike likes his receivers to be able to play special teams as well, and Kelly's proven to fragile to do that. And with Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson being able to return kicks, Banks is at a disadvantage unless he proves he can make a big time impact as a receiver.

It's more nerve racking to me that Armstrong could end up being our only "veteran" receiver. That's putting a lot of pressure on all the rookies to step up and play right away, and they'll be under an intense microscope. Shanahan likes his players to be versatile, which is why guys like Niles Paul and Aldrick have a pretty solid chance of making the team, where as some of the other guys have less of a chance.[/quote]

What about Banks though? We'll already be pushing the roster limit with 6, and it seems that sixth spot is reserved for Banks. Kelly I personally don't want but everything we've heard has said that the job could be his to loose if he's healthy, which in Kelly's case is a big if.

Either way from from what I've seen Armstrong already has that box out, jump ball thing down, and Hankerson is also suppose to provide that possession presence so why people are so high on Kelly is beyond me but the coaching staff seems to like him.

Also, tidbit thats gone overlooked is Armstrong's reaction to us drafting 3 receivers.
[quote]"When they drafted three I was like, 'What the hell?'?" said Armstrong, who caught 44 passes and averaged 19.8 yards a catch in his first season. "I was mad. I was like, 'Shoot, what are you trying to say?' Why did you draft three? Don't you have faith in me?"
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But in the end that veteran factor is going to be amplified this offseason when it comes to assigning a value to players so regardless of what I think the likely outcome is Moss will stay. Personally the only thing that scares me about Moss is he reminds me of a basketball player that gets 20 PPG but has a terrible FG%.

In the case of Moss we have an 1,100 yard receiver with a 12 ypc average. Though by the same token Moss is a hard worker thats not yelling at people to get him the ball.

Anyway welcome to the forum NLC, or should I say Clu? lol.

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Moss seems like a guy who can remain quietly effective (at a sub-800 yard level) right into his mid thirties. I just don't think it makes a lick of sense to bring him back here.

Like I said many times this, if we can't develop three other guys who are as effective or are more effective than Santana Moss, we're going to be in trouble anyway. If it gets worse without him for a year, I think that's a small price to pay. But others see this a lot differently than I do.

He's one of the better FAs available though, perhaps top after Malcom Floyd (ignoring the players with five or fewer years of service time).

I would just ask the people who see Moss as our slot receiver of the future to consider just how much would have to go wrong for us to not be able to replace Moss' production out of the slot. Kelly would have to get hurt again, and even then, Niles Paul or Aldrick Robinson profiles really well in that role. Armstrong could even move into the slot in third down situations. Brandon Banks is probably a downgrade in the slot over anyone, but again, at the point where Banks is seeing significant snaps out of the slot, so much has already gone wrong that having Moss would hardly have made a difference.

Replacing the slot receiver in pro football is even easier than replacing the kicker. Everyone on your roster at the WR or TE position (and even some RBs) can play the slot.

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Where did this notion that Santana only plays in the slot (or only plays well in the slot) come from?

Kyle lined him up everywhere last season. In the slot, outside, split end, flanker. They moved Santana around a lot.

You look at Andre Johnson, and he never just lines up in one place. None of the wide receivers in this offense do or did either (except maybe Roydell, but he sucks). You don't get 93 receptions [i]only[/i] playing in the slot. Moss plays all over the place, which I think what makes him invaluable.

It's not that I think the rookies can't come in and have success. I think Terrence Austin could be a good slot receiver. But it's all about versatility with Mike Shanahan. He wants his guys to be able to play multiple positions and multiple places.

That's one of the things that propelled Armstrong over Devin Thomas last year; Armstrong could really play everywhere you wanted to, and Devin...well...Devin was Devin.

And Dirtbag (hey, it's that guy from YouTube, lol), I like Banks, but again; it's the versatility. If the kick off rules really are as big an issue as it seems that might be, that limits his effectiveness. Banks has to prove that he can be a potential every down player. He's a tough guy, he's willing to go over the middle, he's got blazing speed (still can't believe McNabb OVERTHREW HIM in the Indy game), but he has to have a major development at the wide receiver position to stay on the team.

He's really at a disadvantage because both Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson can return kicks, play wide receiver, and play special teams. And his durability (while I think it's a bit overblown) is still a concern.

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I don't think anyone is saying Moss only plays in the slot, just that long term he's probably best used primarily in the slot.

I think Banks is definitely on the bubble

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[quote=NLC1054;805314]Where did this notion that Santana only plays in the slot (or only plays well in the slot) come from?

Kyle lined him up everywhere last season. In the slot, outside, split end, flanker. They moved Santana around a lot.

You look at Andre Johnson, and he never just lines up in one place. None of the wide receivers in this offense do or did either (except maybe Roydell, but he sucks). You don't get 93 receptions [i]only[/i] playing in the slot. Moss plays all over the place, which I think what makes him invaluable.

It's not that I think the rookies can't come in and have success. I think Terrence Austin could be a good slot receiver. But it's all about versatility with Mike Shanahan. He wants his guys to be able to play multiple positions and multiple places.

That's one of the things that propelled Armstrong over Devin Thomas last year; Armstrong could really play everywhere you wanted to, and Devin...well...Devin was Devin.

And Dirtbag (hey, it's that guy from YouTube, lol), I like Banks, but again; it's the versatility. If the kick off rules really are as big an issue as it seems that might be, that limits his effectiveness. Banks has to prove that he can be a potential every down player. He's a tough guy, he's willing to go over the middle, he's got blazing speed (still can't believe McNabb OVERTHREW HIM in the Indy game), but he has to have a major development at the wide receiver position to stay on the team.

He's really at a disadvantage because both Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson can return kicks, play wide receiver, and play special teams. And his durability (while I think it's a bit overblown) is still a concern.[/quote]The argument against paying Moss to play on the outside is a lot easier, I think. And I think Moss' true value is his Patriots-style versatility. Moss can be a match-up nightmare, if surrounded by better weapons. That may require a change of scenery for him.

I'm just saying that the most common argument for extending Moss is that he can just take a higher percentage of snaps out of the slot as his ability to beat no. 2 corners leaves him (he hasn't been able to beat elite corners in years). But I'm pointing out that moving on is the best option for building a receiving corps because Moss as a slot guy is just blocking a younger guy from the exact same role.

And really, if getting rid of Moss means that Hankerson plays 90% of the snaps this year instead of 55%, I just don't see why this would be a bad outcome for a 2011 Redskins team that is going to finish with a losing record. Don't fear the future.

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I might agree with you if I believed the person who would play in Moss' slot (no pun intended) would be a young receiver. But I fear that it would be a stopgap veteran (see: Galloway 2010)

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[quote=SmootSmack;805319]I might agree with you if I believed the person who would play in Moss' slot (no pun intended) would be a young receiver. But I fear that it would be a stopgap veteran (see: Galloway 2010)[/quote]That wouldn't make the decision to let Moss test the market a bad one though. It would just open the door for a nonsensical and unnecessary veteran signing.

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why did he opt out of his old deal? I feel like he won't make as much being that he is a small 32 year old receiver....which was torrey holt's last good year.

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[quote=skinster;805322]why did he opt out of his old deal? I feel like he won't make as much being that he is a small 32 year old receiver....which was torrey holt's last good year.[/quote]

He didn't opt out, his contract just expired.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;805291]Cheap contract for one year, or no cigar for Moss. Better to let them go one year too soon than one year too late.

Also, [B]LOL at the "Niles Paula" typo in the article[/B].[/quote]

It's not the only typo in that article... FD must be their proofreader :)

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Moss can still be productive, his status however means at what cost. There will be a plan for the influx of youth now at the position. The lack of an agreement leave so much unknown about what we really have....I would welcome Moss back.

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I know I"m going to get railed for this but I'll be glad when Moss is out of here. He's one of the last pieces of this organization that needs to go. I will NEVER forgive him for that game in Seattle. He just quit as he's done on numerous occasions. He's cost us more games than he's won for us. Sure, he gave us the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas, but he also gave us this.

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That said, I'd sign him to a 1-2 year contract and move him to the slot until he can be replaced.


[quote=Dirtbag59;805294]What about Banks though? We'll already be pushing the roster limit with 6, and it seems that sixth spot is reserved for Banks. [/quote]

I don't see Banks making the cut. The WRs that were drafted this off-season all have return experience. If that isn't writing on the wall then I don't know what is. I"m quite positive Banks is one of those "club" guys that Willie Parker was referring to as well. Banks doesn't really bring anything to the table at the WR spot. (at least Cribbs and Hester do)

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Cherry picking again I see.

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[quote=Mattyk;805351]Cherry picking again I see.[/quote]


Well, I admitted that Portis only seemed to stop caring or quit these past two years. Up until that point he ran hard. Moss on the other hand has been a liability from the get go. Dropped passes in crucial moments, fumbles, and out right quitting on plays. One of the biggest games of his career and he quits? Really? I recognize he's made plays for us and basically has been the only receiver we've had since....well since forever. It still doesn't change how I see this guy.

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A few plays doesn't sum up his body of work here.

Fact is he's been one of our more productive players for quite a while.

His career numbers as a Skin: 442 catches, 6142 yards, 34 TDs

Bottom line, is anyone else currently on the roster ready to step up and fill his shoes? Doubt it.

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[quote=Mattyk;805354]Bottom line, is anyone else currently on the roster ready to step up and fill his shoes? Doubt it.[/quote]


Which is why I said this.

[quote]That said, I'd sign him to a 1-2 year contract and move him to the slot until he can be replaced.[/quote]

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Yeah he would be a good re-sign as long as the contract makes sense.

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NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video betwee Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara. I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;805362]NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video betwee Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara. I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.[/quote]

Quitting is a huge pet peeve of mine. I couldn't stand Jason Campbell, but the guy played hard. He didn't quit and did the best he could. It's why I can't stand guys like Randy Moss or Albert Haynesworth. Great talents that don't give it their all and quit when things don't go their way. For Santana to quit in the biggest game of his career was pathetic and it killed it for me. I can forgive a fumble, a drop pass, but quitting is where I draw the line. (especially when it costs us a playoff game)

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;805362]NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video betwee Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara. I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=NC_Skins;805365]Quitting is a huge pet peeve of mine. I couldn't stand Jason Campbell, but the guy played hard. He didn't quit and did the best he could. It's why I can't stand guys like Randy Moss or Albert Haynesworth. Great talents that don't give it their all and quit when things don't go their way. For Santana to quit in the biggest game of his career was pathetic and it killed it for me. I can forgive a fumble, a drop pass, but quitting is where I draw the line. (especially when it costs us a playoff game)[/quote]

I understand what you are saying but there is a common theme in a lot of your ideas. It's like listening to the Lavar and Dukes show sometimes, I know if there is a negative, no matter how small it is you will find it and focus solely on that. I could be wrong but that's just how it reads. I'm not saying that you have to feel like all is great but sometimes I wonder why you stick with the swuad at all. You're cool though but I always can guess where you are going to go with something. It's needed though,

Hail !

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;805362][B]NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video between Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara.[/B] I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;805371]I understand what you are saying but there is a common theme in a lot of your ideas. It's like listening to the Lavar and Dukes show sometimes, I know if there is a negative, no matter how small it is you will find it and focus solely on that. I could be wrong but that's just how it reads. I'm not saying that you have to feel like all is great but sometimes I wonder why you stick with the swuad at all. You're cool though but I always can guess where you are going to go with something. It's needed though,

Hail ![/quote]

Apparently you missed the draft threads, or the threads that Dirtbag did breaking down the plays. I think you just focus on the negative things I write instead of the positive. Also, there is a common theme (negative) with the posts because this franchise has been negative for the past decade. It's been blunder after blunder for so long. I've stated time and time again I'm happy with the direction of this franchise at it's current state and hope like hell Snyder stays the **** away to let Bruce and Mike do their thing.

Make no mistake about it, I've been wanting players like MeAngelo, Portis and Moss (and many others) gone for a long time. I think they were also part of the problem and culture that infected this team for quite sometime.