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I was thinking about Donovan McNabb over the weekend, particularly how we got him through trade, and all the hoopla that went with him, fan expectations, etc, and i remember thinking that i might have been one of the few people here who knew that McNabb was shot and was only gonna fail here in the burgandy and gold.

Was Jeff George in 2000/2001 the only other high profile QB that we went after since Snyder has owned the team? George was a big name, he had some success, etc, and it seemed like he could be the QB answer for a few seasons. I read articles about when he was signed back then and it seemed like him and the McNabb situation was almost the same.

Is there anyone on the board who remembers Jeff George's time here? Was the fans excited? Did he bring hope to the team like McNabb did? What was it like with George. From what i could read, it seemed like George played pretty good for us in 2000, but when we got a new coach/offense, he couldn't adapt and really struggled. Again he reminded me of McNabb there.

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Jeff George was a desperation move for us.
I was downright embarrassed that we signed him.
I'm still embarrassed.

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Jeff George...hahahaha

They should make a video of all the dumbasses we've brought in over the years.

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Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.

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I don't remember much about the George situation, but I don't think it is much of a comparison with the McNabb situation. It seems that George was a disaster, whereas the McNabb trade was just a stupid gamble that set our rebuilding back a year (and hopefully that'll be the only setback).

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And then we transitioned to Tony Banks right after George left.
Another embarrassing move.
:Flush:

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Yeah but Banks played better than JG and we managed to go 8-8, that's saying a lot about the coaching job Marty did that year.

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[quote=Mattyk;805836]Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.[/quote]

Don't forget that Johnson went straight to Tampa Bay and promptly won a Super Bowl. Granted that team was more defense than offense, but still.

McNabb and George don't really compare in my mind. George had never done anything meaningful when we brought him in, McNabb on the other hand has a bevy of accomplishments/solid stats as an NFL starter.

Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, Arch Deluxe, Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I think the combination of bringing in George while simultaneously turning a cold shoulder to Brad Johnson was possibly the little man's biggest personnel fail. Johnson wasn't going to be a franchise man for a decade, but he could have stuck around for 3-5 more years for us and been very solid. Better than anything else we've had at QB during Danny's tenure.

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[quote=Mattyk;805836]Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.[/quote]

I was so pissed about that. In Brad Johnson we finally had a capable QB. Instead we dissed him by bringing in Jay Shroeder part 2.

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Jeff George's signing actually was relatively low profile due to the fact that it was in Danny's infamous 2000 fantasy football draft. So many old, big name guys were signed that George's signing wasn't publicly that big a deal as I recall. I thought he was a high priced backup till I learned that Danny supposedly sought Sonny Jurgenson's advice & the latter suggested George would be a better qb than Johnson.

George may have been the straw that broke the camel's back & led us to an 8-8 year w/a huge payroll. What if he was never signed & Johnson was given confidence as starter? Maybe that 2000 season would've lived up to the hype.

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[quote=GMScud;805849]Don't forget that Johnson went straight to Tampa Bay and promptly won a Super Bowl. Granted that team was more defense than offense, but still.

McNabb and George don't really compare in my mind. George had never done anything meaningful when we brought him in, McNabb on the other hand has a bevy of accomplishments/solid stats as an NFL starter.

Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, Arch Deluxe, Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I think the combination of bringing in George while simultaneously turning a cold shoulder to Brad Johnson was possibly the little man's biggest personnel fail. Johnson wasn't going to be a franchise man for a decade, but he could have stuck around for 3-5 more years for us and been very solid. Better than anything else we've had at QB during Danny's tenure.[/quote]

Imagine if he stuck with Marty and Brad how much better we would have been.

We as fans look at those years from a win/loss prospective but I bet if you looked at those years and the buzz that was create with those teams from a dollar sign prospective they were winning seasons in Danny's eyes.

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[quote=GMScud;805849]Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, [B][U]Arch Deluxe[/U][/B], Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I[/quote]

I still think the Arch Deluxe was the biggest fail (behind Haynesworthless). To tell Clark you were done over paying players, and turn around and sign Archuletta to that mega contract was the icing on the cake. Clark wanted peanuts to resign with us. I agree with you that the George move was and has been a horrible move in our history.

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[quote=Lotus;805850]I was so pissed about that. In Brad Johnson we finally had a capable QB. Instead we dissed him by bringing in Jay Shroeder part 2.[/quote]

I'm with you. I was a big Brad Johnson fan, hell the guy threw for 4,000 yards and 24 TDs in 1999, won the division and made the playoffs, and we reward him by bringing in a guy to take his job. :doh:

Only the Redskins could have messed up that situation.

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This a big part of why Dan Snyder no longer wants to be part of the player personnel decision making.
Dan did not land any other big name QB's, but he tried. There were big rumors he tried to get Cutler. BUt chicago surprised everyone with the 2 first rounders and Orton. I am sure Danny was a close second in the bidding war.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805853]I still think the Arch Deluxe was the biggest fail (behind Haynesworthless). To tell Clark you were done over paying players, and turn around and sign Archuletta to that mega contract was the icing on the cake. Clark wanted peanuts to resign with us. I agree with you that the George move was and has been a horrible move in our history.[/quote]

I think Archuleta is the biggest fail. I'm sure his contract doesn't compare to AH, but at least AH had good stats and was dominant in Tennessee before he came to Washington. Archuleta had his best years in '03 and '04; in 2005, his last year in St. Louis, he was good but not great. We let a really good Ryan Clark go, and he went on to have a very good career in Pittsburgh.

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The Jeff George signing was a bigger mess than it ever needed to be. And this was during my peak years with the team (not exactly with the team, but close to them) so I watched this all go down up close and personal.

The first problem was the chaos that was the ownership transition following The Squire's death. If there was some stability in the ownership group, we likely would have been able to lock up Trent Green for a long-term contract. Yet, we couldn't because of the ownership mess..but somehow were able to trade multiple high round picks for Brad Johnson.

Then it was decided, rightly I believe to sign a veteran QB to back up Brad Johnson who had been injury prone with a broken leg, broken thumb, and herniated disc over the course of just two years. Unfortunately, Snyder decided to go after the biggest, most polarizing figure out there in Jeff George. But it was supposed to be a one year deal (two years really, with the team option to get out after one year) that was pretty low in terms of cost. But George's agent played Snyder like the football rookie that he was (as well as Joe Mendes) and convinced the Redskins George's services were in high demand (though they likely never were) and the team had to up its offer. So we ended up with a 4 year $19 million deal for George.

Then, Marty came along and started cutting much of the fat. And he had a QB in mind he wanted to bring on board and that QB also wanted to come to the Redskins (Doug Flutie). But his hands were tied with George's contract, even though they got George to reduce his contract it still wasn't enough. So he thought well maybe this can work out with George, but after two games it was obvious it wouldn't. So he figured well, Tony Banks just got cut he's a veteran than can hold the team together while we develop the QB we just drafted (Sage Rosenfels).

So it was a total mess, but not like McNabb.

To me, Jeff George getting sacked at the end of the 2000 season by Ebenezar Ekuban and then being dragged around on the field while none of his teammates did anything was the perfect metaphor for the culture of the Redskins during that era.

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If he was here for 2 seasons, did he ever show us anything promising that gave anybody any hope?? I mean i watched some clips of him and it looked at least to me like he maybe had the biggest arm in the NFL at that time.

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Check out his stats from the first 2 games of the 2001 season, he was a horrible fit in Marty's offense and he flat out stunk. He played ok in limited action under Norv. He always had a gun, but not much else. He famously once said he felt leadership at QB was overrated. Sums up how he was as a QB.

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I looked at his stats and he did indeed suck in 2001.

I also looked at a list of starting QBs since Snyder has owned the team, and out of about 10 different people, it looked to me that only 3 QB's were actually good here:

Brad Johnson (1999, 2000)
Mark Brunell (2005)
Todd Collins (2007)

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sad thing about looking back at the danny's time here, we're still in much the same boat as we were doing those terrible years when qb was unstable- 2 vet qb's under contract, one highly likely to leave, the other very unproven. And then there's Rex.

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Instability has been the theme here under Snyder. Hard to win when you're always changing QBs and coaches.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;805863]If he was here for 2 seasons, did he ever show us anything promising that gave anybody any hope?? I mean i watched some clips of him and it looked at least to me like he maybe had the biggest arm in the NFL at that time.[/quote]

Jeff George had a million dollar arm and a 10 cent head. I'll never forget JG being dragged around Texas Stadium by a Cowboy and not a single Redskin coming to his rescue. It spoke volumes to me about what his team mates thought of him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;805860]To me, Jeff George getting sacked at the end of the 2000 season by [B]Ebenezar Ekuban[/B] and then being dragged around on the field while none of his teammates did anything was the perfect metaphor for the culture of the Redskins during that era.[/quote]

Hey I went to high school with this guy (completely random and unrelated sidenote).

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[quote=irish;805880]Jeff George had a million dollar arm and a 10 cent head. I'll never forget JG being dragged around Texas Stadium by a Cowboy and not a single Redskin coming to his rescue. It spoke volumes to me about what his team mates thought of him.[/quote]

Does anyone have the video of that?????? I cant find it anywhere!!!!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;805900]Does anyone have the video of that?????? I cant find it anywhere!!!![/quote]

I dont have one but I wish I did. It was one of the funniest things I ever saw in sports.

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[quote=irish;805928]I dont have one but I wish I did. It was one of the funniest things I ever saw in sports.[/quote]

I remember that so well. Spoke volumes about what a mega d-bag JG was. Such a shame, too, because if he had the leadership and attitude he could have been one of the greats. His arm strength and quick release were amazing.

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[quote=Defensewins;805858]This a big part of why Dan Snyder no longer wants to be part of the player personnel decision making.
Dan did not land any other big name QB's, but he tried. There were big rumors he tried to get Cutler. BUt chicago surprised everyone with the 2 first rounders and Orton. I am sure Danny was a close second in the bidding war.[/quote]

Don't be totally sold on the first line of your post. Dan Snyder speaks is like listening to a politician running for office.....take a look at a few of his contradictions......not trying to h/j the thread :cool-smil

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-joe-gibbs-and-being-hands-off/2011/06/03/AGi1ryHH_blog.html]Dan Snyder, Joe Gibbs and being hands-off - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;805853]I still think the Arch Deluxe was the biggest fail (behind Haynesworthless). To tell Clark you were done over paying players, and turn around and sign Archuletta to that mega contract was the icing on the cake. Clark wanted peanuts to resign with us. I agree with you that the George move was and has been a horrible move in our history.[/QUOTE]

But he could workout like no other

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I remember his spectacular performance against the unstoppable RAMS on Monday night. Who were our starting WR's back then? Anyone memorable?

[QUOTE=Shadowbyte;805943]I remember his spectacular performance against the unstoppable RAMS on Monday night. Who were our starting WR's back then? Anyone memorable?[/QUOTE]

Fryar, Connell, Westbrook come to mind... Thrash too. Westbrook was injured for most of that year though. Centers led the team in catches.

I do remember that Rams game and a long TD he threw. Threw it on a line, just perfect.

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[quote=Mattyk;805856]I'm with you. I was a big Brad Johnson fan, hell the guy threw for 4,000 yards and 24 TDs in 1999, won the division and made the playoffs, and we reward him by bringing in a guy to take his job. :doh:

Only the Redskins could have messed up that situation.[/quote]

Seriously, it's amazing how bad we f'd up after the 1999 season. We had the #2 and #3 picks in the upcoming draft, we had just had I think the year before the Saints entire draft... and we were really good in 1999... I mean it's just sad how bad that went.