Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout
 

This one will make you think. Typically, with all this money to burn, we talk about who we're bringing in as free agents. Then, when the team doesn't win, we talk about how the money should have been spent on our own players instead of someone elses useless trash.

LaRon Landry is obvious, because he's got two years left on his rookie deal and seems like the one piece of the team that the Redskins can count on in the future.

But what about a guy like London Fletcher who is 36, sure, but would seem to have two plus years of positive value to an organization, even if he's nearing the end of the line as an every down player? Should he get an extension while we have the money?

Would anyone consider Adam Carriker an extension candidate? He's in the last year of his deal. Anyone want to see more of Chris Horton?

Then there's the Tight End situation. Cooley has only three years left on his deal. Fred Davis hits the market after this year. If one of these guys is the future at the position, maybe a lifetime deal should be in the works. If not, perhaps now is the time to move one or the other.

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Cooley and Landry and keepers. Fred Davis just isn't mature enough to be a top NFL player, even though I think he's got more ability than Cooley. Other than that everyone else is gone...Fletch, Carriker, Horton and so on.

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I would extend Fletch for 3 years at a reasonable price.

Horton, eh - let's see him another year. If we lose out, so be it.

Extend Davis & Cooley, if both are studly, trade one.

I think Carriker came on at the end. I would extend, but maybe I am wrong about him.

Also, let's see who shows up after free agency.

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[quote=skinsfan69;811400]Cooley and Landry and keepers.[B] Fred Davis just isn't mature enough to be a top NFL player[/B], even though I think he's got more ability than Cooley. Other than that everyone else is gone...Fletch, Carriker, Horton and so on.[/quote]

I'm just curious to know what makes you think this?

I think Landry is a keeper. Carriker has played well and I would want to keep him. Fletch could be kept with a reasonable contract. And Cooley has three years...so I would wait another year to decide on him. I think Horton could be a nice backup SS, but I doubt he'd cost a lot of money.

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I want them to expand Fred Davis time. Use two tight ends like the patriots did then trade one of them just like the patriots will haha. But i think there contracts are fine especially Cooley

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I would re-sign Fletcher to a good money 2 year deal, and maybe if he still wants and can play beyond that, give him like an incentive based 1 year deal from then on, etc...

I have always thought that we should trade Cooley for a top draft pick that can be used on an offensive linemen, because I really like Fred Davis and I think he can be the long-term answer here.

I think we are OK at Wide Receiver. Moss being resigned or not is irrelevant to me, because until we can sure up the line and get decent play from the QB, nobody is going to look like a superstar.

We need to spend a little money in Free Agency and pick up another QB, maybe a veteran, in case the Rex/Beck experiment doesnt work out and there is still time to save the season. We can also get maybe a offensive linemen or two.

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i agree but i realized we need to extend fred davis then we can try to trade cooley. I love him but if we can get third to second round pick i would be happy

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[quote=GTripp0012;811397]LaRon Landry is obvious, because he's got two years left on his rookie deal and seems like the one piece of the team that the Redskins can count on in the future.[/quote]

I would NOT extend Laundry until after the end of next year. No way, no how. He's been way to inconsistent up until last year, and even then he got hurt. How about we wait till a player has more than 1 excellent year before we start throwing cash at them.

Cooley is at the back part of his career. I'd trade him and resign Davis.

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Landry has earned an extension, been a starter since his rookie year, shown flashes of dominance and has all around solid. Fletcher I'm on the fence, a short one yes, but no more than 2 yrs. Extending Carriker is probably wise as well, solidify depth on the DL. Fred Davis is going to be looking for starter money so unless we ar looking to sink that much into one position that could be tough.

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Who, exactly, is up for an extension right away?

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I would wait on Landry. I wouldnt extend Cooley, in fact I may look to transition Fred Davis into the spot this year depending on play and extend Davis before the season starts. I would wait on Carriker like Landry until after this season. I would ask Fletch what he wants and then look to make that happen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;811400]Cooley and Landry and keepers. Fred Davis just isn't mature enough to be a top NFL player, even though I think he's got more ability than Cooley. Other than that everyone else is gone...Fletch, Carriker, Horton and so on.[/quote]

I don't know about the whole Davis not being mature thing, he's worked hard this past year or so by reports, worked directly with previous TE coach to improve blocking, etc

If you wanna say it's because he goes clubbing you have to throw quite a few of our other players in the same category

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I'd resign and or trade both Cooley and Davis and keep Logan Paulson. I'd let Moss go. Keep Rhabach at Center. I'd cut Torain and Williams and use the new draft pick. ;o

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[quote=Ruhskins;811405]I'm just curious to know what makes you think this?

[B]I think Landry is a keeper. Carriker has played well and I would want to keep him. Fletch could be kept with a reasonable contract. And Cooley has three years...so I would wait another year to decide on him. I think Horton could be a nice backup SS, but I doubt he'd cost a lot of money[/B].[/quote]

This.

For those down on Landry, yes he has been inconsistent. But he showed signs of maturing last year. And SS's who are better than him do not grow on trees.

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[quote=Ruhskins;811405]I'm just curious to know what makes you think this?

I think Landry is a keeper. Carriker has played well and I would want to keep him. Fletch could be kept with a reasonable contract. And Cooley has three years...so I would wait another year to decide on him. I think Horton could be a nice backup SS, but I doubt he'd cost a lot of money.[/quote]

well we've all heard the reports that we heard when he was coming out of college. late for meetings, doesn't do enough in the classroom. maybe i'm wrong but he didn't push cooley last year for more playing time.

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[quote=SBXVII;811534]I'd resign and or trade both Cooley and Davis and keep Logan Paulson. I'd let Moss go. Keep Rhabach at Center. I'd cut Torain and Williams and use the new draft pick. ;o[/quote]

Go to the corner and think about what you've just done.

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[quote=NC_Skins;811423]I would NOT extend Laundry until after the end of next year. No way, no how. He's been way to inconsistent up until last year, and even then he got hurt. How about we wait till a player has more than 1 excellent year before we start throwing cash at them.

[B]Cooley is at the back part of his career. I'd trade him[/B] and resign Davis.[/quote]

What would you get for him? Pass catching TE isn't exactly a hard position to fill. Davis would probably get more on the open market than Cooley simply cause he's younger and perhaps has more upside.

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[quote=skinsfan69;811536]well we've all heard the reports that we heard when he was coming out of college. late for meetings, doesn't do enough in the classroom. maybe i'm wrong but he didn't push cooley last year for more playing time.[/quote]

Well that was three years ago. I agree that he didn't push Cooley...but I don't see this as a bad thing. I think this is a key year for him, b/c it may determine that the team will keep him and trade Cooley in the future.

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[quote=tryfuhl;811537]Go to the corner and think about what you've just done.[/quote]

LOL. I just think its funny seeing people either wanting to trade Cooley or Davis. For the life of me I can't figure out why we can't keep both? Cooley is a HOFer and there is no reason to let him go, and Davis has (to me) equal talent so there is no reason to get rid of him either. Give them shift work..... every 2 or 3 plays change out, or better yet give each 2 quarters and mix them up.... whoever appears to be having the better day let the finish the 4th quarter.

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I'd prefer to keep Cooley & Davis too. Seems that all we hear every offseason now is this silly trade Cooley talk. He's only 29 and still very productive, no reason why he can't keep playing at a high level for another 4-5 seasons. Keep them both, and find a way to get Davis more involved.

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[quote=SBXVII;811590]LOL. I just think its funny seeing people either wanting to trade Cooley or Davis. For the life of me I can't figure out why we can't keep both? Cooley is a HOFer and there is no reason to let him go, and Davis has (to me) equal talent so there is no reason to get rid of him either. Give them shift work..... every 2 or 3 plays change out, or better yet give each 2 quarters and mix them up.... whoever appears to be having the better day let the finish the 4th quarter.[/quote]

I think that it's quite premature to declare Cooley HOF level, not only that but I'd disagree. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite Redskins ever.

That being said I think that Fred has a lot of ability that he doesn't get to show often enough. Hell even Cooley didn't get the same opportunities in the offense that he had previously. It's more about not really having much need for 2 pass catching TEs unless they want to split Davis or Cooley out wide more frequently. Why waste talent? It's better to get a pick from it rather than not get the potential out of the player.

I'd love to keep both but I'd have to see them utilized a bit more, especially Davis.

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[quote=tryfuhl;811596]I think that it's quite premature to declare Cooley HOF level, not only that but I'd disagree. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite Redskins ever.

That being said I think that Fred has a lot of ability that he doesn't get to show often enough. Hell even Cooley didn't get the same opportunities in the offense that he had previously. It's more about not really having much need for 2 pass catching TEs unless they want to split Davis or Cooley out wide more frequently. Why waste talent? It's better to get a pick from it rather than not get the potential out of the player.

I'd love to keep both but I'd have to see them utilized a bit more, especially Davis.[/quote]

I agree. Cooley up to now is not a HOF'er.
He hasn't even had a single 1000 yard season or much less has he had a 10 TD season.

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[quote=Mattyk;811593]I'd prefer to keep Cooley & Davis too. Seems that all we hear every offseason now is this silly trade Cooley talk. He's only 29 and still very productive, no reason why he can't keep playing at a high level for another 4-5 seasons. Keep them both, and find a way to get Davis more involved.[/quote]Three years in, we've refused to feature both in the same offense. If we're not going to hire an offensive mind that can do with two tight ends what all other teams are doing, and if it's going to be one player burying the other, then just move one now.

I think it's patently ridiculous that no offensive mind has figured out how to use two TEs at the same time to maximize the talent on our roster, but I just don't see it being any different this year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;811423]I would NOT extend Laundry until after the end of next year. No way, no how. He's been way to inconsistent up until last year, and even then he got hurt. [B]How about we wait till a player has more than 1 excellent year before we start throwing cash at them.[/B]

Cooley is at the back part of his career. I'd trade him and resign Davis.[/quote]Would this motto also apply to the unrestricted free agent market?

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[quote=GTripp0012;811599]Three years in, we've refused to feature both in the same offense. If we're not going to hire an offensive mind that can do with two tight ends what all other teams are doing, and if it's going to be one player burying the other, then just move one now.

[B]I think it's patently ridiculous that no offensive mind has figured out how to use two TEs at the same time to maximize the talent on our roster[/B], but I just don't see it being any different this year.[/quote]

Continuing the tradition that our team has developed of not being able to use the players on the roster to the best of their ability.

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[quote=tryfuhl;811596]I think that it's quite premature to declare Cooley HOF level, not only that but I'd disagree. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite Redskins ever.

That being said I think that Fred has a lot of ability that he doesn't get to show often enough. Hell even Cooley didn't get the same opportunities in the offense that he had previously. It's more about not really having much need for 2 pass catching TEs unless they want to split Davis or Cooley out wide more frequently. Why waste talent? It's better to get a pick from it rather than not get the potential out of the player.

I'd love to keep both but I'd have to see them utilized a bit more, especially Davis.[/quote]

I'd keep both and look for the mismatch.

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[quote=SBXVII;811607]I'd keep both and look for the mismatch.[/quote]
If we're willing to do that it's a good idea.

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[quote=Defensewins;811598]I agree. Cooley up to now is not a HOF'er.
He hasn't even had a single 1000 yard season or much less has he had a 10 TD season.[/quote]

There are a lot of TEs in the Hall that didn't put up numbers like that. Those are pretty big single season numbers for a TE.

I'm not saying Cooley is a HOF player, too early to say either way.

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[quote=GTripp0012;811599]Three years in, we've refused to feature both in the same offense. If we're not going to hire an offensive mind that can do with two tight ends what all other teams are doing, and if it's going to be one player burying the other, then just move one now.

I think it's patently ridiculous that no offensive mind has figured out how to use two TEs at the same time to maximize the talent on our roster, but I just don't see it being any different this year.[/quote]

They combined for 98 catches last year. Are there many better duos out there?

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[quote=SBXVII;811534]I Keep Rhabach at Center. [/quote]

Never go full retard. (:

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[quote=wilsowilso;811617]Never go full retard. (:[/quote]

Well I was hoping people would see the sarcasm with that pitch.

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[quote=Mattyk;811616]They combined for 98 catches last year. Are there many better duos out there?[/quote]

maybe we are not looking at this in the same manner, when your tight end is the second most targeted player on the team and your second tight end has just over half the catches as a backup running back and only 1 more than your fullback that's not exactly a duo to me

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[quote=GTripp0012;811599]Three years in, we've refused to feature both in the same offense. If we're not going to hire an offensive mind that can do with two tight ends what all other teams are doing, and if it's going to be one player burying the other, then just move one now.

I think it's patently ridiculous that no offensive mind has figured out how to use two TEs at the same time to maximize the talent on our roster, but I just don't see it being any different this year.[/quote]

I don't know of any team that truly features two TE's. I can only think of NE that use a lot of 2 TE sets. It'd be nice to have them both on the field a little more, especially on 1st down. However in obvious passing situations, I'm not sure having both on the field would work.

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[quote=Mattyk;811593]I'd prefer to keep Cooley & Davis too. Seems that all we hear every offseason now is this silly trade Cooley talk. He's only 29 and still very productive, no reason why he can't keep playing at a high level for another 4-5 seasons. Keep them both, and find a way to get Davis more involved.[/quote]

I agree. Gotta keep Cooley.

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Just because we actually have really good depth at one position is reason to get rid of one of the players? TE is always an area where you can use multiple guys on the field at the same time. Unless some other team makes a big trade offer for a high need area and wants Cooley I see no reason the Redskins should voluntarily try to trade him just for S&G's.

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[quote=tryfuhl;811639]maybe we are not looking at this in the same manner, when your tight end is the second most targeted player on the team and your second tight end has just over half the catches as a backup running back and only 1 more than your fullback that's not exactly a duo to me[/quote]

Whatever you want to call it, I'm sure there aren't many teams out there that got more production last year from their TEs.

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[quote=Mattyk;811616]They combined for 98 catches last year. Are there many better duos out there?[/quote]The Redskins lead the league in passing attempts. Cooley had a bad year overall, but I think he set a career high in receptions (maybe yards too?). It is what it is.

I don't think any team in the NFL is as deep 1-3 as the Redskins at TE, except perhaps the Titans, and they don't really have a clear number one. And the 2 TE formations were clearly up from 2008-2009. Problem is, it's a running formation for this Redskins team. That's not such a bad thing, IMO, but you could do exactly what we currently do with Davis and Logan Paulsen as the top two TEs, and have no production dropoff. Davis just steps into Cooley's role as the focal point of the passing attack, and the no. 2 TE remains largely ignored and gets pulled on third downs.

Which is really the biggest point of all. We could trade one or the other and still have a really good TE situation. But we're missing the obvious opportunity to excel at the position because of some weird ratio of attempts we're trying to have between Cooley and Davis.

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[quote=Mattyk;811669]Whatever you want to call it, I'm sure there aren't many teams out there that got more production last year from their TEs.[/quote]


You can say that for cooley vs most other te duos, doesn't mean that we're utilizing them properly or getting even near the most out of them, it's a waste of talent

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[quote=tryfuhl;811793]You can say that for cooley vs most other te duos, doesn't mean that we're utilizing them properly or getting even near the most out of them, it's a waste of talent[/quote]

Probably just comes down to the coaches trust Cooley more. Davis is known to have some issues regarding work ethic and focus. So if we want to blame anyone blame Davis.

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I'm going to have to stick by the keep both Cooley and Davis train of thought:

A) Like others have said, TE isn't a hard position to fill for a lot of teams, thus, we would not be looking at getting a lot in return for either player.

B) Cooley is much more than just a skilled all-around TE. He's also a good leadership influence on this team. Maybe not a London Fletcher, but it's good to keep guys who have been with the team for 7+ years. Nobody seems to be taking that into their evaluations.

C) There's this thing called depth... just having one good player at a position doesn't always cut it

D) I really like that having both of them lets us exploit mismatches when one matches up better against a secondary than the other.