Twitter burns as Owners ratify
 

Twitter is all a flutter with comments about the ratification by the owners.

MarkMaske MarkMaske
by FO_DougFarrar
Teams will be allowed re-signing own free agents and signing rookies to conditional contracts beginning Sunday or Monday.
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daniel kaplan
dkaplanSBJ daniel kaplan
Pash: we would expect as part of this agreement litigation will be dismissed
1 minute ago

Adam Schefter
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
In email to player reps, NFL demanding that NFLPA re-form as a union and provide evidence by Tuesday, July 26.
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Andrew Brandt
adbrandt Andrew Brandt
2011 League Year -- free agency, trades, etc. -- to hopefully begin midday Wednesday, July 27.
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FO_DougFarrar
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Goodell says per the approval of the NFLPA and recertification, facilities would open Saturday and new league year would start next Wed.

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HOF game is cancelled

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NFLPA Player reps have conference call at 8 pm tonight.

New CBA:
*10 year deal, through 2020 season
*Players receive 48% of revenue in first years of deal
*$120 million salary cap; team minimum is 89% ($106.8M) as long as league spends 99% ($3.8B)
*Veterans earn free agency after 4th season
*4-year rookie contracts, with team option for 5th year
*Lower rookie salaries, with cap on team spending for rookies
*Later training camps, no more full-contact two-a-day practices
*OTAs reduced from 14 to 9

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Owners voted 31-0 in favor of the new CBA with the Oakland Raiders abstaining.

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Tentative NFL Schedule:

Saturday: Waivers begin for 2011 League Year

Sunday: Clubs may begin to sign undrafted rookie free agents

Wednesday: Free agency signing period begins

August 9: Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs

August 11-15: First preseason weekend

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I'll wait until the players ratify to celebrate

De Smith thinks this is a fair deal, not sure the players are totally convinced. Not yet, at least

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Say it ain't so Smoot. Players will catch a shit storm if they hold up this deal any longer I believe. They have to want to get back badly.

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[quote=Mattyk;811895]HOF game is cancelled[/quote]

Is this confirmed?

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[quote=SmootSmack;811904]I'll wait until the players ratify to celebrate

De Smith thinks this is a fair deal, not sure the players are totally convinced. Not yet, at least[/quote]

damn you!!

what do you think are the sticking points?

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[quote=skinsfan69;811910]Is this confirmed?[/quote]

yes goodell just said it at a presser

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[quote=SkinzWin;811906]Say it ain't so Smoot. Players will catch a shit storm if they hold up this deal any longer I believe. They have to want to get back badly.[/quote]

I agree. Enough is enough. The players need to sign the damn thing and put this crap to bed.

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Pressure is on Smith now to convince the players.

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[quote=mlmdub130;811912]yes goodell just said it at a presser[/quote]

wow. what a shame.

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If all that's lost out of this is the HOF game, it's a win for all.

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[quote=Mattyk;811895]HOF game is cancelled[/quote]
I know several people who will be VERY happy (like my wife) to hear this.

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[quote=SmootSmack;811904]I'll wait until the players ratify to celebrate

De Smith thinks this is a fair deal, not sure the players are totally convinced. Not yet, at least[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/21/email-to-nflpa-reps-questions-nfl-procedure-to-end-lockout/]Email to NFLPA* reps is a bucket of cold water | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Strained at the moment....a little more work to be done.

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More details on the agreement here:
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110721_details_of_new_nfl_collective_bargaining_agreement]Details of new NFL collective bargaining agreement - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Good thing that Al Davis put his foot down and abstained. That'll show 'em. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;811904]I'll wait until the players ratify to celebrate

De Smith thinks this is a fair deal, not sure the players are totally convinced. Not yet, at least[/quote]

This is EXACTLY what I am hearing. Smith is now the driving force for a settlement/ratification because there are at least two factions of players who are not yet on board.

Cue Yogi Berra:
[INDENT][B]It ain't over 'til it's over.[/B][/INDENT]

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[quote=SkinzWin;811902]Owners voted 31-0 in favor of the new CBA with the Oakland Raiders abstaining.[/quote]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;811921]This is EXACTLY what I am hearing. Smith is now the driving force for a settlement/ratification because there are at least two factions of players who are not yet on board.
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In this case does a faction equal 1 player because the only two names I've heard opposed are VJax and Mankins.

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Anyone else still on the players' side? I have waffled a bit back and forth but I think these recent shenanigans prove the players are the worse of the two evils in this situation. That's hard to do when your opponent is a bunch of rich entitled multi-millionaires. Good job De Smith...not only did eff this up in the beginning now can't even bring it home. What a useless pile you have proven to be.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;811924]Anyone else still on the players' side? I have waffled a bit back and forth but I think these recent shenanigans prove the players are the worse of the two evils in this situation. That's hard to do when your opponent is a bunch of rich entitled multi-millionaires. Good job De Smith...not only did eff this up in the beginning now can't even bring it home. What a useless pile you have proven to be.[/QUOTE]

The players deserve the chance to review what's on the table. And Smith now has to sell them on it. Did you expect an instant resolution?

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I'm absolutely on the players's side. The owners ratified their own deal, including in it some terms the players had said they would not agree to. Maybe the players will agree to them, but they certainly won't (and shouldn't) approve anything they haven't seen.

Players have been getting information piecemeal, some like what they heard others didn't. Now the players reps are looking over the proposal, and likely won't vote on it tonight. But, as much as all of us wish they would agree to the deal and get on with it, that's not a fair or realistic expectation. They've been locked out for over four months. They have every right not to be pressured into anything.

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There are 32 owners, 1700 players. It makes sense that player ratification may take longer.

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[quote=Mattyk;811927]The players deserve the chance to review what's on the table. And Smith now has to sell them on it. Did you expect an instant resolution?[/quote]

Yes. They hired someone to negotiate a CBA for them. They should rubber stamp it plain and simple or fire Smith. Either they trust him or not. They certainly don't need to come in at the last minute and derail the whole thing. Their asses needed to be involved to be able to say anything in my opinion.

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They hired someone to negotiate a deal... not to negotiate it and then approve it for them in blind faith.

It's not about trust, it's about knowing and understanding what they are signing off on for the next decade.

Rubber stamp a deal of this magnitude?? Wow.

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I probably shouldn't have said Smith thinks it's a fair deal, that's not entirely accurate. My understanding is he thinks it's a better deal than previous proposals. But still there's a ways to go.

They have, I believe, until Tuesday.

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But people seem to be confusing not accepting with rejecting. It's two very different things

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Sorry, but if the players are coming in at this point and crying because they don't know what is in it, that is their own fault. They should have been questioning and demanding better info throughout the process. Mankins had his rep come out and say
[QUOTE]Frank Bauer, Mankins' agent, said, "Are we disappointed there has been no communication? Hugely. He trusted the union and Kessler to fight for Logan Mankins and the other players."

Read more: [url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-07-21/could-players-legal-counsel-jeffrey-kessler-be-holding-up-cba-talks#ixzz1SnGL4NRb]Could players' legal counsel Jeffrey Kessler be holding up CBA talks? - NFL - Sporting News[/url]
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The players have consistently claimed they are in the dark about these negotiations, and that fault lays in their leadership.

Now, the owners have approved a solution that contains the framework that the players leadership has been negotiation day in day out, and if they can't accept it, then I don't see why the owners would ever expect that a final deal could be reached.

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The players aren't helping themselves on Twitter right now. I think they would be wise to shut up and communicate with their reps.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;811935]Sorry, but if the players are coming in at this point and crying because they don't know what is in it, that is their own fault. They should have been questioning and demanding better info throughout the process. Mankins had his rep come out and say


[B]The players have consistently claimed they are in the dark about these negotiations, and that fault lays in their leadership.[/B]

Now, the owners have approved a solution that contains the framework that the players leadership has been negotiation day in day out, and if they can't accept it, then I don't see why the owners would ever expect that a final deal could be reached.[/quote]

True. Fault also lies in the judge who issued the gag order, so that everyone on both sides who was not in the room has to play catch-up now.

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Wow.....fecking lame.

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Here is our rep. Doesn't sound good from his tweet:

therealholliday Vonnie Holliday
by CindyBoren
Look guys I have no reason to lie! The truth of the matter is we got tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled!
13 minutes ago

I wish we could get a vote from the full players as opposed to 32 reps that have been seething through this whole thing...(seething is obviously my opinion)

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[quote=Lotus;811937]True. Fault also lies in the judge who issued the gag order, so that everyone on both sides who was not in the room has to play catch-up now.[/quote]

sorry, but I can't believe that the gag order extends to potential members of a class. I think that the players' leadership didn't want to risk leaks (can't particularly blame the leadership for fearing leaks). They should have had a system in place (and could have confirmed with judges that it didn't violate the gag order) that gave the players a reasonable understanding as these negotiations progressed.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;811940]sorry, but I can't believe that the gag order extends to potential members of a class. I think that the players' leadership didn't want to risk leaks (can't particularly blame the leadership for fearing leaks). They should have had a system in place (and could have confirmed with judges that it didn't violate the gag order) that gave the players a reasonable understanding as these negotiations progressed.[/quote]

Agreed. It was a bit bizarre that folks who had million-dollar stakes had little knowledge of what was being negotiated on their behalf.

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[quote=SmootSmack;811933]I probably shouldn't have said Smith thinks it's a fair deal, that's not entirely accurate. My understanding is he thinks it's a better deal than previous proposals. But still there's a ways to go.

They have, I believe, until Tuesday.[/quote]

Did they not have a handshake deal?

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Who owners and players?

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[quote=SmootSmack;811944]Who owners and players?[/quote]

Yes.

If the owners did include substantial provisions not agreed upon then I retract everything. The should be lined up and shot proverbially.

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This is about to get ugly.

Hope not, but that's my prediction.

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[quote=SmootSmack;811928]I'm absolutely on the players's side. The owners ratified their own deal, including in it some terms the players had said they would not agree to. Maybe the players will agree to them, but they certainly won't (and shouldn't) approve anything they haven't seen.

Players have been getting information piecemeal, some like what they heard others didn't. Now the players reps are looking over the proposal, and likely won't vote on it tonight. But, as much as all of us wish they would agree to the deal and get on with it, that's not a fair or realistic expectation. They've been locked out for over four months. They have every right not to be pressured into anything.[/quote]

I'm 100% with you.. This is a straight bully move by Goodell and the owners. Great job by them of making the players (an easy target) look like the bad guys but some very simple facts remain unchanged and unchallenged:
1. The owners opted out of an existing CBA
2. The owners locked the players out

How the players are getting blamed for anything is baffling to me (not really, there is a rather obvious reason but I won't go there) other than the owners doing a better job of painting the picture of good vs. bad in this scenario.