Gibb's press confrence.
 

It sounded like to me that Gibb's believes the answer to our problem's is to have the defense, and specials play perfect, as if 1 play here, or 1 play there is going to over come our horrible offensive scheme, I don't hear Gibb's talking about his playcalling, or the fact that our offense constantly put's our defense's back against the wall, he kept touching on the fact that the cowboy's went the length of the field without any time out's insinuating that he did his part burning Dallas's timeout's and the defense let us down, kind of like when he can't say his 2 big offseason moves could cripple our ability to sign talent for year's to come, there comes a time when you have to take the car key's away from grandpa. I don't think he get's it anymore, I get the feeling he feel's every team we play is the 85' bear's.

Can someone post a link to Monday's press conference. Can't find it anywhere!?
Thanks.

He's acknowledged several times this year that the offense is not living up to expectations and he's shouldered all the blame each time. What else does he need to say?

Right now we do need great efforts from the D and ST to help out the offense. That's really not anything new.

[URL=http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/redskins/demand/041227redskinspress.rm&proto=rtsp&rbnkey=1]It[/URL]'s on Redskins.com

It's RealPlayer streaming audio.

Here's a Gibbs quote from the WP regarding the offense, sounds like he's aware of the offensive problems to me.

[quote]"We have had a very tough year, all year," Gibbs said yesterday. "We haven't put the points up. We haven't been productive. I felt like we were starting to make some strides here over the last portion of the [season] on making plays and putting together long drives, and I think we have been doing that. So has there been some improvement? Yeah. Has it been the improvement that we want? No."[/quote]

Matty, the old man doesn't get it. He's clueless. Thats it, fire him and lets start all over [I]again[/I] :Smoker:

If anyone thinks Gibbs doesn't get it. Just read this from the Washington Times today:

A day after watching his offense revert to its struggling midseason form, Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs outlined a plan to review all aspects of personnel and schemes so that changes can be implemented this offseason.
The coaching staff will meet from Jan. 4, two days after Sunday's finale against the Minnesota Vikings, until probably Jan. 7. Evaluations will be presented to owner Dan Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato as the team begins formulating a plan for 2005.

Although Gibbs offered no names, the continued struggles on offense likely will put wide receivers Rod Gardner, Darnerien McCants and Taylor Jacobs under close scrutiny. Also, salary-cap considerations could contribute to a hard look at left tackle Chris Samuels.
Gibbs indicated all elements of the team will be subject to review. However, certain compliments he issued — for veteran leadership and the defense, for example — established where change is unlikely to occur.
"By the end of the week, we're going to have laid out where we stand as a football team," Gibbs said.
Of greatest concern is Gibbs' once-famed offense, which has devolved into a plodding, conservative attack reminiscent of 2001's "MartyBall."
This year's longest gain was running back Clinton Portis' 64-yard touchdown run on the second play of the opener. No. 1 wide receiver Laveranues Coles is on pace to top 90 catches and finish with less than 1,000 yards. And only the Chicago Bears have scored fewer points (217) than the Redskins (219).
In fact, barring an outburst this weekend, these Redskins will score fewer points than Marty Schottenheimer's team in 2001 (256).
"That starts with me," Gibbs said. "We're going to have to take a long, hard look at everything we do on offense, every part of our offense and every part of our scheme."
Gibbs said he won't consider changing Washington's fundamental one-back philosophy, but he added he's open to tinkering with the play-calling. That said, the Redskins have been tinkering pretty much all year.
"We're trying to be progressive," Gibbs said. "Our philosophy is we'd like to be balanced. We'd like to get big plays, and we'd like to run the football. I think that will kind of stay true to form. But we're looking at everything as we go."
Washington had been showing signs of progress in recent weeks, but Sunday's 13-10 loss at Dallas seemed to be a major step back. The Redskins generated just 233 yards, their fifth-lowest total of the season, and a review of this season's NFL scores showed that in only about 2 percent of the contests did the winning team score 10 or fewer points.
Players yesterday acknowledged their scoring problems but didn't sound overly concerned. They mostly credited the Cowboys with playing aggressive, sound defense.
"Really and truly, I'm not making any sort of excuses. I think they did a real good job defensively," quarterback Patrick Ramsey said. "We had just a few plays here or there, at critical times, we were unable to convert."
Gibbs agreed: "I would say [it was] two very good defenses rockin' and sockin'."
Still, with Washington (5-10) making little if any progress from last season, something's got to change. Gardner will draw the most scrutiny among players because he hasn't produced in four years. The 15th overall pick in 2001, Gardner has just 50 catches for 641 yards this year. Because one year remains on the five-year, $7.7 million contract he signed as a rookie, he could be cut or traded.
McCants, meanwhile, signed a three-year, $4.5 million extension last spring but has been inactive in nine games. Jacobs, a second-round pick in 2003, caught two passes at Dallas but has just 13 on the year. Both players are emblematic of the Redskins' failure to find a legitimate No. 3 target.
Of course, an injury to Coles has played a role. Coles signed a seven-year, $35 million contract in 2003 to be the deep threat, but a toe injury has hampered him both seasons. Club officials still haven't determined whether he will undergo surgery.
Erratic pass protection also is a factor. Although Samuels hasn't been bad, he's a non-Pro Bowl player making Pro Bowl money — $6.5 million in salary and bonuses in 2005. Center Cory Raymer, meanwhile, has had a rough year, and guards Randy Thomas and Derrick Dockery have been up and down.
Next week, all of them will go under Gibbs' microscope.
"We've got to pick the right players," Gibbs said. "And then we've got to be geared up [for], 'Where can we help the team the most?' By the end of next week, that's our goal, to have it all listed. We're going to present that to the scouts and Dan and Vinny, and then we're going to progress from there."

Thanks for posting that Redskins_P

Sounds like a lot of late nights at Redskins Park is in the works for this staff.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Matty, the old man doesn't get it. He's clueless. Thats it, fire him and lets start all over [I]again[/I] :Smoker:[/QUOTE]

This quote makes me ill. Give the man some time, please. He is responsible for every bit of glory that the Redskins have ever had. If it wasn't for him, you probably wouldn't even be a Skins fan. You need to be patient and stop complaining. He is going to be our coach whether you like it or not, so you might as well save your breath. There is absolutely no reason for this kind of talk. This was a re-learning year for Gibbs and the players, and you want to take yet another step back and start all over [B]again[/B]? What ever happens, Gibbs will not quit or fail. He is somebody that we all can trust (he's a good person) in the long run to do the right thing. You can't keep firing coaches after one or two years. If you don't think stability is the first priority, then you haven't learned anything from the last 12 years. Do you actually think that there is someone out there, who is better suited for the job?

[QUOTE=Krills]This quote makes me ill. Give the man some time, please. He is responsible for every bit of glory that the Redskins have ever had. If it wasn't for him, you probably wouldn't even be a Skins fan. You need to be patient and stop complaining. He is going to be our coach whether you like it or not, so you might as well save your breath. There is absolutely no reason for this kind of talk. This was a re-learning year for Gibbs and the players, and you want to take yet another step back and start all over [B]again[/B]? What ever happens, Gibbs will not quit or fail. He is somebody that we all can trust (he's a good person) in the long run to do the right thing. You can't keep firing coaches after one or two years. If you don't think stability is the first priority, then you haven't learned anything from the last 12 years. Do you actually think that there is someone out there, who is better suited for the job?[/QUOTE]


Krills, I was just joking man... :thumb:

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Thanks for posting that Redskins_P

Sounds like a lot of late nights at Redskins Park is in the works for this staff.[/QUOTE]


Matty, like you I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming the coach. Its always the coach, the scheme, the playcalling, and never the players. It's just getting old.

Offiss's original thread
 

Sorry, I didn't realize you were joking, but I was also reacting to offiss's thread (there comes a time when you have to take the keys away from grandpa.....) That just gets under my skin.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Matty, like you I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming the coach. Its always the coach, the scheme, the playcalling, and never the players. It's just getting old.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind critcism, but I expect it to be well thought out and not two faced. Unfortunately, most of the criticism on here is not well thought out and IS two faced. Gotta yell about something though, right?

[QUOTE=Krills]Sorry, I didn't realize you were joking, but I was also reacting to offiss's thread (there comes a time when you have to take the keys away from grandpa.....) That just gets under my skin.[/QUOTE]

Me too trust me. I hate that crap too.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]I don't mind critcism, but I expect it to be well thought out and not two faced. Unfortunately, most of the criticism on here is not well thought out and IS two faced. Gotta yell about something though, right?[/QUOTE]


Hell yeah. Look at our record. Our offense sucks right now, but to go and say something like "take the keys away from grandpa" is just stupid in my opinion.

Gibbs will figure it out. I totally believe that. When he does, I can't wait to hear everyone praising him.

I know some will twist this in to us letting the coaches off the hook and that's not the case.

The entire team deserves to take the blame from the coaches on down.

[quote]Matty, like you I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming the coach. Its always the coach, the scheme, the playcalling, and never the players. It's just getting old.[/quote]

You mean it's always the coach, till Gibbs comes back to coach, right? If this were nearly any other coach everyone on this board would be screaming for his head. The players can only do so much when they're not given an oppurtunity to make big plays.

That WP or WT article that Redskins_P posted looks great, but Gibbs has been a lot of talk this year. Who here doesn't want a balanced attack? However, we've eliminated any sort of big play capability by ourselves! We need to open up the offense. We have a QB with an arm and we have some real speed at WR in a healthy (hopefully next year) Coles and Taylor Jacobs.

Why shouldn't there be criticism. Our offense only got more talent added to it and is performing worse.

Cut Taylor Jacobs? The poor guy hasn't been given a legitimate chance! He was talking about how great he was in training camp; guess he wasn't great enough for some play time. I don't remember him dropping a single ball thrown within his vicinity, and he made one really big play against Dallas.

In my mind, Joe Gibbs has another full year to get the offense moving. After that, I'd like an offensive coordinator.

Daseal, like I said I don't mind the criticism. But theres no reason to disrespect Gibbs.


When your record is 5-10, you will get criticized and I understand that. And Gibbs is the type of guy that will take the blame for everything. He has said it over and over again.

It just seems like some people here think that he's not capable of turning this around or that he's too old. Thats a crock of BS if you ask me.

It's just taking longer than all of us thought.

I think it's very probable he'll turn it around. He's smart and knows what he has to do to win. If that means O coordinator I feel he'll do it. However, I also see that there's a possibility he doesn't turn it around, which is very real and seems to be dismissed or ignored because people can't fathom that Gibbs could fail his second time around.

[QUOTE=Daseal]However, I also see that there's a possibility he doesn't turn it around, which is very real and seems to be dismissed or ignored because people can't fathom that Gibbs could fail his second time around.[/QUOTE]


I don't see that happening. Call it blind faith or whatever but I truly believe that Gibbs will bring us back to the glory days.

And if I'm wrong Daseal, you can be the first to call me out and serve me that hot plate of crow. ;)

How about we just give him the time necessary to turn a team around.

People have been saying the game has passed him by since very early in the season, that's just ridiculous.

The problem I have with this whole thing and my reasoning for saying he doesn't have it anymore is this, he doesn't see thing's for what they are, why would we have a consevative passing game when everybody on the planet is chucking the ball downfield? Gibb's is living in the past, with the new can't remotly touch the reciever rule you have to throw deep to many good thing's can happen not to, and Gibb's is throwing pass pattern's on 3rd down's short of first down yardage constantly, throw it deep you have a good chance of a penalty, or here's a thought you might complete it for a first down, if it's picked off big deal it's like a punt anyway, Gibb's keep's saying everytime he's asked why he doesn't take shot's downfield? And he say's we took a lot of shot's downfield, Im not seeing it where are we taking shot's downfield? Obviously the people who keep asking these question's aren't seeing it either yet he insist's we are, somebody here inform me of what I am missing, Gibb's said what's in the past as far as his accomplishment's are in the past they don't count anymore, well I agree I am evaluating him for what he has done so far this year, and the problem is not that we are losing, it's how we are losing that is the big concern, I don't want to hear after a press confrence of how good the cowboy's defense is, IT'S NOT GOOD! In other word's Gibb's tries to credit the vaunted Dallas defense with stopping our offense, rather than crediting our pathetic offense which he is in charge of for stopping itself!

:stop:

So, after 15 games you already think Gibbs can't do it anymore? After being out of the game for 12 years? You only give him one season?

See, this is the problem with us Redskins fans. We want everything to be fixed right away. 12 years of mediocrity will suddenly change after 15 games? So, now what? We need another new head coach? Make the players learn another scheme again? Go after more expensive free agents? Open up the passing game? Last year when we did have a "downfield" passing game, wasn't our QB getting killed? And we still ended up with a 5-11 record!

I agree Redskins_P and I made a similar point in another thread. We could open up the offense for what it's worth and play the 'chuck and duck' style we had the last 2 years and in the process get Ramsey pounded in to the turf. That philosophy got us 12 wins the last 2 years.

We will see the offense open up when we have a line that can properly protect the QB. Having Jansen back will make a huge difference, and hopefully some other upgrades (center) will also make a difference.

12 wins > 10 we're on track for. With better assistants I'd say we could go to an 8 or 9 win season without much problem with the "chuck and duck"

Offiss and I aren't calling for a resignation. However, I personally can't understand the blind faith and sticking up for his actions when 95% of all unbiased observers I've talked to agree that it is playcalling and not execution killing us. I think because you're in love with Gibbs it's clouding your vision. Every coach has 3 years in my book, that includes my boy Spurrier. He had one more year to take a decent run at the playoffs before I wanted someone new. I give the same courtesy to every coach, but that doesn't mean I have to stand by their every move till that three year grace period is up.

Daseal, why do you call it "blind" faith?

I mean, Gibbs is a proven coach. Not to mention he's in the HOF. Whats wrong with having faith in that?


Look, I respect your opinion, and all your criticizm. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that people think that Gibbs is sooo stubborn that he won't change his ways. That's rediculous.

If we could consistantly execute like we did in the second Giants game would anyone still have a problem with the Gibbs system? The problem that we have now is personel. Gibbs likes to line up and dare you to stop him. We will do fine against weaker teams.
The problem today is that Gibbs may be a victim of the cap and have to change his philosophy. I think that he will identify the weak links (players) this year and fill them in the offseason. He will then try to run his style of football again. If it still doesn't work, I believe he will change philosophy, coaching, coaches, or anything that he has to so that he can win. He will change is he needs to because he can't stand to lose. That is why he spends all the long hours at work.
AND, why do I keep hearing about "Marty Ball"? Yes, the guy is having a good year in SD, and I'm sure he would have done good here. At the start of this year people were talking about him not lasting the season if his team didn't shape up. Everyone should learn a lesson about how a little patience can pay big dividends.

How about having the same head coach, offensive and defensive "coordinators" (the play-callers...Gibbs and Williams) for more than one year for the first time in what, 6 years???
I'd like to see Gibbs bring in a younger offensive mind into the mix, but even if he doesn't, I have "seeing" faith (NOT blind) that the Skins will be improved next year. All along he has said that this is a process, and while I'm sure he didn't plan for the season to go the way it has gone, he and the coaching staff will sit back and figure out what to do to fix things. This includes weeding out non-core players, deciding where we need help and/or depth and tweaking the system better to the core players' strengths and to "today's NFL, etc...

To Daseal it's blind faith if you don't place the majority of the blame for the offensive woes on Gibbs.

I really wish we didn't lose the board back in February, because I would love to read you defending Spurrier's horrible coaching job. I don't recall you placing 85% of the blame on your boy last year.

Matty: I admitted on several occasions, just like I do now, that Spurrier had a brunt of the blame. 85% of the blame went on the coaching staff, just like this year. However, I didn't have much beef with Spurriers offense (you know, the part of the game he controled) as I did with Heston and Edwards. This year with Bugel and Williams there's little to complain about, both assistants are doing well and a majority of the problems come from the offensive play calling. Guess who does that? Last year you blamed Spurrier for all the problems, even though he left the defense alone. Imagine if Greg Williams regressed with our defense like Gibbs regressed with our offense. You'd be blaming Williams right now, not Gibbs. You simply are too loyal to admit any wrong doing.

I also would LOVE to see the board from last Feburary so I can see you ripping Spurrier for playcalling after putting up two TDs and a FG or two. Or maybe for throwing it into the endzone instead of running it up the gut 3 times for a FG.

On our first drive Sunday, Gibbs' offense moved the ball about 73 yards only to have the drive stalled at the Dallas 3 on a Ramsey INT. Equal number of runs and short passes. The playcalling wasn't a problem there, it was execution

[QUOTE=Daseal]Matty: I admitted on several occasions, just like I do now, that Spurrier had a brunt of the blame. 85% of the blame went on the coaching staff, just like this year. However, I didn't have much beef with Spurriers offense (you know, the part of the game he controled) as I did with Heston and Edwards. This year with Bugel and Williams there's little to complain about, both assistants are doing well and a majority of the problems come from the offensive play calling. Guess who does that? Last year you blamed Spurrier for all the problems, even though he left the defense alone. Imagine if Greg Williams regressed with our defense like Gibbs regressed with our offense. You'd be blaming Williams right now, not Gibbs. You simply are too loyal to admit any wrong doing.

I also would LOVE to see the board from last Feburary so I can see you ripping Spurrier for playcalling after putting up two TDs and a FG or two. Or maybe for throwing it into the endzone instead of running it up the gut 3 times for a FG.[/QUOTE]
So you had no problems with the protection schemes? Or the inconsistent playcalling like not sticking with the run when it was painfully obvious that was the way to go?? How about the way he lost control and the respect of the players in the locker room? Cell phones going off in practice, guys skipping practice? I guess that was just ok with you as long as he chucked it up for the endzone once in a while to average an oustanding 18 points per game.

How about that stellar coaching staff he put together, mostly filled with guys with no NFL experience? No problems there either?

I blamed Helton and Edwards PLENTY last year, problem was Spurrier's offense didn't do much to warrant much praise either.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]How about the way he lost control and the respect of the players in the locker room?[/QUOTE]

This is the main difference between Spurrier and Gibbs and this point. Each time I read Dasels rants on Gibbs, I really dont know how to respond to the play calling aquisitions, becasue like him, I wasent around for the first run, so I understand the hesitation to trust Gibbs. However, I think its obvious that Gibbs has a grasp on the players, a trust from the players and a general feeling that things are going to be turned around. Whereas I dont think Steve Spurrier had that, and thats why he stepped down.

I really dont know how to defend the playcalling as a whole , because I too think it has been fairly poor. Although I do agree with running the ball at the end of the game last week. However, I think a big thing to build on is that Gibbs is a leader for the team, which is somthing the head coach should be. I wouldnt mind if we had a new offensive mind added to the staff to try to give it a more modern feel, but I know Gibbs should stay here, and I'm glad hes going to be, and I think the players are as well.

That's it. Gibbs is a leader where Spurrier is a clever offensive coach. Personally, I would love to have Spurrier back as the offensive coordinator. I think that his system would work with a good defense and a guy up top that demanded respect. Spurrier's short office hours, lack of involvement on defense, and unwillingness to take much of the blame for loses rubbed off on the less professional players and hurt the team. With Gibbs, that does not happen.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Offiss and I aren't calling for a resignation. However, I personally can't understand the blind faith and sticking up for his actions when 95% of all unbiased observers I've talked to agree that it is playcalling and not execution killing us. I think because you're in love with Gibbs it's clouding your vision. [B]Every coach has 3 years in my book, that includes my boy Spurrier. He had one more year to take a decent run at the playoffs before I wanted someone new.[/B] I give the same courtesy to every coach, but that doesn't mean I have to stand by their every move till that three year grace period is up.[/QUOTE]

Daseal....Spurrier quit...he gave up dude. What does that tell you about "your boy" Spurrier.

It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours. I still have the feeling he was pushed out by a returning Gibbs, but who knows.

Never once have I questioned the way Gibbs can lead players or have I questioned his work ethic. Those are easily his two strongest selling points. He's a great leader and he works hard. Two things Spurrier probably wasn't the best at. I agree totally the way he developed his staff was wrong. However, how many of you thought that promoting Edwards was a good idea? At the time, I did. I thought finally someone running the same system who has been around for a year. Just proved why Lewis was so valuable!

I love how a majority of the problems you can find with Spurrier are things that aren't even on the field. Criticize how he called a game, how bout? Thing is, Spurrier ran the game better than Gibbs has been. It's been absolutely pathetic. Spurrier certainly had kinks to work out, no doubt about that. However, if Spurrier had surrounded himself with a staff such as the one Gibbs had, does anyone here think we wouldn't be in a better position right now?

This is my last post on this topic. I'd just like to say that I feel Gibbs will eventually turn it around, but he needs to make some drastic changes. I don't buy that whole execution excuse everyone wants to give. It takes more than execution to win. You have to give your players a chance to execute and make yards. Everyone in the world blames Gibbs except for people who are still remembering the glory days.

[QUOTE=Daseal]It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours.[/QUOTE]

What in the world do you mean by this?

[QUOTE=Daseal]It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours. I still have the feeling he was pushed out by a returning Gibbs, but who knows.[/QUOTE]


if you think he was pushed out that means you don't think he quit..how does that make him smarter than gibbs. if he were smart he should have not quit and taken the remaining money on his contract. anyway, here's what i think gibbs will figure it out. the problem is both execution and playcalling, it's not one or the other. gibbs will bust his ass this offseason coming up with new and better plays because that is what joe gibbs does. he will also weed out the bad on this team so that should help with the execution somewhat.

i look at it this way...he is our best chance to get back to the playoffs...why not trust in him. we can't lose anymore than we already have...there's only one way to go and that's up.

Spurrier quit. Until someone can prove anything different, that is what happened. If that shows he is smarter than Gibbs, then I would really like to hear the explanation. Look, I can see the aprehension about Gibbs from the younger guys that weren't around to see Joe Gibbs 1.0. I understand that its hard to believe things that you couldn't see with your own eyes. I don't get this blind faith crap....after all, faith IS believing in things that are unseen. Kind of a redundant phrase, "blind faith." I think what is also comical are the comparisons of Joe Gibbs to some sort of messiah or prophet, and the accusations handed down to us who are pulling for Gibbs to succeed. These accusations that assume we think Gibbs is a messiah and to say anything negative about him is a sin. Well, it is true that Joe is a very devout Christian --- something I have always admired most about Gibbs. However, with my Christian upbringing, I know better than to put Gibbs on that much of a pedestal. However, I will give him respect and credit where it is due. Let's face it; Joe Gibbs IS the reason why most of us here are Redskins fans. Under his tenure as Head Coach, the Redskins have had their most successful days of the franchise. All of our Super bowl trophies come from Joe Gibbs coached teams. None of the coaches that followed were able to even come close to these accomplishments...and none of them had any of these accomplishments as head coach prior to taking the coaching job with the Redskins...although Norv Turner enjoyed these accomplishments as an offensive coordinator. But, after several seasons with the Skins, Turner couldn't produce a team that could come close to the elite status as any of Joe Gibbs' Super Bowl teams.

Yes, I'll admit Joe Gibbs has looked very bad as a head coach this year. He looked exactly like a coach that has been away from the game for about 12 years....oh wait! He HAS been away from the game for 12 years! Wow, imagine that! But remember, how hard do you think it must be to not only comeback to coaching in the NFL after being gone for 12 seasons, but to start over from scratch? Don't you think expecting Joe Gibbs to bring this team to glory after one season is a bit foolish? Didn't most of us expect this? Yep! Myself included! But, I see now it does take awhile to build a team....especially when every detailed is considered and especially when you want that team to be contenders season after season! But, lets face it.....Joe Gibbs gives us a much better chance at bring back the glory years than what Steve Spurrier could have done. That's not blind faith...that's just fact.

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Spurrier quit. Until someone can prove anything different, that is what happened. If that shows he is smarter than Gibbs, then I would really like to hear the explanation. Look, I can see the aprehension about Gibbs from the younger guys that weren't around to see Joe Gibbs 1.0. I understand that its hard to believe things that you couldn't see with your own eyes. I don't get this blind faith crap....after all, faith IS believing in things that are unseen. Kind of a redundant phrase, "blind faith." I think what is also comical are the comparisons of Joe Gibbs to some sort of messiah or prophet, and the accusations handed down to us who are pulling for Gibbs to succeed. These accusations that assume we think Gibbs is a messiah and to say anything negative about him is a sin. Well, it is true that Joe is a very devout Christian --- something I have always admired most about Gibbs. However, with my Christian upbringing, I know better than to put Gibbs on that much of a pedestal. However, I will give him respect and credit where it is due. Let's face it; Joe Gibbs IS the reason why most of us here are Redskins fans. Under his tenure as Head Coach, the Redskins have had their most successful days of the franchise. All of our Super bowl trophies come from Joe Gibbs coached teams. None of the coaches that followed were able to even come close to these accomplishments...and none of them had any of these accomplishments as head coach prior to taking the coaching job with the Redskins...although Norv Turner enjoyed these accomplishments as an offensive coordinator. But, after several seasons with the Skins, Turner couldn't produce a team that could come close to the elite status as any of Joe Gibbs' Super Bowl teams.

Yes, I'll admit Joe Gibbs has looked very bad as a head coach this year. He looked exactly like a coach that has been away from the game for about 12 years....oh wait! He HAS been away from the game for 12 years! Wow, imagine that! But remember, how hard do you think it must be to not only comeback to coaching in the NFL after being gone for 12 seasons, but to start over from scratch? Don't you think expecting Joe Gibbs to bring this team to glory after one season is a bit foolish? Didn't most of us expect this? Yep! Myself included! But, I see now it does take awhile to build a team....especially when every detailed is considered and especially when you want that team to be contenders season after season! But, lets face it.....Joe Gibbs gives us a much better chance at bring back the glory years than what Steve Spurrier could have done. That's not blind faith...that's just fact.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that! Preach on brother skinsguy!