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[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html]Redskins.com | Depth Chart[/url]

Sorry if this was already in another post, there are like 9 million posts to go through, and I also think its worth its own thread. What do you guys find interesting about the depth chart?

Landry obviously is our starter, but why is he not listed on it? is he hurt? And where is torain? I know he's hurt but he's not even mentioned. Maybe the writting on the wall that his injury bug has got to the coaches too much.

I think its odd that rex is listed ahead of beck a couple of days after kyle said he wanted beck with the 10th overall pick. Not surprising that rex beat him out from a talent perspective, just surprising because of what everything the coaches have been telling us.

I like our wr depth order, but don't like how low our rookies are. We traded back a million times to draft these guys, and it looks like there is a good possibility neither will make the team considering they are 7 and 8 on the depth chart. (*edit added in- they are 8 and 9 if you include that Banks will make the team*) It makes me feel like our draft strategy of trading back was harmful to our roster when the guys we traded back for look like they won't make the team.

I think its interesting the keiland williams is a FB, I don't know what is up with that, but feel that he will be our 4th rb and torain is shown the door.

I didn't know we signed sean locklear. Good pickup for depth. But it interesting that he is at tackle. Any possibility we are going to sign heyer again?

Sellers being the 4th TE makes me think he's gone.

I love our dline depth.

CB depth I'm satisfied with, but I have the same sentiment about our S depth as I do with our WR depth. Gomes is listed as either the 6th or 7th S and looks like a wasted draft pick that we didn't need to trade back for.

I love that we got Keyaron Fox (didn't know that). I heard that Jackson is having 1st team reps in stead of kerrigan. Our lack of OLB depth scares me. Anyone know Kerrigans injury situation? When he is due to come back and if it will be an lingering injury? Or if Chris Wilson will be brought back?

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Good idea to start a new thread.

Judging by the first post though it's like you haven't read any posts.

We've talked multiple times about adding Locklear and Fox and KW moving to fullback, and that Heyer has signed with the Raiders. And that Chris Wilson left for the Eagles

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/43323-2011-redskins-roster-aquisition-deletion-list.html[/url]

Plus, with Landry, Torain, and Beck all battling injuries it makes sense they'd be at the bottom of the preseaseon game 1 depth chart

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Don't be alarmed by rookies on any team being low on depth charts. They all will be at a huge disadvantage for at least half of the season as they learn their first pro schemes and get caught up to the vets in study and conditioning. The lockout may even make some rookies completely behind for their whole first season.

I'm glad we have enough depth so that we're not forced to throw these rookies onto the field before they're ready. Some higher picks like Kerrigan will be expected to play right away, but later picks like Hankerson may need a little time to get up to speed.

I like Keiland Williams better as a FB than HB...and with the crowed HB situation, he's still on the field to make a difference at FB. He should be more effective than Sellers, who has really fallen the past few seasons...dropping passes, not playing with 100% every play. He's done.

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[quote=Monkeydad;821468]Don't be alarmed by rookies on any team being low on depth charts. They all will be at a huge disadvantage for at least half of the season as they learn their first pro schemes and get caught up to the vets in study and conditioning. The lockout may even make some rookies completely behind for their whole first season.

I'm glad we have enough depth so that we're not forced to throw these rookies onto the field before they're ready. Some higher picks like Kerrigan will be expected to play right away, but later picks like Hankerson may need a little time to get up to speed.

I like Keiland Williams better as a FB than HB...and with the crowed HB situation, he's still on the field to make a difference at FB. He should be more effective than Sellers, who has really fallen the past few seasons...dropping passes, not playing with 100% every play. He's done.[/quote]

About keiland williams, I'm not sure I trust him as a true FB. His weight at 225 just seems low. Having him as a FB to be able to run passing patterns and to possibly pass block so that our rbs can run routes. I don't believe he is currently able to be a true FB though where he will clear the path for the RB on a run. I'm interested to see if he will make the roster and if he does, how he will be used.

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That's why we have Darrel Young. He'll be a great "true" FB for us.

He better perform well, he's wearing Sean Taylor's number.

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I wouldn't read too far into the initial depth chart.

Jeez I feel like we stepped into a time machine with this thread.

LL is still rehabbing his achilles. Heyer signed with the Raiders. Yes KW is a FB. Kerrigan is practicing. Wilson signed with the Eagles. Nobody has beat out anyone at QB, Rex is probably listed as #1 due to Beck's injury, and Shanahan never named Beck the starter to begin with. Or Rex for the matter.

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[quote=Monkeydad;821475]That's why we have Darrel Young. He'll be a great "true" FB for us.

He better perform well, he's wearing Sean Taylor's number.[/quote]

I agree with you. I just don't see us carrying 4 RBs and 2 FBs . Its a numbers game that I'm interested to see where we take it. I think williams will make the team and torain will be the odd man out.

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[quote=skinster;821465][URL="http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html"]Redskins.com | Depth Chart[/URL]

Sorry if this was already in another post, there are like 9 million posts to go through, and I also think its worth its own thread. What do you guys find interesting about the depth chart?

[B]Landry obviously is our starter, but why is he not listed on it? is he hurt?[/B] And where is torain? I know he's hurt but he's not even mentioned. Maybe the writting on the wall that his injury bug has got to the coaches too much.

[B]I think its odd that rex is listed ahead of beck a couple of days after kyle said he wanted beck with the 10th overall pick.[/B] Not surprising that rex beat him out from a talent perspective, just surprising because of what everything the coaches have been telling us.

I like our wr depth order, but don't like how low our rookies are. We traded back a million times to draft these guys, and it looks like there is a good possibility neither will make the team considering they are 7 and 8 on the depth chart. (*edit added in- they are 8 and 9 if you include that Banks will make the team*) It makes me feel like our draft strategy of trading back was harmful to our roster when the guys we traded back for look like they won't make the team.

[B]I think its interesting the keiland williams is a FB, I don't know what is up with that[/B], but feel that he will be our 4th rb and torain is shown the door.

[B]I didn't know we signed sean locklear[/B]. Good pickup for depth. But it interesting that he is at tackle. [B]Any possibility we are going to sign heyer again? [/B]

Sellers being the 4th TE makes me think he's gone.

I love our dline depth.

CB depth I'm satisfied with, but I have the same sentiment about our S depth as I do with our WR depth. Gomes is listed as either the 6th or 7th S and looks like a wasted draft pick that we didn't need to trade back for.

[B]I love that we got Keyaron Fox (didn't know that).[/B] I heard that Jackson is having 1st team reps in stead of kerrigan. Our lack of OLB depth scares me. [B]Anyone know Kerrigans injury situation?[/B] When he is due to come back and if it will be an lingering injury? Or if Chris Wilson will be brought back?[/quote]

Not to be a jerk, but are you really a Redskins fan? This stuff has been all over the Washington Post, Redskins.com, local news, and this website non-stop for days.

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[quote=Monkeydad;821475]That's why we have Darrel Young. He'll be a great "true" FB for us.

[B]He better perform well, he's wearing Sean Taylor's number[/B].[/quote]

?? Redskins.com has him listed as wearing #36....

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Remember Taylor wore 36 for a while

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[quote=skinster;821485]I agree with you. I just don't see us carrying 4 RBs and 2 FBs . Its a numbers game that I'm interested to see where we take it. I think williams will make the team and torain will be the odd man out.[/quote]

Torain isn't getting cut.

I see it like this:

RB
Torain
Helu
Hightower

FB
Young
Williams

Royster hits the practice squad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;821489]Remember Taylor wore 36 for a while[/quote]

Oh right. Fair enough. But it was just for his rookie season. He'll always be 21 in my mind.

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Remember back to last year: Shanahan doesn't really lie on his initial depth chart. It's fluid, sure, but he's generally sticking to what he has here, no matter how much or little sense this makes.

They'll keep 8 OL, so you're pretty much just looking at 3/5 on that second team. Any 3 out of the five could make it. Locklear and Hicks are the best bets, but it wouldn't be shocking if they get cut. If it comes down to it, I like Maurice Hurt to make it over Erik Cook. They don't need to keep a backup center because both Lichtensteiger and Chester can learn the calls and play inside.

Torain not being listed is...interesting. I know he's injured right now, but even Kelly is on the depth chart.

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There's a lot of receiver depth on this team. Think about it this way: if Mike Shanahan were to acquire Eddie Royal from the Broncos tomorrow, he'd be fighting with Leonard Hankerson as the fourth receiver. And he'd probably get cut if he wasn't the primary return man.

The "winners" of this depth chart are Anthony Armstrong and Jabar Gaffney. Both would appear to be roster locks at this point, not a small deal given how crowded the WR position is.

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[quote=Mattyk;821491]Torain isn't getting cut.

I see it like this:

RB
Torain
Helu
Hightower

FB
Young
Williams

Royster hits the practice squad.[/quote]

I would not be surprised one bit if this happened. I predicted that torain will get cut because it seems like Shanny values depth at the RB position. He wants to rotate guys, and I predict that Torain will be injured half the season, and Shanny doesn't want to have a guy taking up a roster spot that is only slightly more effective than a guy that will play twice as many games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;821513]Remember back to last year: Shanahan doesn't really lie on his initial depth chart. It's fluid, sure, but he's generally sticking to what he has here, no matter how much or little sense this makes.

They'll keep 8 OL, so you're pretty much just looking at 3/5 on that second team. Any 3 out of the five could make it. Locklear and Hicks are the best bets, but it wouldn't be shocking if they get cut. If it comes down to it, I like Maurice Hurt to make it over Erik Cook. They don't need to keep a backup center because both Lichtensteiger and Chester can learn the calls and play inside.

Torain not being listed is...interesting. I know he's injured right now, but even Kelly is on the depth chart.[/quote]


This is a better chart and has the injured listed. The actual PDF version.

[url]http://media.washtimes.com/media/misc/2011/08/09/washington-redskins-game-release-vs-pittsburgh-steelers-08-12-11.pdf[/url]

The chart is on page 21. It also has a neat breakdown on how everybody on the team was acquired.

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not gonna give you any more crap than you've already got lol so what he doesn't follow the redskins as closely as many of us do. its not like you here any of the stuff he doesn't know about on (what is most peoples source of sports news) ESPN. and like many of us, he is too lazy to read through other threads.

anyways, Torain better not get cut, ill go bananas if he does. at this point i'm ready to take on his injury risks, he's the best pure runner we have.

i'd like Chris Horton gets more of a shot. i thought two seasons ago he played better than doughty did, and in living in LA i got to see him play pretty damn well at UCLA.

lastly i hope we find a spot on the roster for Banks. he's is what we don't have many of on this team and that's a play maker. His return ability can win many games for us. the bears were at their peak when hester was at his. they've had many comparable rosters since, but hester hasn't made nearly as much of an impact since then & they havn't played at that level either.

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I'm also pretty confident they'll have just two QBs after cutdown day. I mean, I think Kellen Clemens is here for the long haul, and if John Beck is going to be inactive for most of the year, you need to then put the third QB on the roster, but unless they're going to break with more than 25 offensive players, I think its two QBs into week one.

The fact that Chappel should pass through effortlessly to the practice squad just makes things easier.

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If we only carry two quarterbacks, who gets cut? Beck? Or Grossman?

I don't see either one of those guys getting cut, and they like Kellen too, and Kellen's been looking good in practice.

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it would be ideal to carry 2 QB's. but i see us keeping all three (beck, grossman, & kellen)

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We'll keep 3 QBs.

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Shaun Draughn vs. Evan Royster could be interesting.

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[quote=NC_Skins;821530]We'll keep 3 QBs.[/quote]For the majority of the season, sure.

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[quote=NLC1054;821527]If we only carry two quarterbacks, who gets cut? Beck? Or Grossman?

I don't see either one of those guys getting cut, and they like Kellen too, and Kellen's been looking good in practice.[/quote]Whoever will be inactive against New York is in danger of being off the roster then. But I think as soon as they have an injury, they'll bring that player back.

It's going to be a three QB team, I just think they're going to need that roster spot until they set the practice squad and play a few games.

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just a thought, but i don't remember our squad being this troubled over cuts or mulling over the roster like this in a while. we haven't had this much competition in a while. good problem to have i'd say.

we have a good mix of guys with more "guaranteed" production & guys with lots of potential.

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[quote=GMScud;821488]?? Redskins.com has him listed as wearing #36....[/quote]

Exactly.

Not to be a jerk, but are you really a Redskins fan? :D

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[quote=Monkeydad;821542]Exactly.

Not to be a jerk, but are you really a Redskins fan? :D[/quote]

lol

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[quote=Kindoy;821520]not gonna give you any more crap than you've already got lol so what he doesn't follow the redskins as closely as many of us do. its not like you here any of the stuff he doesn't know about on (what is most peoples source of sports news) ESPN. and like many of us, he is too lazy to read through other threads.

anyways, Torain better not get cut, ill go bananas if he does. at this point i'm ready to take on his injury risks, he's the best pure runner we have.

i'd like Chris Horton gets more of a shot. i thought two seasons ago he played better than doughty did, and in living in LA i got to see him play pretty damn well at UCLA.

lastly i hope we find a spot on the roster for Banks. he's is what we don't have many of on this team and that's a play maker. His return ability can win many games for us. the bears were at their peak when hester was at his. they've had many comparable rosters since, but hester hasn't made nearly as much of an impact since then & they havn't played at that level either.[/quote]
I def follow the redskins just as much if not more than the vast majority of ppl on this site. I've just been on vacation for a while, and aren't about to read through the hundreds of pages of posts.

Hightower acquisition might be the writing on the wall for torain (although your right he might be our best pure runner). Unfortunately injuries do cost talent their job from time to time.

And banks will def make the team. He's first on the return depth chart

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Alvin Walton created a valuable thread, which has been stickied to the top of the locker room forum and that is constantly updated and I linked to in the 2nd post here that lists every move made

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A depth chart this early for a team coming off a 6-10 season is not really that important right now. There will be plenty of change in the depth chart going forward.
I think where we could continue to see changes and issues is the QB, OL, LB and CB position(s). Beck and (little hands) Rexy's play is very up and down right now. I would not be surprised to see both of them playing and getting benched at different times of the season. Especially playing behind a line that is still inconsistent and trying to find a couple of good guards and center. Plus we are not very deep in the OL. If god forbid injuries set in as it always does, we do not have strong backups yet, especially at LT. This could very easily change by some guys stepping up. We will see. But word out of camp is the backups on the O-line are not playing well and are routinely getting used by the defense. This is a concern.

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[quote=skinster;821547]I def follow the redskins just as much if not more than the vast majority of ppl on this site. I've just been on vacation for a while, and aren't about to read through the hundreds of pages of posts.

Hightower acquisition might be the writing on the wall for torain (although your right he might be our best pure runner). Unfortunately injuries do cost talent their job from time to time.

And banks will def make the team. He's first on the return depth chart[/quote]

fair enough, i was just being backing you up lol

and the banks thing, if he does indeed make the team it'll be interesting to see how that effects which WRs make it.

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Interesting to see Gaffney listed as a #1 reciever.
If that pans out to the season start it makes the Jarmon trade somewhat brilliant.

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[quote=skinster;821547]I def follow the redskins just as much if not more than the vast majority of ppl on this site. I've just been on vacation for a while, and aren't about to read through the hundreds of pages of posts.

Hightower acquisition might be the writing on the wall for torain (although your right he might be our best pure runner). Unfortunately injuries do cost talent their job from time to time.

And banks will def make the team. He's first on the return depth chart[/quote]Yeah, Banks is safe if healthy.

It looks like Donte Stallworth vs. Niles Paul vs. Aldrick Robinson vs. Terrence Austin for one spot. I'd be stunned if it was Stallworth (barring an injury to Gaffney or Moss), but I'd make it an even odds competition between the other three, with Austin slightly out in front right now.

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[quote=Kindoy;821539]just a thought, but i don't remember our squad being this troubled over cuts or mulling over the roster like this in a while. we haven't had this much competition in a while. good problem to have i'd say.

we have a good mix of guys with more "guaranteed" production & guys with lots of potential.[/quote]The last two years, we were pretty loaded on the defensive side in camp. Probably three deep with starters at most positions.

On offense, yeah, this is the first roster crackdown we've had here in quite a while. Deepest they've been in a while.

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Yeah, it was good to start this thread but, it got off on an uneducated foot. I expect a lot of substituting in this game, nothing out of the ordinary though. Imma keep my eye on the backup OTs though

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[quote=Alvin Walton;821602]Interesting to see Gaffney listed as a #1 reciever.
If that pans out to the season start it makes the Jarmon trade somewhat brilliant.[/quote]

It makes sense if he's considered a possession type WR.

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IMO, after Hall and J. Wilson, [B]CB is shaky[/B]; especially when Buchannon's out 4 games, so I'd like to sign Hayden or another FA CB. Torain, is a liability. He won't be cut, but he won't start. (Hightower #1, Torain #2, Helu #3). Shannahan didn't trade for Hightower just to be a "3rd down back". AA being on the 2nd team isn't surprising. He was never a #2 WR. Gaffney is an underrated WR, and can have a nice year.

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Torain seems more injury prone than Helu or Hightower, and he's definitely a rhythm RB IMO. Maybe he gets a majority of reps early, assuming he's successful, but I doubt he's healthy for the long haul. I really hope Helu can fly and Hightower breaks out!

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[quote=The Goat;821658]Torain seems more injury prone than Helu or Hightower, and he's definitely a rhythm RB IMO. Maybe he gets a majority of reps early, assuming he's successful, [B]but I doubt he's healthy for the long haul[/B]. I really hope Helu can fly and Hightower breaks out![/quote]

Exactly. Which is why Shananhan traded for Hightower. [B]If[/B] the O-line stays healthy, Hightower, Helu, and Torain can benefit.

So we've all decided Royster will be a non-factor?