Redskins-Steelers (Preseason) Post-game Thoughts
 

I thought I'd make this thread since the other thread was about the game.

What did you all like and dislike about the Skins last night against the Steelers?

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I liked:
-that our OLine looked solid
- Hightower makes me forget about Torain, and did Not fumble.
- Kerrigan looked good.
-Royster got a lot of carries, maybe Shanahan is liking him more, or maybe this was his 'game' and next week will be helus 'game'
- Cofield looked good
- Bowen made me forget about Cullen Jenkins
-Darrel Young looked like a great FB; loved his catch and jukes

I didn't like:

-Aldric Robinson
-Will Montgomery: He got pushed in the backfield about every play.
- Our secondary, specifically our corners getting beat.
- the touchbacks
- the fact McIntosh was in the whole time with the starters; give Riley and Fox a chance
- Hankerson, specifically his hands.
- Shayne Graham...he's supposed to be better than that..

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Hankerson and Graham are the only worries, but I think hankerson just got a case of nerves maybe. We will see in game #2. Graham is almost as good as gone, unless Gano pulls a "Graham" in game 2. Robinson is as good as cut. Too many Wrs on this team as it is. I did like Kerrigan, as it was sold to us in the media he was having a rough time in the transition to OLB. Nice job by the Boilermaker!!!!!!! O line was tight, Hightower was a steal. I hope we can keep Stallworth, although a consensu in here is that he is goingto be traded or something. If Hankerson can't pull it together keep Donte on the team and put Hankerson on the PS. I am not sure if folks are going to want him.

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Okay so I'm trying to figure out what videos to make for this past weeks game. I will likely keep them unlisted so only those who have the actual link to will be able to view them (ie they won't show up on my channels homepage).

[B]Likely Videos[/B]
Rex Grossman
Kellen Clemons
Tim Hightower
Evan Royster
Roy Helu
Defensive Line
Ryan Kerrigan

Remember the reason for so many videos stems from the fact that this is a preseason game meaning limited number of plays that need to be edited.

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I like the receiving of Armstrong, and loved how Hightower was running hard. I only caught glimses of the game, but I like what I saw from them. Garham was hot trash. Can we bring Chip Lowmiller back yet?
I also like the fact that we played out starters for a while. I know it's risky, but I think we got a good snapshot of how they are progressing with the short preperation time.

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We're undefeated bitches.

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First and foremost Fletcher appears to still be the man. O line showed alot more promise over last years, but im glad there is 3 more preason games for them to improve. So far I love the running back situation. It would be nice to have three good, young running backs stick around for a while. Things are looking up, but still way too early for me to get too excited.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;823133]I thought I'd make this thread since the other thread was about the game.

What did you all like and dislike about the Skins last night against the Steelers?[/quote]

Isn't this thread also about the game?

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Kellen Clemens displayed good instincts. Roy Helu was effective even with limited play time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;823152]Isn't this thread also about the game?[/quote]

Haha, yeah -- you could probably make a good argument for why this thread isn't necessary.

Anyways -- Hankerson and Robinson were the big concerns post game as well as our 1 for 5 red zone attempts, and 2 missed field goals and the fact that we only when 7-7 with our first team against their second team.

Other than that, Hightower looked great as did Royster, Moss as usual played well

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Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline...huge. Its absolutely amazing what actual blocking will do for an offense.

Dont let any Hatter(s) tell you different, but dropping 452 yards of offense on the well coach, physical Pittsburg Steelers is no small deal. thats effing awesome. Rex was good.

Defense was great with bringing pressure, everything else on d was ok. Kerrigan can flat out play.

We need to get our safeties healthy immediately. We wont survive with those 2 back ups in coverage. Not gonna work.

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Likes:
Grossman can run this offense.
Banks has value despite new rules.
Stallworth seems better than Galloway was last year.
Stretch plays and bootlegs are working well right now.
Moss was re-signed.
Gano is taking care of business.
Kellen is serviceable.

Dislikes:
Potential problems in the secondary.
Gap control defending the run.
Davis should be working with the WRs.

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I don't know about you all, but I had to watch the Steelers broadcast of the game which I assure you, sucked :laughing-

That being said, I didn't get to see a lot of replays as far as how Kerrigan and company looked. I know Hankerson has been having some issues with is hands, dropping one easy catch, but at least came back and made a catch later in the game. I think our expectations for him will have to be tempered for now, but I still see him as a future star.

Royster looked to have a good grasp of the scheme, but I didn't see enough of Helu to be able to judge him and Hightower looks to be a lock to start this year. I'm not sure however, how good I feel about that. If someone would have told me a year ago that we'd be excited about having Hightower, I'd told them they were nuts...

This new kickoff crap is stupid. Nothing else needed to be said. Gano is probably going to be our kicker, for better or for worse. I wish we'd have snagged Alex Henry...sigh

I hope to see Cooley back and healthy sooner than later but I have to agree, Davis needs to be getting time with the receivers. He looks small, although I read he came into camp at about 240 as opposed to last seasons 260. David Boston anyone?

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No doubt Rex grossman looks like he did the last 3 games in 2010.. Knows the system N puts up solid numbers.. Gaffney and moss looked great. O and D lines played well and Hightower beast

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A lot more likes than dislikes. But remember, it's only pre season

1. Very impressed with Grossman last night. Beck is offically the #2.
2. Hightower really ran hard. Looks like a great fit for this running game
3. wr's had some nice catches
4. o-line was solid.
5. Banks has got to be on this team.
6. Dline and backers were very active. Some nice plays by Cofield, Jenkins and Bowen
7. GANO!!!!!!!

Dislikes.
1. DHall...just cover your damn guy a quit trying to start fights. He's still a below average cover corner and was beaten a few times.
2. Josh Wilson...so so debut.
3. Shane Graham you're done. Pack you bags.

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I see a lot of o-line was good commentary on this thread -- watch the film, Will Montgomery against Casey Hampton was a joke. If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.

I am still worried about the interior - it's just the first preseason game but we're not out of the woods yet

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[quote=rbanerjee23;823170]If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.[/quote]

The first drive where we started on the one yard line and marched ninety yard down the field and basically ran the ball down the throats of the Steelers vaunted 1st team defense?

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t.h looks like steven jackson 39 lol

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davis should be a WR

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;823155]Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline Oline...huge. Its absolutely amazing what actual blocking will do for an offense.
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I know. How this was lost on the FO all these years I'll never know.

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KO rule is TRASH!

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really wanna see JB

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[quote=hagams;823146]I Can we bring Chip Lowmiller back yet? [/quote]


Ha! Chip's only a few years older than Favre.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/rookie-watch-preseason-game-1/2011/08/13/gIQA6fYjDJ_blog.html#pagebreak]Rookie watch: Preseason Game 1 - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=rbanerjee23;823170]I see a lot of o-line was good commentary on this thread -- watch the film, Will Montgomery against Casey Hampton was a joke. If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.

I am still worried about the interior - it's just the first preseason game but we're not out of the woods yet[/quote]

There may have been one or two plays were Hampton got the best of Montgomery and I only know for sure of one. I believe the one that most people are thinking of came on a screen where Monty's job was to let Hampton get through. Granted Monty had bad plays but I've now had a chance to really watch the line a lot closer today and I personally came away happy with Monty as the new center. Will he be among the likes of Alex Mack and Nick Mangold? No, but he is certainly a huge upgrade over last years version of Rabach and may even be better then Corey Raymer near the end of the Norv Turner era.

Also keep in mind Hampton is a perennial pro bowler that I wouldn't be surprised to see beat guys like Matt Birk and Alex Mack throughout the year.

Anyway, the play by play videos are coming so as usual everyone else will get a chance to judge for themselves.

Bottom line on Monty is this though. He was nasty, fierce, got to the second level when he needed to, used his hands well, and more times then not gave Rex a pocket to step into. I only remember seeing 2 (maybe 3 at most) where I didn't like what I saw from Monty and that was in 2 Quarters of football with at least 30 snaps.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;823170]I see a lot of o-line was good commentary on this thread -- watch the film, Will Montgomery against Casey Hampton was a joke. If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.

I am still worried about the interior - it's just the first preseason game but we're not out of the woods yet[/quote]

And I thought I was bad...

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My biggest concern is the cb situation. We really should have extended Rogers. Def think we need to draft a cb with our first pick next year if grossman emerges as a legit starter.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;823185]My biggest concern is the cb situation. We really should have extended Rogers. Def think we need to draft a cb with our first pick next year if grossman emerges as a legit starter.[/quote]

Corner situation will improve when our prized safeties are thrown into the mix. Or at least Atogwe seeing as how OJ is among the better cover safeties in the league.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;823186]Corner situation will improve when our prized safeties are thrown into the mix. Or at least Atogwe seeing as how [B]OJ is among the better cover safeties in the league.[/B][/quote]I don't think this is close to true. I would not put him in the top 30.

What he is here is a good scheme fit. He's not aggressive, but he'll stay over the top, keep the game in front of him, and be in position to make interceptions off of deflections. He's a huge tackling upgrade over Kareem Moore.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;823170]I see a lot of o-line was good commentary on this thread -- watch the film, Will Montgomery against Casey Hampton was a joke. If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.

I am still worried about the interior - it's just the first preseason game but we're not out of the woods yet[/quote]

Gtripp, you seen the game tape? Whats the opinion of the Oline play? I thought the Oline play was the team highlight of the night...second would kick/punt return play featuring Banks. Run blocking on the edges was pretty damn dominate and the pass blocking was excellent given the fact this is a Dick Lebeau coached team we were up against. I think if anyone is critical, its got to be on d side of the ball, particularly with coverage.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;823172]t.h looks like steven jackson 39 lol[/quote]

Minor squabble of mine but I don't like him in #39. #40 would look tight, or even his old # from Arizona #34 if Westbrook would give it up.

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[quote=Chico23231;823189]Gtripp, you seen the game tape? Whats the opinion of the Oline play? I thought the Oline play was the team highlight of the night...second would kick/punt return play featuring Banks. Run blocking on the edges was pretty damn dominate and the pass blocking was excellent given the fact this is a Dick Lebeau coached team we were up against. I think if anyone is critical, its got to be on d side of the ball, particularly with coverage.[/quote]With the caveat that I did NOT re-watch the tape of the first few drives, I saw specific instances of Trent Williams giving up the bull rush and Jammal Brown getting destroyed in space. I thought Locklear looked good against second teamers.

I did not see specific instances of what other people are saying about Montgomery getting thrown around in the run game, but if it did happen, it's important to remember that he's Will Montgomery. It's been an impressive ascension to starting C of this team, but two years ago, he was a bad backup lineman on one of the worst offensive lines in recent memory. He's a better player than he was then, and he's in a spot more conducive to success on the line, but keep that in mind about Will Montgomery. He wouldn't leave here and go start for any other team.

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[quote=Mattyk;823191]Minor squabble of mine but I don't like him in #39. #40 would look tight, or even his old # from Arizona #34 if Westbrook would give it up.[/quote]

Like gross. 40 is for like slow guys. 39 says I'm not only fast, but I'm tough to.

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The biggest concern about our OL is that our starting LG, C, and RG all would be backups on any other team (if only because most teams still use man-blocking). And that our tackles still have a ways to go to be as good as our interior.

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39 is just an odd # to me. I dig the 40s for backs. Riggo, Stephen Davis, etc.

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[quote=GTripp0012;823195]The biggest concern about our OL is that our starting LG, C, and RG all would be backups on any other team (if only because most teams still use man-blocking). [B] And that our tackles still have a ways to go to be as good as our interior[/B].[/quote]

? Really???

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Likes:[LIST=1][*]Sexy Rexy...despite talking shit looked fantastic. I want to see Beck outdo him...lol.[*]Clemens played will despite not playing in the system for a long.[*]Tim Hightower...he knows what he is doing. Let's hope we see more downhill cuts than edge runs.[*]Offensive line unit. I loved how Monty played. Jamal Brown wasn't going as hard as the rest of them...let's hope it's a case of a vet not wanting to play hard in the pre-season and not a vet past his prime.[*]Play calling. Great job with variation. Good to see us get vertical and use deep drag routs. Those run fakes were awesome to see.[*]Defensive Line and Linebackers. Great hustle.[*]TE play. Great blocking and great catches. We're way too deep here. Sellers might be an odd man out if they are serious about converting him to a TE.[*]I am a huge Austin fan...the guy can play. Can we cut Kelly already?[*]For a rookie Niles Paul knows how to run routes.[/LIST]
Dislikes: [LIST=1][*]Our secondary is shit. Our starting corners are shit and our backup safeties are backups for a reason. There were at least 3 great opportunities for TDs the Steelers blew. There is no fcking way anyone can tell me Josh Wilson is a quality starting caliber CB in this league.[/LIST]

Apprehensions:[LIST=1][*]Karrigan's timid play. His coverage skills are shit. He is very mechanical right now but hopefully more playing time will fix that.[*]Leonard Hankerson looked like shit out there. He reminds me a lot of Devin Thomas with the way he played out there. Someone better tell him lazy players who play lazily don't last long in this league.[*]Jim Haslett. I am just not sure if this guy is up to the task of running a first class NFL defense. [*]Sexy Rex. I am worried he won't take what defenses give him. Davis was wide open on that deep play. You have to go there! No excuse for missing that at all.[/LIST]

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[quote=rbanerjee23;823170]I see a lot of o-line was good commentary on this thread -- watch the film, Will Montgomery against Casey Hampton was a joke. If Hampton hadn't left after the first drive, Rex would have been buried.

I am still worried about the interior - it's just the first preseason game but we're not out of the woods yet[/quote]

What game were you watching because it certainly wasn't the Redskins vs Steelers last night.

(thanks to Dirtbag for the game film)
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So Montgomery vs Hampton was a joke? I think the evidence clearly shows otherwise. You do realize that one play was a SCREEN pass right?

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[quote=Chico23231;823197]? Really???[/quote]Trent Williams and Jammal Brown are the biggest, quickest, most-physical lineman on the roster. I'm getting a little worried about the constant underachieving with these two. They both have the ability to take elite pass rushers one on one. They were beat too often last year.

As long as they are healthy, I think we'll be fine with them. Something tells me Locklear is going to make at least a couple starts this year, irregardless of injury.

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[quote=GTripp0012;823203]Trent Williams and Jammal Brown are the biggest, quickest, most-physical lineman on the roster. I'm getting a little worried about the constant underachieving with these two. They both have the ability to take elite pass rushers one on one. They were beat too often last year.

As long as they are healthy, I think we'll be fine with them. Something tells me Locklear is going to make at least a couple starts this year, irregardless of injury.[/quote]

Yeah they were beat last year, but thats in the past. Brown injury and Trent inexperienced. I think we will see improvement.

Locklear pick up was a good one and yeah I think he has the ability to start, ill be surprised if he does.