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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611]Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

A must read...a ton of current players involved. This could be very bad for the U.

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This isn't the first story of its' kind to come out, and it won't be the last. As more and more of these stories come out, it becomes harder to believe that this isn't as widespread as we are being led to believe. I'm sure once the story is corroborated, as it shouldn't be that hard considering all the evidence Yahoo Sports stacked up, the penalties on Miami will be harsh, as they should be considering coaches were involved and knew about this. I'm firmly starting to believe the NCAA needs to overhaul it's rule book though, because you can't keep singling out teams for this if it is indeed widespread. I love Virginia Tech but I'd be crazy to think it's not possible or not happening there.

The NCAA really needs to overhaul the way it thinks and operates, because it's becoming painfully obvious this kind of activity is an everyday occurence. It's not on the level of steroids in baseball, but the longer the NCAA ignores the bigger the consequences will be.

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Wow. Given the smackdown that Ohio State and USC have recently been handed by the NCAA, you gotta think a big ass hammer is getting ready to drop on The U. I can't stand that school or their fans, so I could care less.

I agree with Mooby, though. The NCAA has a HUGE problem with this, and they need to make some sort of sweeping changes. These issues are epidemic now. It's funny- it's all about $$ for the NCAA, but when individual players do things like sell game-worn jerseys for $$, they and their schools get in trouble. But the NCAA will turn around and sell that player's jersey and keep the proceeds.

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I also see in the article that that scumbag Shapiro would put bounties on players, including Tim Tebow. How'd that work out for you, Nevin? Tebow ran through The U in his only meeting against them....

That article is really staggering. The extent and audacity of some of that stuff is nuts. And it looks like members of the coaching staffs of both the basketball and football teams were in on it. Oh man.

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everyone kinda knew this stuff goes on, but wow, that's a lot of detail.

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[quote=Chico23231;823943][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611]Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

A must read...a ton of current players involved. This could be very bad for the U.[/quote]

For people to lazy to sort out the story heres the list of current Redskin players suspected to be involved.

Rocky McIntosh, Sean Taylor....um yeah list ends there. Whoopee.

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[quote=That Guy;823993]everyone kinda knew this stuff goes on, but wow, [B]that's a lot of detail[/B].[/quote]

Thats the intrigue. The level of detail along with pictures, documents & witnesses saying yeah they were there...pretty good evidence. I say this goes beyond a trading tatoos for an autograph or getting a car rented for a player. These kids were being treated to fantasy island

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Crazy that the AD of Miami is Paul Dee, the head of the NCAA Infractions Committee. Wow. I mean that's congressional level hypocrisy right there.

Pundits on the radio are saying that this could be SMU death penalty type stuff for their football program.

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This booster guy looked like he graduated from Douchebag U as well. What a slimeball, running a ponzi scheme cheating people outta cash and then using that money to cheat kids, college football and fans. Good lord, this guy needs a national honor for the highest level POS. I mean Miami deserves a ton of blame, but this guy is a real piece of work, he was seriously gettin off doing this stuff.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Whats funny to me is early in the 2000's Miami was awesome but since joining the ACC they really havent done much at all. It looks all this scandal stuff only really gave them them 1 maybe 2 years, coming after their BCS championship. So if Tech is doing it at least their doing it effectively. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The NCAA does need to do something though. The bcs system, these type of scandals, making tons money on kids and everything else is enough to turn a lot of people off. Im wondering if the NFL is gonna throw then NCAA a bone and not let Pyror enter the supp draft just because its one more headline that when combined with everything else just looks bad on the ncaa. Having alumnus Rosenthal as your agent cant help either. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Maybe SkinsCain has some insight?

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[quote=Chico23231;824037]This booster guy looked like he graduated from Douchebag U as well. What a slimeball, running a ponzi scheme cheating people outta cash and then using that money to cheat kids, college football and fans. Good lord, this guy needs a national honor for the highest level POS. I mean Miami deserves a ton of blame, but this guy is a real piece of work, he was seriously gettin off doing this stuff.[/quote]


Complete piece of shit

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Damn, some of these bounties are really going to cause some extra problems for the U.
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Miami-scandal-has-deep-and-massive-ties-to-curre?urn=nfl-wp5211]Miami scandal has deep and massive ties to current NFL players - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

I mean I know it's against the rules for the players to be treated to dinners and parties and use of a private boat, but I have to imagine the the NCAA is really going to come down extra hard if it can prove that they got $500 for an excessive celebration penalty or $1,000 bucks for a personal foul.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;824105]Damn, some of these bounties are really going to cause some extra problems for the U.
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Miami-scandal-has-deep-and-massive-ties-to-curre?urn=nfl-wp5211]Miami scandal has deep and massive ties to current NFL players - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

I mean I know it's against the rules for the players to be treated to dinners and parties and use of a private boat, but I have to imagine the the NCAA is really going to come down extra hard if it can prove that they got $500 for an excessive celebration penalty or $1,000 bucks for a personal foul.[/quote]

man i wouldnt be surprised if that hold over tradition from the Jimmy Johnson era...but yeah you sure as hell cant be paying players for that....tell ya a ton of big names in the NFL associated with this story.

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[quote=Chico23231;824116]man i wouldnt be surprised if that hold over tradition from the Jimmy Johnson era...but yeah you sure as hell cant be paying players for that....tell ya a ton of big names in the NFL associated with this story.[/quote]

I was suprised to see names like Jon Beason on the list. I always thought he was a good kid. I can give a pass for things like taking advantage of the dude's money, going to the club on his dime, etc. But playing harder to get a bounty on opposing players is unforgivable. And I say that knowing full well that Sean Taylor took advantage of it too.

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There F*cked. Plan and simple. SMU had less allegations than them, and less people that they dealt with. Rocky McIntosh, Sean Taylor, maybe Santana, maybe Clinton had to do with some of his dealings. Now I think they'll get the same thing USC got, but a little more worse, but not as bad as what SMU got, because, the NCAA realized how lopsided it was that they messed with SMU's program for a long, long time, and quiet frankly SMU still hasn't recovered from that death penalty.

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[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/08/16/miami.hurricanes.allegations.reaction/"]We ain't no "U" at SC[/URL]

"Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word 'Hypocrite.'"

Bravo, Mr. Mandel.

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[quote=itvnetop;824231][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/08/16/miami.hurricanes.allegations.reaction/"]We ain't no "U" at SC[/URL]

"Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word 'Hypocrite.'"

Bravo, Mr. Mandel.[/quote]

Some people are saying that Miami should avoid the "death penalty." I say why? It's one thing if players are sneaking benefits behind the back of coaches and administrators. It's another thing when multiple sports with not only players but numerous coaches and even the PRESIDENT of the University taking money ([URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=dw-why_miami_is_in_trouble_081611"]see Donna Shahala's pic[/URL] accepting a $50K check from Shapiro) from this sleazeball...

My point is, it's not just the players who are at fault, it's the coaches and head administrators at The U who not only looked the other way, but reaped the benefits as well. That program should go the way of the DoDo.

The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.

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[quote=GMScud;824269]The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.[/quote]So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change.

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i agree. nuke it. inell the players, ban the coaches, kill the program.

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[quote=GTripp0012;824275]So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change.[/quote]

idealy, those that don't take the warning and clean up immediately should get ban hammered.


If the NCAA wants to fix how it does business, that's fine, but if you never start enforcing your rules, then no one is ever going to follow them.

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This isn't a black and white deal. NCAA I-A football is a business. Major f*ing business. With lots of money. By enforcing their "rules" the NCAA is hurting their business. By ignoring their rules they end up killing real competition and hurting their business. They're in a real tough spot on this stuff. If there were an easy fix to the underlying problems then I think we can all be sure that the NCAA would have figured that out and implemented whatever changes were dictated. But whenever we are talking about a giant business with major money involved you're never going to eliminate pure human self-interest. It's what drives every single human-being alive. The only way for the NCAA to "fix" this is to fundamentally change what the sport is...which probably kills it as a business. Anyone think the NCAA is going to do that?

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How come an SEC team hasn't been caught in this wave (key phrase: This wave)? Shouldn't they be suspect number 1? For God's sake alumni would donate a kidney to 5 star recruits relative if they were to consider going to their school. Of course here in the South you would have to teach a lot of people what a kidney is but COME ON! Give me one SEC school. I just watched a 10 minute segment on the History channel talking about how College Football in the South. You have to find SOMETHING!

Of course I'll probably get my wish. "Yep those Vanderbilt Comadores just couldn't play by the rules, I tell you what."

Talk about the freaking Teflon conference. Tons of charges get filed but none of them ever stick.

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[quote=GMScud;824269]Some people are saying that Miami should avoid the "death penalty." I say why? It's one thing if players are sneaking benefits behind the back of coaches and administrators. It's another thing when multiple sports with not only players but numerous coaches and even the PRESIDENT of the University taking money ([URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=dw-why_miami_is_in_trouble_081611"]see Donna Shahala's pic[/URL] accepting a $50K check from Shapiro) from this sleazeball...

My point is, it's not just the players who are at fault, it's the coaches and head administrators at The U who not only looked the other way, but reaped the benefits as well. That program should go the way of the DoDo.

The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.[/quote]

I agree with you, but ask you to implore the scenario that the same thing could be going on at Florida, because it's certainly not limited to teams like Miami, USC, etc. If that is the case, are you prepared for Florida to face extremely harsh penalties like Miami is about to receive?

I feel like it's a little hypocritical of the NCAA to act like it's individual schools that are doing this, but in reality it's probably widespread amongst all the big name schools. The system needs to be fixed, and I don't think the NCAA is prepared to accept it.

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Auburn and Miss. St. had some run-ins last year. Just wait...the SEC can't possibly be clean enough to avoid this. Is anyone convinced that some level of these types of "infractions" aren't occurring at every major I-A school?

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[quote=mooby;824297]I agree with you, but ask you to implore the scenario that the same thing could be going on at Florida, because it's certainly not limited to teams like Miami, USC, etc. If that is the case, are you prepared for Florida to face extremely harsh penalties like Miami is about to receive?

I feel like it's a little hypocritical of the NCAA to act like it's individual schools that are doing this, but in reality it's probably widespread amongst all the big name schools. [B]The system needs to be fixed, and I don't think the NCAA is prepared to accept it.[/B][/quote]

"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.

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[quote=FRPLG;824299]"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.[/quote]

They won't even fix the BCS let alone the under the table deals that programs across the country use to "get an edge." NCAA is a terrible authority. Like some sort of messed up government where lassie-fare meets a dictatorship.

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I won't argue that the NCAA isn't terrible. I would say that the NCAA isn't in position to be as strong as many believe. Remember the BCS really has very little to do with the NCAA. It is a entirely different organization formed by the big conferences. But yes it is also awful. And yes the NCAA is clueless...I guess more accurately they're directionless. They don't necessarily have the priorities as to doing what is the most best for everyone involved. The operate from this arcane position of maintaining "amateurism" when the entire environment around these "amateurs" is about as least amateur as one could imagine.

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The way to make the best out of this crap is to view it as an opportunity. NCAA needs to admit they f'ed up in regulations and completely overhaul/change on how to enforce the rules. Or if they are going kill the NCAA as a business change the rules. Do something instead of idly sitting and letting it sink.

America is all about second chances. Come out, say you screwed up and try to change. The masses' opinion of the NCAA would be a lot better if they did that rather than the status quo.

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[quote=GTripp0012;824275]So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? [B]Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change[/B].[/quote]

I agree about your comments that the NCAA is useless here, but when you say "we," who do you mean? Who has oversight over the NCAA? No one really. Like that guy said, until they start enforcing their own rules, nothing is going to change.

For those of you who mention Florida, yeah, if this happened there I would be sick to my stomach as an alumnus, but I would expect the harshest of punishments.

Anyway, given that the NCAA is all about $, when you look at the massive deal the SEC just inked with ESPN, I'd be surprised if any of your SEC bellcow programs get in big trouble any time soon. And that's wrong.

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[quote=FRPLG;824299]"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.[/quote]

Pretty much. That's why I doubt anything will change. Miami will get harsh punishment, life will go on, and we'll forget about this until the next school gets charged.

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[quote=mooby;824667]Pretty much. That's why I doubt anything will change. Miami will get harsh punishment, life will go on, and we'll forget about this until the next school gets charged.[/quote]

And history suggest that Miami will one day be a powerhouse again, though it may take like 10 years. (See Alabama suspension).

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[quote=Dirtbag59;824708]And history suggest that Miami will one day be a powerhouse again, though it may take like 10 years. (See Alabama suspension).[/quote]

I don't know about that. SMU has never made it back.