Camp Battles- The journey to 53
 

This is a thread to discuss our many camp batlles.


Beck Vs. Grossman

Running backs

WR's

Let's talk camp battles and how things are progressing.

I think the Skins should keep both Royster and Helu. I would go with

Hightower
Helu
Royster
Torian - get's hurt too often.

Young
Williams

I would drop Sellars.

Wideouts

Terrance Austin over Banks

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[quote=diehardskin2982;825294]This is a thread to discuss our many camp batlles.


Beck Vs. Grossman

Running backs

WR's

Let's talk camp battles and how things are progressing.

I think the Skins should keep both Royster and Helu. I would go with

Hightower
Helu
Royster
Torian - get's hurt too often.

Young
Williams

I would drop Sellars.

Wideouts

Terrance Austin over Banks[/quote]

Not likely they'll keep 4 RBs and 2 FBs. I think it more likely they go 3/2 with Williams being the backup FB who can swing to RB. That means that Royster to me is probably practice squad. No worries though I am sure he ends up on the active roster at some point. I think our RBs have been an absolute revelation this pre-season...but I am thinking mostly we actually have linemen who have the skill-set to execute our running scheme. Last year..not as much.

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Because we have not seen Torian I am tempted to cut him. These kids are younger healthier options.

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THIS is a thread title a man can be proud of!!

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Alot of folks are talking about how many wideouts will we keep but I think we will keep more runners because that is going to be a more inportant part of this years offense.

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QB: grossy, becky, kelly
RB: hightower, helu, torrain (royster to PS)
WR: moss, gaff, stall, arm, hank, ?? (paul to PS, maybe robinson too, last spot is probably banks, since we won't ever need that many receivers, but might be austin)
TE: cooley, davis, paulsen
FB: keiland, young (though young could be stashed another year if they want sellers for STs)
OL: trent, brown, hicks, licht, chester, locklear, monty, ??, ?? (we need 2 more bodies, because the guys we're keeping in those last two spots are going to be pretty worthless, and normally we keep another 1-2 on the PS.. weakest depth spot)

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ST: gano, rocca, sundberg

DL: Bryant, Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Golston, Jenkins (neild to PS)
LB: rakpo, kerry, fletch, blades, rocky, lorenzo, perry, fox?
S: landry, OA, moore, gnomes, doughty
CB: hall, wilson, k barnes, buchanon, westbrook

that's 53, i think you can do 55 now though, so that's 1 LB, 2 OL and 2 ?? spots that don't have a really strong option right now. maybe we could keep 7 WRs :P or mike sellers... or both!

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QB: Beck , Grossman, Kellen,
RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain
FB: DY
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul
T: Twilliams, Sean Locklear, Jamaal Brown
G: Lichtenstreigher, Chris Chester, Artis Hicks,
C: Montgomery

23

DE: Jarvis, Carriker, Bowen, Scott
DT: Cofield, Bryant,
OLB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Lorenzo, Gibson
ILB: Fletch, Rocky, Fox, Riley
SS: Gomes, Landry, Horton
FS: Otogwe, Doughty, Moore
CB: Hall, Wilson, Barnes, Buchanon, westbrook

26

ST: Sundberg, Rocca, Gano

3

1 spot left open, I'd give that edge to Royster. (Could be Brandon Banks, or Keiland, or Mike Sellers, but he's a 4th string TE, Keilands and undrafted guy who had some production last year but Roysters been drafted so he gets the edge there. BB is good but injury and fumble prone and plays Returner only, where as royster would be a RB, 3rd down back (good pass protector), and a special teams player, even has been looked at as a returner.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;825328]
1 spot left open, I'd give that edge to Royster. (Could be Brandon Banks, or Keiland, or Mike Sellers, but he's a 4th string TE, Keilands and undrafted guy who had some production last year but Roysters been drafted so he gets the edge there. BB is good but injury and fumble prone and plays Returner only, where as royster would be a RB, 3rd down back (good pass protector), and a special teams player, even has been looked at as a returner.[/quote]

BB and sellers give you ST plays. royster would be inactive... royster can go to the PS too, so my guess is that's where he'd end up.

If they're serious about getting younger...and better...it's time for Sellers to go.

One kind of interesting thing, I hear that in practice they've been running a lot of plays this past week with Key Williams as the primary 3rd down back, not as a FB. So not sure what could mean.

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[quote=SmootSmack;825494]If they're serious about getting younger...and better...it's time for Sellers to go.

One kind of interesting thing, I hear that in practice they've been running a lot of plays this past week with Key Williams as the primary 3rd down back, not as a FB. So not sure what could mean.[/quote]I think it's because Keiland is going to be active on gamedays for his special teams abilities and our actual third RB (be it Torain or Royster) will not be very often, so it makes sense to use Keiland's versatility for that.

That and Helu's biggest weakness is pass pro, but he's almost certainly going to be the change of pace guy for Hightower at the beginning of the season.

It also probably means that Darrel Young has won the FB job.

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I feel like we haven't had a crop of talent at any position any time recently like we have at FB/TB. We have 3 guys who are legit caliber starting TBs. They're not HOFers but they could all be 1000 yarders in any decent offense. It's a shame at least one of them will be inactive on game days in favor of Williams. I mean he has to be our worst of the 5 guys likely to make the roster. But I guess this is a good "issue" to have.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-roster-breakdown-who-has-the-best-chance-of-making-the-team/2011/08/21/gIQAvTD8TJ_blog.html]Redskins roster breakdown: Who has the best chance of making the team? - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;825501]I feel like we haven't had a crop of talent at any position any time recently like we have at FB/TB. We have 3 guys who are legit caliber starting TBs. They're not HOFers but they could all be 1000 yarders in any decent offense. It's a shame at least one of them will be inactive on game days in favor of Williams. I mean he has to be our worst of the 5 guys likely to make the roster. But I guess this is a good "issue" to have.[/quote]I think we expected a lot of things from a Mike Shanahan roster and haven't received a whole lot in return. But here's an area where the backfield we expected when we were busy signing Larry Johnson and Willie Parker, well: it's here now. This is what a loaded backfield looks like.

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[quote=That Guy;825315]ST: gano, rocca, sundberg

DL: Bryant, Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Golston, Jenkins (neild to PS)
LB: rakpo, kerry, fletch, blades, rocky, lorenzo, perry, fox?
S: landry, OA, moore, gnomes, doughty
CB: hall, wilson, k barnes, buchanon, westbrook

that's 53, i think you can do 55 now though, so that's 1 LB, 2 OL and 2 ?? spots that don't have a really strong option right now. maybe we could keep 7 WRs :P or mike sellers... or both![/quote]


So you you have Gnomes making the team over Horton? I can live with that. Horton really hasn't been the same from a couple of years ago when he was racking up interceptions and then later got injured.

It would be nice if all the Huskers made the active roster.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;825297]Because we have not seen Torian I am tempted to cut him. These kids are younger healthier options.[/quote]

I doubt it -- torain was having a pretty nice season for us and his experience alone gives him an advantage over royster and helu. Torain, Helu, and Hightower will make the roster with Royster going to the PS -- that being said, I hope we can hang on to Royster and not have someone claim him

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[quote=12thMan;825510]So you you have Gnomes making the team over Horton? I can live with that. Horton really hasn't been the same from a couple of years ago when he was racking up interceptions and then later got injured.

It would be nice if all the Huskers made the active roster.[/quote]

yeah, I just don't see the spot for him. doughty is no world beater, and if he's starting, your team's in trouble (just not fast enough), but he's competent and horton has just looked... awful. too many blown coverages. gomes had a couple good plays and hasn't seemed any worse, and he fights less ;) .

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If Niles can make the squad, all the Huskers will probably make it.

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I've really been impressed with Austin. I think he's ready to contribute this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;825535]I've really been impressed with Austin. I think he's ready to contribute this year.[/quote]

Austin definitely stays. His ability to do more than one thing enhances his chances. Some tough decisions at RB & WR.

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Does anybody know when the roster cut down dates are?

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[quote=SmootSmack;825494]If they're serious about getting younger...and better...it's time for Sellers to go.

One kind of interesting thing, I hear that in practice they've been running a lot of plays this past week with Key Williams as the primary 3rd down back, not as a FB. So not sure what could mean.[/quote]

Hey Smack what is Clinton Portis up to these days????? Any info?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;825558]Hey Smack what is Clinton Portis up to these days????? Any info?[/quote]

Check out the Portis thread, he's working out with the Pats.

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[quote=mooby;825554]Does anybody know when the roster cut down dates are?[/quote]

Rosters go from 90 players to 75 players.
Aug 30th
4:00 PM

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Dang it!!! If we only had Trung Candidate back.... i think he could propel us to a division title.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ige_P5F0NJA]2003 Redskins - Matt Bowen Drills Trung Candidate - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;825559]Check out the Portis thread, he's working out with the Pats.[/quote]

I even mentioned it in the NFL FA thread

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[quote=12thMan;825561]Rosters go from 90 players to 75 players.
Aug 30th
4:00 PM[/quote]

80 players

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[quote=SmootSmack;825565]80 players[/quote]

Wait, so we go from what to what on Aug 30th?

Redskins.com is says from 90 to 75.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/event/First-Round-of-Roster-Cuts-201108301600/4b60a944-506b-4088-9320-e0a3a4ddc8ff]First Round of Roster Cuts[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;825567]Wait, so we go from what to what on Aug 30th?

Redskins.com is says from 90 to 75.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/event/First-Round-of-Roster-Cuts-201108301600/4b60a944-506b-4088-9320-e0a3a4ddc8ff]First Round of Roster Cuts[/url][/quote]

That's wrong. NFL notified all teams on I think Thursday that bc of the lockout it would be cut down to 80 players, not 75. I don't have any link on me though

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[quote=SmootSmack;825570]That's wrong. NFL notified all teams on I think Thursday that bc of the lockout it would be cut down to 80 players, not 75. I don't have any link on me though[/quote]

I found some clarification here. You are correct. Thanks.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/20/2374669/nfl-roster-cuts-dates-deadline-details]NFL Roster Cuts: Teams Must Trim To 80 Players By August 30 Deadline - SBNation.com[/url]

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With all these tough decisions and players looking good, I'm worried about the redskins players that are cut and getting picked up by other teams. I'm especially worried about the eagles (and giants, to a lesser extent) cherry-picking.

The eagles have been known to do that in the past- like with Antonio Dixon, who currently is one of their starting DTs. They need some cheap depth at some spots and are probably drooling at the possibilities with who the redskins cut. The Giants are on the opposite spectrum because they have been really inactive in free agency and also have a couple of injuries at key spots. They are looking for depth and also looking at some key positions to bolster like wide receiver.

Both teams would be chomping at the bit to give Banks a chance, even given his injury history. Both teams may also be looking for a third or fourth wideout and watching the redskins roster closely -- either at Terrence Austin or Donte Stallworth. Or maybe even one of the redskins rookies not named Hankerson -- he's definitely one to hold on to :)

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That'd be intieresting if Stallworth went back to the Eagles

There is a rumor, and I don't know how legit it is, that Banks will not play this Thursday (actually I think that is confirmed) and will most likely be placed on injured reserve. Again, I haven't been able to confirm it so for now this is just a rumor.

But if true, I guess it's one way to get around having to make a decision on whether to cut him. But it also means no Banks for the entire year.

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So if Stallworth went to the Eagles and Banks goes to IR (I also saw he wasn't suiting up Thurs), does that mean Niles makes the team?

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I mean I don't think Stallworth is going to the Eagles, just for the record. I was just responding to warriorzpath's post

I think right now we're looking at

Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Hankerson
Austin

If we keep a 6th, my guess is it's Paul and Stallworth probably doesn't have much value as a 6th inactive receiver. Paul may not either...this year. But he'd be a part of our future.

But I think it depends on how much confidence they have in Hankerson and Austin to be the #4 and #5 receivers

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1: Moss
2: Gaffney
3: Austin
4: Armstrong
5: Hankerson

I really think that is what the order is going to be - Austin is just too damn good to keep off the field and if my top 3 are on the field at the same time, it would be the perfect opportunity for Moss to drop into the slot and Gaffney and Austin to play wide

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That's what I'd like it to be. Just not sure it will be

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I think that last WR spot will come down to Stallworth/Paul.


edit: Very well could be Paul since Stallworth doesn't play special teams.

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[quote=NC_Skins;825617]I think that last WR spot will come down to Stallworth/Paul.


edit: Very well could be Paul since Stallworth doesn't play special teams.[/quote]

may as well give it to paul -- keep a young guy who has got upside since he's not going to get a whole lot of playing time any way.

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paul can go on the PS and wait a year. i'm surprised no one thinks stallworth is going to make the team, he's the 3rd best WR we have as far as production. If he's cut (or austin) they'll definitely find work.

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[quote=That Guy;825629]paul can go on the PS and wait a year. i'm surprised no one thinks stallworth is going to make the team, he's the 3rd best WR we have as far as production. If he's cut (or austin) they'll definitely find work.[/quote]

Paul would be picked up off waivers before he ever came near or practice squad.