Tripoli About to be Taken Over by Rebels
 

I'm following on Al Jazeera English

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Wow.....That shocks me! It will be weird to see the formation and makeup of the new Govt.

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What? Killed?

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Sorry I'm not up to date. Good guy or bad guy?

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Getting conflicting reports on Gaddafi so I dropped that from the title. Heard his son was captured and he was killed. Not sure now.

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Here's a link.

[url=http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/]Watch Now - Al Jazeera English[/url]

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There is speculation that he may have fled to Algeria, perhaps weeks ago. Who knows, but it's looking doubtful that he's still in Tripoli.

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Frying pan - fire.

Things won't be getting better any time soon but at least they have an opportunity to become a Democracy.

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Related oil futures trading * 1% lower. Markets seem to view Qaddafi overthrow as a positive for supply.

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[quote=RedskinRat;825555]Frying pan - fire.

Things won't be getting better any time soon but at least they have an opportunity to become a Democracy.[/quote]

Yeah what plays out in Libya now will be interesting.

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[quote=SmootSmack;825546]Getting conflicting reports on Gaddafi so I dropped that from the title. Heard his son was captured and he was killed. Not sure now.[/quote]

I heard his son surrendered during a firefight. So now I'm definitely not sure.

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Think I heard that one surrendered and the other was captured

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It's about time that the regime change was completed and the bloodshed (hopefully) was finally brought to an end.

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Yeah, but to who's benefit is Qaddafi's overthrow? The whole thing was orchestrated because Qaddafi was going to nationalize the oil completely. He gave the Libyan people a pretty good deal. A newly married couple got free housing, real cheap food prices, gas prices were ridiculously low. Free college and a car to go with it. I know the guy was a sponsor of terrorism in the 80's, but he pretty much did a 180 from that. Helped the CIA against Al Qaeda, etc. To me we have 3 possible outcomes: an Islamist state, a true pro Western democracy, or just another puppet regime of the West. In two of the 3 cases it will be bad for us. We do not need another Islamist regime so close to Europe, and if we set up a puppet regime, that will take away the freebies, you will eventually get another anti West regime change later on down the road. I can hear those crazy fools yelling "Great Satan" a few years down the road. We really should have let the Europeans handle this, and if they couldn't let them fall. NATO is of no use to the United States anymore, and is a big economic liability.

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[quote=GMScud;825578]Yeah what plays out in Libya now will be interesting.[/quote]

Agree, this is a lot different from what happened in Egypt. The opposition seems less organized and has shown no problem spilling blood. This could get really ugly if the UN, Italy, France etc. doesnt get a security force in there. Lotta loyalist in Tripoli and Tripoli is a big city. Gaddafi's resistence not to leave is gonna end up costing alot of lives in that country.

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[quote=Chico23231;825622]Agree, this is a lot different from what happened in Egypt. The opposition seems less organized and has shown no problem spilling blood. This could get really ugly if the UN, Italy, France etc. doesnt get a security force in there. Lotta loyalist in Tripoli and Tripoli is a big city. Gaddafi's resistence not to leave is gonna end up costing alot of lives in that country.[/quote]


I think that is the idea, get Western boots on the ground to physically take over the nation ala Afghanistan and dictate by setting up a puppet regime. Those loyalists aren't going away, and a lot of Libyans will join them if the new regime is forced to take IMF/ World Bank dictates and end the subsidies and the nice check they get from the oil profits. Oil profits that will now go mostly to BP and out of the country, where before most of the profits stayed in Libya. Many Libyans might be rejoicing now, but in 5-10 years they will be looking back at the good ole days of Qadaffi. Food prices and gas prices are really going to rise for those people. I mean 15 cents for a loaf of bread, free housing for newlyweds, free college and a car, etc. Cheap utilities, that will no doubt be forced by the IMF/World Bank to be privatized for profit, which is what all this crap is about.

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The oil is the big thing. Every time the US/UK intervenes, throws a coup or invades, it is about natural resources(oil) or pipelines(Afghanistan). In fact we helped put Qaddafi in charge because King Isidris was going to nationalize the oil. The Iraqi Royal Family was gunned down in a coup for wanting to get a fair shake from BP. And the granddaddy of them all, the 1953 coup against Mossadekh in Iran. Every time someone in the ME want to nationalize or partially nationalize their oil, they get taken down. The new twist to all this is if a ME nation pushes for a diversification of what currency ME oil is bought in. Saddam wanted it to be bought in Euros, the Iranians want the same thing. We already took out Saddam, and are itching to take out Iran. The nuclear crap is just another WMD type fiasco. Enriched uranium at 20% isn't close to being weapons grade, and the Mossad is definitely in there, and will take care of them if they ever did come close to weapons grade uranium/plutonium. They whack nuclear scientists at will in Iran. The fact that Israel now has 6 Dauphin nuclear attack subs from Germany should dispel any fear that the Iranians are going to nuke Israel or anybody else. If the Israelis even have one of those subs fully armed with nukes, they can blackmail the entire ME, in doing their bidding. If they have all 6 armed with nukes, well all bets are off. They would have to power to wipe out entire continents if not the entire globe.

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Well........I paid $3.85 at the pump for diesel yesterday. Do you see that going up or down...God, I hope the UK doesn't get all the diesel!

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Hard to tell, but gas went sky high even after we took Iraq, so who knows. Remember now , it is all about monopoly so prices could stay the same or go a bit higher. I doubt BP is going to ramp up production, just take over what Qaddafi nationalized or wanted to.

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[url=http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/08/22/obamas-second-nobel-prize-bet-on-it-now/]Obama Topples Gadhafi, Shoe-in for second Nobel Prize | TheBlaze.com[/url]

At the end of this article it says that if someone wins 3 Nobel Peace Prizes they rename the award to your name!!!!!

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It was just a matter of time...Let's hope Bashar al-Assad is next.

Why is it that dictators never go away quietly? Seriously, transfer some stash somewhere and go retire quietly before the shit hits the fan.

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Too funny:

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[QUOTE=saden1;825691]It was just a matter of time...Let's hope Bashar al-Assad is next.

Why is it that dictators never go away quietly? Seriously, transfer some stash somewhere and go retire quietly before the shit hits the fan.[/QUOTE]

In the case of qaddafi I think he is quite delusional and he he believes alot of the stuff he says. Also these guys have been in power for such a long time they probably don't feel they could lose control.

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[quote=saden1;825692]Too funny:

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I'll have to say I agree with him. We sink money and lives into these things and get nothing but more dept and hate from over there. Why not get something in return.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;825625]The oil is the big thing. Every time the US/UK intervenes, throws a coup or invades, it is about natural resources(oil) or pipelines(Afghanistan). [/quote]

Yes, we're stealing their oil, as reflected by out current absurdly low prices....<rolls_eyes>


[quote=GusFrerotte;825625]The new twist to all this is if a ME nation pushes for a diversification of what currency ME oil is bought in. Saddam wanted it to be bought in Euros, the Iranians want the same thing. [/quote]

Euros? Yes, the Euro is a fine example of 'stable currency'.....<rolls_eyes>

[quote=GusFrerotte;825625]We already took out Saddam, and are itching to take out Iran. The nuclear crap is just another WMD type fiasco.[/quote]

Except for the fact they admit they have more centrifuges than they know what to do with (for civillian purposes), added to the fact they have ICBM technology. Would you want to be Israel and have a psychotic neighbor who's stated intent is to wipe you from the map?

Israel is the only successful democracy in the ME, they deserve our support.

Anyone else concerned at the Muslim Brotherhood being poised to sweep the region?

It won't end well.

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[quote=firstdown;825709]I'll have to say I agree with him. We sink money and lives into these things and get nothing but more dept and hate from over there. Why not get something in return.[/quote]


Yeah i agree too, to some extent. Either way not too sure whats funny or outlandish about his remarks?

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[quote=mlmpetert;825716]Yeah i agree too, to some extent. Either way not too sure whats funny or outlandish about his remarks?[/quote]

The part where he says "to the victor goes the spoils of war" which entails procurement of goods without consent. Then he says we should charge them which entails having an agreement in place to remove a dictator for a fee. If the united states wishes to be a mercenary force that's fine...just spell it out up front.

Oh, and lets not forget who are talking about removing here...someone the United States and its NATO allies have deemed a threat which raises the question who is being helped here?

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[quote=hooskins;825700]In the case of qaddafi I think he is quite delusional and he he believes alot of the stuff he says. Also these guys have been in power for such a long time they probably don't feel they could lose control.[/quote]


The game is the game I guess.

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Not sure who's the bigger jackass this guy, or the crazy guy who went hunting of osama in pakistan last year?

[url=http://gawker.com/5836647/clueless-ucla-math-major-joins-libyan-rebels]Clueless UCLA Math Major Joins Libyan Rebels[/url]

[QUOTE=mlmpetert;830222]Not sure who's the bigger jackass this guy, or the crazy guy who went hunting of osama in pakistan last year?

[url=http://gawker.com/5836647/clueless-ucla-math-major-joins-libyan-rebels]Clueless UCLA Math Major Joins Libyan Rebels[/url][/QUOTE]

Haha that's an Onion article coming to life.

Looks like they may have got him:
[url]http://m.cnn.com/primary/_rpf90O-iS4MdHP4s9s[/url]

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No thoughts on this? Occupy Types" are more interesting?

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I'm a bit stunned no one is commenting on this. I've been waiting to see if anyone would. Maybe only some of us recall the 1980s and the Lockerbie bombing, among other things. This guy was as feared as any leader. But was soon forgotten with the "rise" of Saddam and Bin Laden.

So now in less than a year, Mubarak is overthrown and exiled, and Bin Laden and Gadhafi are dead. Unbelievable

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Syria needs to be next.

Catching Qaddafy is a big moment not just for the Arab world but for the globe. It also is a huge moment for Libya, which has been marginalized by other countries, including Arab countries, for decades. Now Libyans can begin to join the mainstream of world culture and can have a democratic voice in their own affairs.

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Gadhafi looks good in red

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[Quote=UCLA Math Major who joined the rebels]
Journalists reporting on Libya's civil war have stumbled upon 21-year-old UCLA math student Chris Jeon, who has joined the Libyan rebels because "[B]It is the end of my summer vacation, so I thought it would be cool to join the rebels."[/B]
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:doh:

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Jeon bought an $800 one-way plane ticket from L.A. to Cairo two weeks ago, then snuck across the boarder into Libya. He of course has no actual affinity for the rebels: "[B]At spring break I told my friends a 'sick' vacation would be to come here and fight with the rebels[/B]," he told a Christian Monitor reporter. And he is about as good a soldier as you would expect, according to the National:
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:doh:

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"[B]How do you fire this thing[/B]?" he asked on Wednesday as a bearded rebel handed him an AK-47. Locating the trigger of the assault rifle and switching off the safety, Mr Jeon fired it in the air in two short bursts.
"I want to fight in Sirte!" he proclaimed, using hand gestures and pointing west towards Sirte. Whether the rebels understood him was far from clear. "[B]It's hard to communicate. I don't really speak any Arabic[/B]," he said.
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:doh::doh:

Also, good for Libya now that Qaddafi is dead.

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Not sure what to say about this other than - - "Hooray!!"

Another dictator gone. I hope that the revolutionaries are able to set up a representative government and not another dime store "revolutionary council" that is simply a front for another tribal oligarchical autocracy.

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This is how you win against dictators. Turn their people against them and help them not invade their country and invest in trillion dollars and countless American lives for ungodly amount of years without any help.

Another victory notch for Obama and co. They managed to do what a lot of administrations couldn't do....Give it up!

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[quote=saden1;850062]This is how you win against dictators. Turn their people against them and help them not invade their country and invest in trillion dollars and countless American lives for ungodly amount of years without any help.

Another victory notch for Obama and co. They managed to do what a lot of administrations couldn't do....Give it up![/quote]

Yes. Obama deserves credit for what he did do...and what he didn't do...to bring about a desired result.

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[url=http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gaddafi-sharia-islamic-law/2011/10/23/id/415429?s=al&promo_code=D502-1]Libyan Leader Declares Nation Islamic, Sharia Law to be Implemented[/url]