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skinsguy 01-02-2005 05:41 PM

Now Let The Speculations Begin!
 
Okay, the season is officially over! Who stays? Who leaves? The only one I think will most likely be gone next season is Rod Gardner. I think Thrash and Jacobs will see more playing time next season. Morton MAY be gone as well...still not sure though.....

Hopefully Smoot and Pierce will stay.

skins009 01-02-2005 06:00 PM

Smoot will be back hopefully, Gardner is gone for sure. I would say Morton is out to just bc of his salary. I have no idea whats gonna happen with Samuels. I been watching him lately and he is not a good run blocker but has beeb real good in pass blocking lately. Don't know whats gonna happen there.

juggernaunt 01-02-2005 06:54 PM

[b]brunnell, Morton, Barrow, Hall All Cuts, Samuels, Gardner, And Possibly Smoot Traded. Draft A De Then Center[/b]

MTK 01-02-2005 06:58 PM

Brunell isn't going to be cut, Barrow is also very unlikely to be cut.

RedskinRat 01-02-2005 07:14 PM

Don't see Smoot getting traded either, key player soulwise

Gmanc711 01-02-2005 07:14 PM

There is absolutley no point in cutting Mike Barrow until training camp. His salary cap isnt very much at all, so why cut him, when he could still possibly be a contributor to us? I say he's here until at least training camp, when we can take a look at him, get him in some preseason games, and see if he still has the value that we thought he had when we picked him up.

Brunell isnt going anywhere, because even if we cut him after June 1st, 2006 is a huge cap year for us and we couldnt afford to take that hit from him. Hopefully we can get him to restructure a little bit and help us out that way.

I think Samuels will be back, hopefully with a new deal. I think that he knows he wont get a whole ton of money if he is traded elseswhere or if we cut him, so I think we have an advantage in those negotiations, which are already ongoing apparently.

I dont know about Smoot. I really hope everything we heard this week was just crap, and I know I really want him back. However, the wayt htings are unfolding right now, I think he might be gone, which is ashame. If he is, I dont think we should sign some big name FA, get maybe Baxter from Baltimore or even just let Walt Harris start. I really hope we can get Smoot back, but shouldnt break the bank.

Gardner is gone. He's was non-existant today.


Peirce has turned into the #1 priority. We need this guy back, he single handely runs our defense. He should get a nice contract, especially since he decided to come back to us, when he could have taken the money last year and gone to the Vikings. If Smoot dosent resign, there should be no reason we dont get Perice back. Great Season, Antonio!

As for new guys....
A new Center. The other guys on our line are at least capable of playing well, with some better coaching. Our center, however, is getting killed on a consitent basis. He's just not very good, I wont question his effort, but he's just not a good linemen right now.
Otherwise on the line, maybe draft a guy, and keep trying to develop Molinaro and Wilson. Hopefully our line looks like this next year Samuels,Dockery,New Center,Thomas,Jansen.

I've heard alot of people calling for a new TE latley, but I've been pretty impressed by Robert Royal latley. I'm not saying we cant bring someone in, but I dont think we should sign an expensive guy because Royal could be what we want.

Draft Day.... I say we go with a defensive end in the first round. I think Pollack from Georgia would be a great fit and is a "Joe Gibbs type of player". Plus he is proboly going to be a late first rounder, so we might be able to trade down.

Alot of people like Mike Williams, and when I really do as well, I think the reason our recivers have struggled have been the types of routes they run. I think today we really showed some new routes, getting guys going across the feild. So I think it was more the scheme than the players. Thrash really showed me he could be a contributor to us as well. I think Coles is still a #1, we might need to get a guy for #2, possibly Jerry Porter if he dosent want a ton of money, but even Thrash might be able to step it up.

So on Draft Day I like.... DE (1st), WR (2/3rd depending on trades), then a lineman, d-lineman, and a defensive back to try to develop in the second day.

PSUskinsfan11 01-02-2005 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I've heard alot of people calling for a new TE latley, but I've been pretty impressed by Robert Royal latley. I'm not saying we cant bring someone in, but I dont think we should sign an expensive guy because Royal could be what we want.

Draft Day.... I say we go with a defensive end in the first round. I think Pollack from Georgia would be a great fit and is a "Joe Gibbs type of player". Plus he is proboly going to be a late first rounder, so we might be able to trade down.

[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with the Royal comment. He was slowed by some injuries his first couple years but he is looking pretty good when he is healthy. I also agree with getting a DE. Wynn is solid but has a big contract and Daniels is good when he is healthy. I wouldn't mind us resigning Warner, Evens or both of them to back up. I say we get a stud DE like Erasmus James in the draft.....Gibbs needs a new version of DEXTER MANLEY!!!!!!

Daseal 01-02-2005 08:06 PM

The knock on Royal is he isn't a good blocker. I want a TE that's simply an extention of the offensive line, yet can roll out and nab a pass now and again.

skins009 01-02-2005 08:07 PM

All i know is cory raymer is probably the worst center of all time.

monk81 01-02-2005 08:08 PM

Brunell and Samuels need to restructure...........we need to re-sign Pierce, and Smoot providing he doesn't want too much. I see Morton gone and at WR Gardner should be GONE...doesn't Thrash's performance and Gardner's one catch say it all.....We need to upgrade the line at center and although 42 year old Ray Brown has been playing his heart out...how much longer can he play effectively ...........

Draft........DE, O line, WR..................

Gmanc711 01-02-2005 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=skins009]All i know is cory raymer is probably the worst center of all time.[/QUOTE]


You wont find many people who will debate that. I agree.

offiss 01-02-2005 08:09 PM

[QUOTE=skins009]All i know is cory raymer is probably the worst center of all time.[/QUOTE]


Got that right, he's a major part of our running problem's.

Gmanc711 01-02-2005 08:29 PM

Question for everyone:

If the Giants win Tonight, we Play @ Tampa Bay and home for Chicago Next year. Get a better draft pick

If the Cowboys win, we play @ Carolina and home for Detroit, get a worse (By like a pick) draft pick.

Who would you guys rather play next year? I'll take option a, becaues I dont want to go to Carolina.

Drift Reality 01-02-2005 08:38 PM

The only guy I see whose future seems clearly in jeopardy, would be Rod Gardiner - he doesn't get it done on or off the field.

Besides, I saw Taylor Jacobs make some great plays today, and I think he is a starter in this league next year.

I agree with everyone who posted that we need to upgrade at center and at defensive end. I think our starting lineups will look something like this at the beginning of training camp next year:

QB - Ramsey
RB - Portis
HB - Cooley
TE - Royal
WR - Coles
WR - Jacobs
LT - Samuels
LG - Dockery
C - New Acquisition
RG - Thomas
RT - Jansen

DE - Daniels
DE - New Acquisition
DT - Griffin
DT - Salave'a
OLB - Washington
OLB - Arrington
MLB - Pierce
CB - Smoot
CB - Springs
SS - Bowen
FS - Taylor

Boy, that felt good to write out -

If that is not a lineup to be reckoned with, I don't know what is.

Go Skins!

jdlea 01-02-2005 08:59 PM

I think the Skins need to get rid of Bowen, Morton, Kozlowski (worst TE ever), and Raymer. That's it. Start Clark because he's way better than whack ass Bowen. I say keep our receivers and add a bunch of bodies to fight it out with them in the preseason. They need to draft a DE in the first round.

Big C 01-02-2005 09:39 PM

we definitely need a new Center, i think everyone on this site agrees. he gets too many penalties and allows a lot of pressure.

I was a Rod Gardner fan, but it may be his time to go. The way Thrash has played all season, the heart he shows, and the game he had today shows that he can be a #2 or 3 reciever. Jacobs can also play #2 or 3.

I hope Wynn comes back next year, he has been very solid and a good locker room presence. I heard that he was contemplating retirement somewhere, so i hope that it is not true, or he decides to come back.

Bringing in a new DE would be nice, but not necessary. I like the idea of the trade down to get Pollack, who doesnt have all the physical skills, but is a blue collar player that Gibbs would appreciate.

At the center position, i dont think drafting a guy is the way to go. we need someone with experience, a free agent that is saavy. I believe domanic raiola of the lions is a Free Agent, so looking at him might be a good idea.

Try and re-sign smoot, it would be nice to have him back, but i think we can survive without him if we have to. I think we would still be top 10 without him, Walt Harris can play, and so can Springs, but both are around 30 years old.

Cut Kozlowski, he seems to have a lot of heart, but i cant forget that dropped pass he had in the Cowboys game, that was picked off because of him

Cut Morton, Antonio brown seems a lot better and will come much cheaper

do not cut barrow, for it will have to financial benefit, and i think he only has 1 more year

Keep the o-line in tact except for Raymer. Dockery has potential, samuels is experienced and has potential, and with jansen and thomas, we may have the best right side in the league. Hopefully Samuels restructures to help us a little

brunell must restructure his contract, he has hinted that it is a possibility in the washington post

Late in the draft, take a safety and a defensive tackle, and maybe a tight end, although i really like royal, he has good hands and has a nose for the endzone

DO NOT bring in another QB, unless brunell retires or something drastic happens. P Ram need not have anymore competition

And finally, we MUST resign Pierce. He wants to be here, and he is a great, great player.


We do not need a roster overhaul, we are pretty close i think

jrocx69 01-02-2005 10:11 PM

disagree, we need a DE, ITS A MUST!!!

we pass it up every year, and there is several out there waiting to get drafted.

first i would like to trade down and get a good 4th for 5th rounder extra, maybe squeez a 3rd in.
second option is to use what we have, and the names should be on the table:

E. James
D. Pollack
M. Kiwankia
M. Spears
D. Cody

bedlamVR 01-02-2005 10:30 PM

Worring signs comming out in the press about Smoot, Samuels and Gardner.

I liked Gardner but we would make a saving against the cap and be able to give a PS like Scott Colman (sp) a shot of making the roster . Behind Gardner we have McCants, who may be gone, Taylor and Trash both of who should be ahead of Gardner right now. That said i seriously do not want to go after Williams if avaialable. We have drafted a WR with our top pick in Gardner, Taylor and effectivly Coles. If we have a chance trade down.

Big C 01-03-2005 12:36 AM

[QUOTE=jrocx69]disagree, we need a DE, ITS A MUST!!!

we pass it up every year, and there is several out there waiting to get drafted.

first i would like to trade down and get a good 4th for 5th rounder extra, maybe squeez a 3rd in.
second option is to use what we have, and the names should be on the table:

E. James
D. Pollack
M. Kiwankia
M. Spears
D. Cody[/QUOTE]

Why is DE a must? didnt we end up #2 with the ones we have? and with daniels out most of the season.

Gmanc711 01-03-2005 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Big C]Why is DE a must? didnt we end up #2 with the ones we have? and with daniels out most of the season.[/QUOTE]

We did, but the lack of passrush at times of 3rd and longs killed us at times this season. They were exellent against the run, dont get me wrong there, and I'm happy with the play, but they just dont generate a passrush if they dont have help from blitzing.

skinsguy 01-03-2005 02:14 AM

[QUOTE=jdlea]I think the Skins need to get rid of Bowen, Morton, Kozlowski (worst TE ever), and Raymer. That's it. Start Clark because he's way better than whack ass Bowen. I say keep our receivers and add a bunch of bodies to fight it out with them in the preseason. They need to draft a DE in the first round.[/QUOTE]


I agree with Morton, Kozlowski, and Raymer, but not Bowen. I think Bowen was doing a pretty decent job before he got hurt.

Big C 01-03-2005 02:25 AM

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]We did, but the lack of passrush at times of 3rd and longs killed us at times this season. They were exellent against the run, dont get me wrong there, and I'm happy with the play, but they just dont generate a passrush if they dont have help from blitzing.[/QUOTE]

i agree, but that doesnt make it a MUST. i think it would be very nice to draft a DE in the first round, but we certainly arent doomed if we dont. that is how i interpret a must.

offiss 01-03-2005 02:35 AM

I really like this kid Antonio Brown, I hope we lock him up yesterday, Morton's value to us is very little, this kid Brown is a much better kick returner, we already have a 50 million dollar 3rd down back in Portis so I don't see Morton fitting in.

jrocx69 01-03-2005 05:10 AM

[QUOTE=Big C]i agree, but that doesnt make it a MUST. i think it would be very nice to draft a DE in the first round, but we certainly arent doomed if we dont. that is how i interpret a must.[/QUOTE]
its a must hands down, we need to get a decent pass rush with out having to blitz as much. so its a must we FINALLY get it done. im tired of the over paid DL we get to get hurt or suck for years. ex: big flabby and suckiefield

jrocx69 01-03-2005 05:16 AM

oh yeah, its a must because WE HAVENT HAD A DECENT PASS RUSH FROM OUR FRONT FOUR IN OVER A DECADE, AND WE DIDNT REALLY HAVE ONE PERIOD TIL THIS SEASON. but if we had a DE that gave a constant pass rush this season, we would have been unstoppable. add a speed rusher DE with clemons, arrington, washington, and along side griffin..... wooooooooo damn we would kill, and definitely keep opponets on their heels.

Redskins8588 01-03-2005 05:25 AM

Yeah it wouldnt hurt us to have a DE that could rush with great speed!!!

drew54 01-03-2005 10:45 AM

Matt Roth- DE - IOWA HAWKEYES

There is our DE. Ok, so I am biased since I am a huge Hawkeye fan. I seriously think with this draft we should consider trading down, draft for some depth at OL DL and CB. If we get lucky Bugel will find us some diamond in the rough center. I agree that we should resign Smoot, but at a reasonable price. I agree with Drift Reality's roster. We only need two, maybe three new starters.

skinsguy 01-03-2005 10:47 AM

We need a good DE and a TE for the offense and we'll be just fine.

jdlea 01-03-2005 10:57 AM

Matt Bowen is a decent safety in run support and he can blitz, but I hate seeing him in pass coverage. I, personally, felt that last season with Ohelete and Bowen starting we had the worst starting safeties in football. I think Ryan Clark should, at the very least, take over as the starter. I just don't like Bowen, I thought I would, but he's been unimpressive as a starter. He was beaten very badly in the Giants game this year and Keyshawn beat him for one of his few touchdowns last season.

skinsguy 01-03-2005 11:00 AM

What you have to remember about Bowen in that season is that he wasn't playing the position that was most suited for him. This year before his injury he was and playing it pretty well. I agree I don't think he's the best at coverage, but I felt he was impressive with the Blitz and especially his tackling.

MTK 01-03-2005 11:01 AM

Bowen is definitely worth keeping around for depth and his blitzing abilities. He seemed to be fitting in nicely in Williams' attacking style of D.

jdlea 01-03-2005 11:09 AM

I loved Sam Shade because he was good at everything that Bowen is and people wanted to crucify me for saying that Ohelete shouldn't start. I like Bowen's energy and I would like him as a backup, I just don't think he should start. I think he could be like a way better version of Todd Franz and that would be fine.

BTW, Bowen isn't nearly as good as Sam Shade was.

Redskins_P 01-03-2005 11:14 AM

Boy do I wish Bowen played the whole season. Everyone would probably love him. He looked like a great fit early in the season. Its too bad he got injured so early

skinsguy 01-03-2005 11:17 AM

I liked Sam Shade as well and him being better than Bowen may or may not be true. At this point, it doesn't really matter since Shade isn't playing for us anymore. Ryan Clark has had a season to step in and play, so with Clark having the experience, he may very well be ten times better than Bowen...but at the beginning of the season this wasn't true.

Either way, I expect both to get loads of playing time next season.

jdlea 01-03-2005 11:30 AM

I have kinda rethought my position on the Bowen issue since I said he should be cut. I think if he would be willing to accept a lesser role he should stay. I just wish he could cover a lot better. IMO he covers about as well as Ade Jimoh. If you stretch the field on Bowen, you'll probably score.

If Clark and Bowen split time, that would be fine with me.

Redskins_P 01-03-2005 11:35 AM

[QUOTE=jdlea]I just wish he could cover a lot better. IMO he covers about as well as Ade Jimoh.[/QUOTE]


What are you talking about? Ade is a SHUTDOWN corner man!! LOL! :Smoker:

offiss 01-03-2005 11:47 AM

I have to say Clark should be the starter ahead of Bowen, yes Bowen showed a nice ability to blitz but william's will find other player's and other way's to blitz the QB he's not relegated to Bowen, Clark on the other hand is far better in the secondary and hit's probably just as hard as Bowen, the difference is Clark is usually in position to hit someone and deliver's where as Bowen is alway's 2 step's behind and 2 step's late to deliver the big hit, Stinkston didn't pull up because of Taylor, he pulled up because Clark was coming to blast him and he knew it.

BDBohnzie 01-03-2005 12:05 PM

Smoot will most likely be back...Vinnie said this AM on Elliot in the Morning that Smoot mentioned his words being taken out of context...and Smoot is very passionate about being a Redskin, so I don't see why he won't be back...

Pierce has been a hoss all year and will be rewarded justly...

Someone mentioned Jerry Porter...read this morning that he's looking for big bucks to stay in Oakland, so don't bank on him coming here ([url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1957573]ESPN Sunday Roundup[/url])

Bowen is a great safety...don't want him in coverage, keep Taylor back...I think you saw a lot of Taylor blitzing because he took Bowen's place...those 2 compliment each other very well...

With guys like Clemons, and the no-names that filled in, our pass rush got better and better as the season progressed. Next season, with a healthy LaVar, 3rd downs will be filled with high pressure from the front guys, while the secondary smothers the receivers...

Our most pressing need is a center...the tandem of Friedman and Raymer didn't get the job done, as they are better suited as backups...both are passed their prime. However, center is something you can usually get after Round 1, and I think grabbing of the stud DEs should be a priority in the First Round...


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