Portis for Larry Johnson
 

I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday.

Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake.

I guess we're in for a long offseason of rumors like this

:rolleyes:

I would consider it if a high draft pick came with Johnson. We gave up a lot to get Portis so trading him for a more unproven back even up is not a good value move. I do believe Portis is not the best fit though. I am not ready to run him out of town, but I will certainly listen to offers...

wow...I think we should definitly trade Portis. I mean, who would want a top five running back anyways with no oline. lol. Portis is our back for the future, we dont need to go screwing with our roster anymore.

Seriously, just stop it with the Portis trade rumors. It's just dumb.

It's funny, on one hand we have a bunch of people crying about the cap and our dead cap space, and on the other we have people who want to deal half the team away and further bury ourselves in the cap.

If you guys want cap hell, dealing/cutting guys with big contracts is the best way to do it.

Portis is untradeable because of his cap number.

Lets PLEASE stop talking about this.

I seriously want to know what some of you are smoking......


All I've been hearing lately is trade Portis, trade Lavar. Come on guys let's be a little more realistic.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I seriously want to know what some of you are smoking......


All I've been hearing lately is trade Portis, trade Lavar. Come on guys let's be a little more realistic.[/QUOTE]
We would be laughingstocks of the league if we traded LaVar and Portis, not just for the kind of players they are, but for the tremendous cap damage we would do.

Hell, while we're at it let's just cut Brunell, Barrow, Gardner & Samuels. I'd love to see that cap mess.

Why would KC want two of the highest paid backs in the league? They'd have Holmes and Portis. They know they need to upgrade their D. If they made this trade, I think they'd be the laughing stock. If we made it, we'd have to be on crack. Johnson had a good 4 or 5 games, let's give up one of the 5 best runners in the league for him! That's genius.

Its unfortunate that CP's and LA's (especially) are so high that they are untradable. It would be great to see what the skins could get for LA and to a lesser extent CP.

so now they should trade LaVar Arrington too? Come to think of it...we should. Then we can finish in last forever.

Before all of you go off about how LaVar is overrated, I'd like to remind you that you wanted my head when I said I would rather have Champ than him. Remember, he saved the 2001 season.

There is no reason to trade Lavar Arrington nor Clinton Portis. Both are stars and when healthy, play like stars! Lavar is finally in a defense that suits his style and he just happened to sustain a hard injury to comeback with. Lets not send him up the river just yet!

The only players I think we could let go are Gardner and Morton....as far as bigger money deals!

I love LaVar, he may be my favorite Redskin and Portis is my second favorite, so excuse my strong opinions about this subject. I mean...who wants players that are actually good?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]We would be laughingstocks of the league if we traded LaVar and Portis, not just for the kind of players they are, but for the tremendous cap damage we would do.

Hell, while we're at it let's just cut Brunell, Barrow, Gardner & Samuels. I'd love to see that cap mess.[/QUOTE]


Matty, we're already the laughingstocks of the league because of the cap mess we'll be in 2006 and not to mention the signing of Brunell. How stupid would we look after giving both Arrington and Portis huge salaries and then trading them?

By the way guys this isn't Madden where you can trade whoever you want and not worry about the salary cap.

Whatever happened to have some continuity?

[QUOTE=skinsguy]There is no reason to trade Lavar Arrington nor Clinton Portis. Both are stars and when healthy, play like stars! Lavar is finally in a defense that suits his style and he just happened to sustain a hard injury to comeback with. Lets not send him up the river just yet!

The only players I think we could let go are Gardner and Morton....as far as bigger money deals![/QUOTE]


Amen Skinsguy.....

[QUOTE=djdunick]I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday.

Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake.[/QUOTE]
You sir are an idiot.

Originally Posted by djdunick
I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday.

Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake.


You sir are an idiot.




I happen to agree with djdunick's assesment of Portis, I don't agree with the trade proposal though, i do not think Larry Johnson is anything special, he run's behind maybe the best offensive line in the game what do you think he would do behind our offensive line with his attitude that's a powder keg waiting to explode.

We should have dealt for Sean Alexander of seattle last year when he was available he can run inside and outside that is what Gibb's really need's.

FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick

[QUOTE=djdunick]FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick[/QUOTE]

I must be a crackhead then.....I guess those 1300 yds he got were just given to him by the defenses.

Redskin P,

How many touchdowns did Portis have, not many. One spectacular run on the first play from scrimmage. A bruising up the middle back is much more the style runner we need. Those 1,300 yards certainly weren't given to him he had an incredible number of carries.

With the game on the line in the 4th quarter and we're down at the 5 yard line I don't think Portis makes it in.

I hear where you coming from DJ, but part of the problem was the o-line. You can't blame Portis if he doesn't have any holes to run through..

Portis had 15 and 14 in his 2 seasons in Denver. I'm sure those weren't all from 20 yards out. He has to be doing something right.

This talk of Portis not running hard, not gaining the tough yards, etc., is just nonsense.

He had a ton of carries this year behind a very average offensive line and he held up very well under the circumstances.

How many games did he have with 30+ carries?

He's a tough guy for someone his size and I'm really confused over these claims that he lacks heart and determination.

If this "trade Portis" talk is going to last all offseason I think I just might shoot myself.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]This talk of Portis not running hard, not gaining the tough yards, etc., is just nonsense.

He had a ton of carries this year behind a very average offensive line and he held up very well under the circumstances.

How many games did he have with 30+ carries?

He's a tough guy for someone his size and I'm really confused over these claims that he lacks heart and determination.

If this "trade Portis" talk is going to last all offseason I think I just might shoot myself.[/QUOTE]


Matty, you better get that gun ready LOL

One good game by a backup and all of a sudden we should deal away a 23 year old RB with two 1500+ yard seasons and one 1300 yard season.

What a joke.

Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.

[QUOTE=djdunick]Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.[/QUOTE]


I didn't know he was supposed to "save" our franchise. I thought Gibbs was supposed to do that.

What I saw yesterday was our backup running back going up against one of the worst defenses in the entire league.

[QUOTE=djdunick]Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how we "got ripped" on that deal. With our not-up-to Bailey-standards CB's, we had the number three defense in the league, number one in the conference. As a team we got six more INT's than Denver. And that stiff we picked up got 1300 yards, despite taking the last game off.

You can argue that Portis didn't live up to billing. I think the entire offense was a disappointment, not just #26.

Brudleee,

Yes indeed the entire offense was a disappointment. A straight trade and I wouldn't think we got ripped but we also gave up a draft pick. Having to change blocking schemes and the like to fit him makes me believe that Portis really doesn't fit the Gibbs style offense

DJ, I believe Gibbs knows that. He's going to make adjustments in the offseason and next year you'll see why alot of us feel like Portis is a great fit.

Redskins P,

The Minnesota pass defense is terrible but I didn't think their run defense is that bad is it?

Prior to the game the Vikes were 23rd against the run

[QUOTE=djdunick]Redskins P,

The Minnesota pass defense is terrible but I didn't think their run defense is that bad is it?[/QUOTE]

Not sure how accurate this is, but I think they're ranked in the 20's.


Why DJ? Have we made you change your view on Portis? ;)

Before Gibbs came back, when I used to speak of Gibbs, people ripped me for saying he was a "run, run, pass" kinda coach because he had called one more passing play in his coaching career than run. That said, I was also informed that nobody adapts to his talent the way Joe Gibbs does. So, if Joe Gibbs has to change the way he coaches, that's nothing new. And saying that he would have to change his coaching style isn't true. If his coaching style is to adapt, he's just doing what he always does. 1300 yards is one hell of a season, especially in 15 games with the line we had. He was only 300 some yards off of the NFL leader. That's not bad either. Portis will be a great fit here.

As for the second round pick, Michael Irvin actually said that if he was the Washington Redskins he would have made that deal any day of the week. When you really think about it, Champ wasn't coming back. No chance he was ever going to play another game as a Washington Redskin. So what did we really give up? A second round pick and a free agent we couldn't resign. I don't mind that at all.

i think george michael is full of shit,he needs to stick to singing.

[QUOTE=djdunick]FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick[/QUOTE]
Calling you an idiot for making an idiotic statement is not what I'd call name calling. First off it is was meant in half joking matter as it is a commonly used quote to show you think the other person has said something stupid. Second off I have been around this forum for a while and never once been accused of anything like this so maybe you are a little too sensitive. Third off if I wanted to call you a name I would have called you something far worse. Get over it man.

Your evaluation of Portis smacks of a limited knowledge of football both in terms of skill evaluation and the business ramifications of any such move. I won't get in a insult fight with you but I do think you should try and understand how to discuss viable and logical options for improving the Skins. Getting rid of a top tier RB for a guy who doesn't even start for his team is just dumb. Sorry if calling it a dumb idea seems mean to you but it is just plain dumb.

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]i think george michael is full of shit,he needs to stick to singing.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

[QUOTE=djdunick]


How

many touchdowns did Portis have, not many.



L.COLES only had one touchdown, you wanna cut him too ?
and that td was thrown by PORTIS.

[QUOTE=djdunick]. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

I WOULD SAY ARE CORNERS DID JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN CHAMP BAILLY THIS YEAR (sorry for the caps). also while watching the denver game the other night , i heard the anouncers talking about how denver is strugling this year scoring rushing touchdowns inside the 20 yard line as opposed to last year when they had portis. that tells me , that while denvers system may fit portis a little better than the skins system, portis was the reason for their rushing success, not just their system.