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And how Clinton Portis was a selfish little bastard. I take back calling him a guy who gave about 85-90% to the team. He gave about 70% or less.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-how-daniel-snyder-found-his-man-in-mike-shanahan/2011/09/07/gIQA1D0oIK_story.html]Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan - The Washington Post[/url]

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Good read SCP!

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Clinton Portis is a piece of shit, and I hope he never plays another down in the NFL. So glad that asshole is off this team and never broke Riggins record. It's a shame a good man like Zorn got shit on by our front office. Sure he was over his head, but they didn't help him much.

I also want to comment on our owner making decisions for a billion dollar franchise while liquored up. No wonder all his other business ventures flop.

Thanks for posting this SCP.

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[quote=NC_Skins;833202]Clinton Portis is a piece of shit, and I hope he never plays another down in the NFL. So glad that asshole is off this team and never broke Riggins record. It's a shame a good man like Zorn got shit on by our front office. Sure he was over his head, but they didn't help him much.

I also want to comment on our owner making decisions for a billion dollar franchise while liquored up. No wonder all his other business ventures flop.

Thanks for posting this SCP.[/quote]

Being this forum's willing ES lurker helped me out. :D

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I want to add, that after reading this, it answered the lingering question of why did this idiot (Zorn) run the swinging gate after the defense called a time out and prepared themselves.


It was his way of giving Dan Snyder a big fat finger (on national TV at that) while he was headed out the door. He knew he was fired.



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Now that I look back on it, I applaud Zorn for that move. Snyder deserved to see that shit and be embarrassed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;833202]Clinton Portis is a piece of shit, and I hope he never plays another down in the NFL. So glad that asshole is off this team and never broke Riggins record. It's a shame a good man like Zorn got shit on by our front office. Sure he was over his head, but they didn't help him much.

I also want to comment on our owner making decisions for a billion dollar franchise while liquored up. No wonder all his other business ventures flop.

Thanks for posting this SCP.[/quote]

You know how many greater decisions were made over drinks?

Is it 4:15 on Sunday yet?

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[quote=SmootSmack;833207]Is it 4:15 on Sunday yet?[/quote]


It was actually a very good article.

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He put a little cheese on the trap.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/coaches/Mike-Shanahan/d1cc37ff-046a-4e9a-a5c1-018dd00362f5]Washington Redskins: Mike Shanahan[/url]

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Dude, all this confirms is that Portis is a piece of crap, and DS is the biggest POS ever ... I don't give a crap how bad of a coach Zorn was. You can't cut a guys knees out from under him and then expect him to lead a team.

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Great article.

NC Skins would you really still want Zorn coaching this football team now? DS made a move and more importantly has stuck to his guns and stayed out of the way. I applaud the guy for it. The fact he made the flight to Denver after getting liquored up in an airport hanger with his private jet sitting outside, I find pretty damn baller! LOL... what a f'n story to tell the grandkids... As far as him failing in his business ventures, failure is part of life in business and he has had plenty of successes. Including turning our franchise into a 1.7 billion dollar team. He also had the business where with all to make the money to buy the franchise. The guy may have made a ton of mistakes running the Redskins in the past, but he finally got the hell out of the way and turned it over to a group of guys to lead us back to being contenders again. I applaud the guy for owning his mistakes and backing off to let football guys do their thing.

HAIL! We are back baby. We are back... We are getting Doug back!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;833216]Great article.

NC Skins would you really still want Zorn coaching this football team now? DS made a move and more importantly has stuck to his guns and stayed out of the way. [/quote]


Hell no. I didn't think Zorn was right for the job even back then. Going from a QB coach to HC without being a coordinator? That had "TRAP" written all over it, and I even admitted as much by saying he was in way over his head. It's like trying to learn how to swim by jumping in the deepest part of the pool. Often not a good idea.

I applaud DS for doing exactly what I've wanted him to do all along. Hire capable minds, and get the hell out of the way.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;833215]Dude, all this confirms is that Portis is a piece of crap, and DS is the biggest POS ever ... I don't give a crap how bad of a coach Zorn was. You can't cut a guys knees out from under him and then expect him to lead a team.[/quote]Agreed, it also makes Shanny seem like Danny's booty call. So there's that...

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;833216]Great article.
The guy may have made a ton of mistakes running the Redskins in the past, but he finally got the hell out of the way and turned it over to a group of guys to lead us back to being contenders again. I applaud the guy for owning his mistakes and backing off to let football guys do their thing.

HAIL! We are back baby. We are back... We are getting Doug back![/quote]

I am going to wait till the redskins are an above .500 team before applauding DS for leading us to 'being contenders'. Also, how has he owned his mistakes? his hiring of Shanahan shows off everything that is wrong about his ownership. I put him and Al Davis as the worst owners in the league.

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Thanks for posting this SCP. It just confirms my thoughts about CP. He was a major distraction and a Prima Donna who put himself above team. I'm glad he's gone.

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[quote=NC_Skins;833218]Hell no. I didn't think Zorn was right for the job even back then. Going from a QB coach to HC without being a coordinator? That had "TRAP" written all over it, and I even admitted as much by saying he was in way over his head. It's like trying to learn how to swim by jumping in the deepest part of the pool. Often not a good idea.

[B]I applaud DS for doing exactly what I've wanted him to do all along. Hire capable minds, and get the hell out of the way[/B].[/quote]

Exactly what we have all been saying for years!! :)

I just don't get the hire in the first place. We all wanted to believe as fans that we would catch some kind of lightening in a bottle, but it was all just a pipe dream. The odds on that happening where about the same as winning the powerball jackpot when you factor in the Redskins organizational culture. At that time the inmates were running the asylum so to speak, not our coaches. Add in the fact that Zorn was never really ever to get the players to believe in him or his system, it was a recipe for disaster. I do not believe DS made the hire with the hope of him failing, because as we all know DS wants to win, he was just flat out wrong in his approach.

Did I miss the part of the article about Clinton Portis or something? Is there a page two I can't see? I really want to read this.

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very good article, I always like to hear the whole behind the scenes as to how a hiring is done or contract is made.

I also wouldn't mind hanging out with snyder for a night being in DC one moment and then saying 'O F#ck it! lets go to Denver and hang out with Ole Mike Shanahan!' the next moment. Couldn't you just see those four guys as the guys from the hangover and Vinny as Allen (Zack Galifianakis)

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[quote=rbanerjee23;833220]I am going to wait till the redskins are an above .500 team before applauding DS for leading us to 'being contenders'. Also, how has he owned his mistakes? his hiring of Shanahan shows off everything that is wrong about his ownership. I put him and Al Davis as the worst owners in the league.[/quote]

I would think you could say by getting the hell out of the teams way he owned his own mistakes. He realized the way he was trying to get the job done was wrong, and brought in the right people to "right" the ship. By doing so he admitted to not knowing what he was doing, and in a sense owned up to his mistakes.

I never said DS lead us to being contenders, and I also might add that I am not sold on this year, but I am sold on this franchise's new direction. Which I believe in the next couple of years will be put us in contention to win the East and hopefully more.

How is hiring MS showing off everything that is wrong with his ownership?

ALSO wow, you put our owner and Al Davis as the worst owners in the league and fail to mention Jerry Jones.

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Zorn didn't run situational drills and he tried to show up a vet. The fact that he was a pos coach doomed him not Portis.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;833224]very good article, I always like to hear the whole behind the scenes as to how a hiring is done or contract is made.

I also wouldn't mind hanging out with snyder for a night being in DC one moment and then saying 'O F#ck it! lets go to Denver and hang out with Ole Mike Shanahan!' the next moment. [B]Couldn't you just see those four guys as the guys from the hangover and Vinny as Allen (Zack Galifianakis)[/B][/quote]

lol... who let the dogs out.. whop ..... whop.whop..

Also where do you think DS and his lackies got there drugs! LOL

And yes hanging out with DS for a night may be fun, the dude may get crazy.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;833223]Did I miss the part of the article about Clinton Portis or something? Is there a page two I can't see? I really want to read this.[/quote]

yes there is, at the bottom of the last paragraph of the 1st page of the article you will see there is 3 more pages. They are marked as tabs on all WP articles that have multiple pages. The CP story is a very short part of the article.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;833228]lol... who let the dogs out.. whop ..... whop.whop..

Also where do you think DS and his lackies got there drugs! LOL

And yes hanging out with DS for a night may be fun, the dude may get crazy.[/quote]

Couldn't you picture snyder as Neil Patrick Harris from Harold and Kumar

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;833222]I just don't get the hire in the first place. We all wanted to believe as fans that we would catch some kind of lightening in a bottle, but it was all just a pipe dream. [/quote]

It wasn't even that, it was the fact that Dumb (Snyder) and Dumber (Ceratto) thought it would be smart to go out and hire a offensive and defensive coordinator without hiring a head coach. Now, whoever you get, is going to have to accept those two coordinators. Now tell me, what coach on earth is going to take a HC position without being able to choose his own staff? A desperate one....like Zorn. They painted themselves into a corner and had no way out except for the gullible Zorn.

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This makes it all the more interesting now in comparison:

1) Zorn era: Portis defies coach and goes directly to Snyder who makes coach apologize.

2) Shanny era: Shanny benches $100 million dollar man, expensive FA Pro-Bowl QB, and releases Portis in the second season. Not a single word from Snyder.


Basically Snyder undermined Zorn's authority from year one. Zorn should've been able to put Portis in his place if he wanted to. Also seems like the players didn't respect Zorn, lost the locker-room. (Not saying Zorn would've done any better with more authority.)

Also says that Shanny has complete control.

You know, that was a great article that had a great behind-the-scenes look at the hnic at redskins park, but after reading that article I feel like shanny represents our last hope at turning this franchise around with dan in charge.

I honestly don't think ds has changed that much from the sound of it. And if he fires shanny, which could very well happen judging from both his treatment of zorn and the way he blew up at shanny after the mcnabb wristband incident, makes me think this team could be doomed for a few more years. Danny's reputation precedes him enough that could hamper his ability to find another top notch coach.

All in all this article just makes me want to root for shanny even harder, because I don't feel like I can just keep putting up with the constant losing. It's gotta be our turn at some point, and I hope that point is soon.

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Its sunday!!!!!!

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to me that article just made Danny look like an idiot.Lets get drunk and go get Shanahan! That explains some of his other moves.How many other moves did he do after drinking? Hey,lets get Jeff George! deon!,etc
And letting Portis dictate to him like that is pathetic

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Let's see, self made....Billionaire?
...I need a drink..

My take on the article is that Cerrato gave the WP his view and made DS look real bad. They never attributed their source, but some of the things could only be known by a few people if true, and the line where he turns to Cerrato and says "take care of this" seems like a self important claim someone like Vinny would make. Also the direct lying incident to PK. Anyway, who knows if any of this is true or just a one sided/bitter view of the actions.

DS has always seemed to me to find one guy and trust him, usually with bad results, I hope he is changing but we will see.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;833251]My take on the article is that Cerrato gave the WP his view and made DS look real bad. They never attributed their source, but some of the things could only be known by a few people if true, and the line where he turns to Cerrato and says "take care of this" seems like a self important claim someone like Vinny would make. Also the direct lying incident to PK. Anyway, who knows if any of this is true or just a one sided/bitter view of the actions.

DS has always seemed to me to find one guy and trust him, usually with bad results, I hope he is changing but we will see.[/quote]

You make some excellent points. When you ask who the Deep Throat source is who offered all of this hidden information, you have to wonder about the quality of the information.

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So has anybody pointed out that these three Snyder "enablers"-Donovan, Cerrato, Swanson-are all no longer associated with the organization?

Anyhow, as 44Ever says...it's Sunday!!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;833225]I would think you could say by getting the hell out of the teams way he owned his own mistakes. He realized the way he was trying to get the job done was wrong, and brought in the right people to "right" the ship. By doing so he admitted to not knowing what he was doing, and in a sense owned up to his mistakes.

I never said DS lead us to being contenders, and I also might add that I am not sold on this year, but I am sold on this franchise's new direction. Which I believe in the next couple of years will be put us in contention to win the East and hopefully more.

How is hiring MS showing off everything that is wrong with his ownership?

ALSO wow, you put our owner and Al Davis as the worst owners in the league and fail to mention Jerry Jones.[/quote]

Going after Shanny in the middle of the season with Zorn still as the head coach = everything wrong with DS. And look at your previous post, verbatim you said DS brought in guys to 'lead us to being contenders'. And I hate Jones as much as the next Redskins fans but under his ownership, Dallas has made the playoffs 12 out of the 21 seasons he's owned them, won the division outright 8 times, won the conference 3 times, and won the superbowl 3 times. Again, I hate, hate, hate Jerry Jones -- but his team's performance under his ownership is not even comparable to DS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;833256]So has anybody pointed out that these [B]three Snyder "enablers"-Donovan, Cerrato, Swanson[/B]-are all no longer associated with the organization?

Anyhow, as 44Ever says...it's Sunday!![/quote]


4 actually, you forgot Tortise

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Kinda don't understand the timing of this article, seems like it would have been a good offseason article, but whatever.

:bdh:

Hope everyone is ready to bury crap like this after today.

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[quote=SmootSmack;833256]So has anybody pointed out that these three Snyder "enablers"-Donovan, Cerrato, Swanson-are all no longer associated with the organization?

Anyhow, as 44Ever says...it's Sunday!![/quote]

Good point but the hnic is still at the top of the totem pole, and he's the one who carries the big stick. Honestly I don't have a problem with Snyder anymore if he's being true to his word and staying out of the football side, and judging from the way this team has been built since Shanny took over I think it's fair to say he's kept his word, but all the same it's still Snyder lol. Shanny can make all the decisions he wants but at the end of the day it's about results.

Either way this article isn't a big deal, as it pertains to something that happened two years ago.

I'm so glad in about 6 hours we'll have actual football related matters to talk about. This time can't go by fast enough lol.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;833251]My take on the article is that Cerrato gave the WP his view and made DS look real bad.[/quote]

That's exactly who the source is and it's a dead give away. Notice how there is no mention of how Bruce Allen came into the picture. Guess who wasn't around to see or hear how that came about. Vinny.


[quote=CRedskinsRule;833251] Anyway, who knows if any of this is true or just a one sided/bitter view of the actions. [/quote]

It's a 100% true. Some ES insiders were talking about this stuff back when it happened, and even alluded to the fact the reason we went after Cutler so hard was to draw in Shanny. They got killed by hatters back then, but the vindication is bittersweet I suppose.


[quote=SmootSmack;833256]So has anybody pointed out that these three Snyder "enablers"-Donovan, Cerrato, Swanson-are all no longer associated with the organization?[/quote]

I did point out he's doing what I wanted him to, in hiring football minds and staying the hell away. Also Smoot, are they enablers or guys that just does what Dan wants and take the fall (or bad PR) when it hits the fan? I mean, these guys weren't around when his company was slamming people to drive up it's value. Who was the blame then? It seems everywhere, there is always an excuse to Dan's actions. Personally, I think David Donovan was a huge douchebag and I'm glad he's gone. Karl Swanson either failed at his job hard or Danny simply didn't listen to his advice. Who knows really. Well, I really don't need to say anything about Vinny...lol

I'm glad to be moving on and will enjoy the ride with Bruce and Mike.

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[quote=Mattyk;833275]Kinda don't understand the timing of this article, seems like it would have been a good offseason article, but whatever.

:bdh:

Hope everyone is ready to bury crap like this after today.[/quote]

I'll drink to that.


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ps. my guess the timing of the article is in relation to when Wise was able to get confirmation from his source.(aka..vinny)

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[quote=rbanerjee23;833258] And I hate Jones as much as the next Redskins fans but under his ownership, Dallas has made the playoffs 12 out of the 21 seasons he's owned them, won the division outright 8 times, won the conference 3 times, and won the superbowl 3 times. Again, I hate, hate, hate Jerry Jones -- but his team's performance under his ownership is not even comparable to DS.[/quote]

Well, that's a bit misleading. Many of those years they excelled and were in the playoffs, other people were making the decisions. (Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells) You notice after those guys left, the teams dropped dramatically and for good reason. Jerry doesn't need to be the GM. He has no business at all being the man making personnel decisions.



3 in a row...somebody COMBO BREAKER!!

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Real nice piece. It just shows what a total clown Snyder is. He gets drunk after a tough loss, gets his cronnies together and they fly out to meet Shanahan during the season. You just would never see the Mara's or the Rooney's doing crap like this. But whatever... that's water under the bridge.