Royal & McCants
 

yeah I'm from CA but I've been a big Redskin fan for a long long time ... can anyone tell me why Robert Royal is not more utilized on this team, especially as a receiver. This dude is awesome. Taylor Jacobs??? lose this Florida bozo product of Spurrier and stay with McCants, McCants is awesome and he showed it in the 2003 season.

I think we may see Royal's role expand next year. He's definitely established himself as a great redzone target.

As for McCants sounds like he's on his way out and Jacobs will see more time next year.

Welcome to the board by the way!

McCants is far from awesome.....


Oh, welcome to the board my friend. :biggthump

I was excited about Royal when he first came to the team. I think we'll look to replace Kozlowski and the newcomer may prove to be stiff competition for Royal as far as the starting position is concerned. Nothing's wrong with that. As far as McCants, goes, I got a feeling he'll be traded. We probably won't get much more than a fifth or sixth rounder though. Yes, everyone knows about his production as a red zone WR, but it's not to common to have a third string WR not chipping in on special teams. And that's just the reason Jacobs stays and 'your boy' doesn't.

I also think that Royal is a valuable red zone target and in another thread I mentioned that McCants was a huge touchdown maker in 2003. I guess maybe I wasn't smoking something when I thought that.

On a side note, this has been a great use of my time during the work day. I believe that I've honestly been reading this for about 2/3 of my day at work. Thanks for having something worthwhile!

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I also think that Royal is a valuable red zone target and in another thread I mentioned that McCants was a huge touchdown maker in 2003. I guess maybe I wasn't smoking something when I thought that.

On a side note, this has been a great use of my time during the work day. I believe that I've honestly been reading this for about 2/3 of my day at work. Thanks for having something worthwhile![/QUOTE] I'm glad you don't work for me! LOL Oh, I'm at work to.

Jacobs has some talent. Why call him a FL bozo?

Royal had 10 receptions this year and 4 TDs. So, he is being utilized. He's not the greatest blocker in the world, which keeps him out of certain formations (ie he's one dimensional).

McCants is a bad practice player, but seems to come up with some big plays when he's in the games. He's got to practice better AND find some way to contribute on special teams before he'll be put on the active list on a regular basis (if he's even around next year).

Let's look objectively at Royal and Cooley for just a moment.

Neither of them is a great blocker by any stretch of the imagination.

Both of them have good hands and will catch just about anything they can get their hands on.

Neither of them is a "deep threat" kind of TE.

Both of them have shown an understanding of red zone offense and the ability to get open in that kind of constrained field.

What the Redskins have now is two tight ends that are pretty much the same player which means that there are dimensions of the game opened up by certain kinds of tight ends that will not be available to the Redskins when either of these guys is on the field.

Maybe - MAYBE - the team would be better off with one of these two guys (whichever you prefer) and another TE that offers something else to the offense?

Just a thought.

Plain and simple they can only carry 4 wrs a game maybe 5 if they figure a way to stretch another position.

Coles-lock(starter)
Garnder-lock(starter)
Thrash-lock(decent 3rd or 4th with major ST contributions)
Jacobs(decent 3rd or 4th with major ST contributions)

late in the year auditioned Brown for what I assume to be Morton's role(doesn't look good for Chad does it?)

and early in the eyar they kepy an extra lineman sicne they were having problems there.

McCants doesn't contribute on ST and apparently dogs it in practice. Gibbs is never gonna play a guy like that and take away a game day spot from someone else.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Let's look objectively at Royal and Cooley for just a moment.

Neither of them is a great blocker by any stretch of the imagination.

Both of them have good hands and will catch just about anything they can get their hands on.

Neither of them is a "deep threat" kind of TE.

Both of them have shown an understanding of red zone offense and the ability to get open in that kind of constrained field.

What the Redskins have now is two tight ends that are pretty much the same player which means that there are dimensions of the game opened up by certain kinds of tight ends that will not be available to the Redskins when either of these guys is on the field.

Maybe - MAYBE - the team would be better off with one of these two guys (whichever you prefer) and another TE that offers something else to the offense?

Just a thought.[/QUOTE]

Cooley and Royal don't play the same position really(well, really the same role not position). Cooley was more of a backfield and slot type guy while Royal made his noise from the tradional TE spot. I think you'll see Royal play the same role next year as the pass catching TE from the line while Cooley will may end up with 50+ catches next year from all of over the place. Royal is a nice option in the redzone and should continue. It'd be nice if we could find a guy who could block and catch from the line too.

[QUOTE=firstdown]I'm glad you don't work for me! LOL Oh, I'm at work to.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't get any better than reading about the Redskins at work does it? LOL

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Plain and simple they can only carry 4 wrs a game maybe 5 if they figure a way to stretch another position.

Coles-lock(starter)
Garnder-lock(starter)
Thrash-lock(decent 3rd or 4th with major ST contributions)
Jacobs(decent 3rd or 4th with major ST contributions)

late in the year auditioned Brown for what I assume to be Morton's role(doesn't look good for Chad does it?)

and early in the eyar they kepy an extra lineman sicne they were having problems there.

McCants doesn't contribute on ST and apparently dogs it in practice. Gibbs is never gonna play a guy like that and take away a game day spot from someone else.[/QUOTE]

what makes you say gardner is a lock? havent we been talking about him possibly being replaced on just about every thread?

[QUOTE=Big C]havent we been talking about him possibly being replaced on just about every thread?[/QUOTE]

We are not the ones that dictate who stays and who goes, though. Joe Bugel emphatically stated that he expects 100% of the receivers to be back next year.

before that i asked why he is a "lock". in the washington post they have also hinted he may be gone. that is my point.

[QUOTE] It'd be nice if we could find a guy who could block and catch from the line too.[/QUOTE]

Cooly is a rookie and blocking is much more coachable than catching. Both these young cats will be much better blockers next year after a year in the weight room and off season workouts.

[QUOTE=Kope]Cooly is a rookie and blocking is much more coachable than catching. Both these young cats will be much better blockers next year after a year in the weight room and off season workouts.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Cooley should definitely develop into a fine blocker as he progresses at the NFL level, particularly with the coaching of Joe Bugel. Cooley has the attitude and work ethic to become a very well-rounded H-back. Royal really impressed me this year, and quite honestly, I was surprised when he was able to beat out Rasby and Kozlowski for the starting TE job. He really seems to be hitting his stride as an NFL player, and I look for him and Cooley to continue to develop into an excellent young TE/H-back tandem.

I think cooley will become a better blocker as he get's more experience, Royal has shown to be pretty productive in the red zone, but not a big blocker I agree a year in the weight room would reall benifit him in the blocking area.

How did everyone like the kid from USC Bird he showed some set of hand's on that catch down the middle for a TD against Oklahoma the other night, that catch was unbelievable, didn't follow him this year other than that game but he defiently made an impression with that one.

I really dont see Gardner coming back.. i guess he could maybe
revive himself, thats for the coaches to decide, but what we
saw of him this year is not what we want in our big across the middle
receiver.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]Jacobs has some talent. Why call him a FL bozo?.....[/QUOTE]


I think he is referring to all of the promising U of Florida Wide recievers that have been busts in the NFL.
I am not sure if you are aware but the U.of Florida receivers have a bad reputation in the NFL, which is why Jacobs slipped in his draft. Alot of it is attributed to Spurriers system (when he was coach there) and that his receivers and QB's have great success in the NCAA but that success has not translated well to the NFL.
I personally think it is not the offensive systems but the big jump in talent of defenses in college to the pro's. Almost all of the NFl teams have great players on D. In college only a hand ful of teams are really that good.

Below is an article that touches the subject of Taylor and the U of F receivers bad rep.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6282615[/url]

[QUOTE=Big C]before that i asked why he is a "lock". in the washington post they have also hinted he may be gone. that is my point.[/QUOTE]

What is your point? You said that basically because we've (and the WP hinting at it) been talking about him being gone that it must be a foregone conclusion. Did you read what Joe Bugel said?

[QUOTE=cpayne5]What is your point? You said that basically because we've (and the WP hinting at it) been talking about him being gone that it must be a foregone conclusion. Did you read what Joe Bugel said?[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you. It is not a sure thing that he anyone will be cut or traded.
Just because of what TWP threads and the Post say it, it must be so? LOL!

Truth is, no one other than the Skins "inner circle" really knows what they are planning to do. They seem to make surpising moves every year (good and bad), even last year with Gibbs running things, and I expect more of the same this year, but with fewer moves, and fewer "big names". They one thing they have stressed is the desire to maintain continuity, which in itself is a very nice change!
I think Gardner will be gone, provided they get what they want for him, but I would be absolutely fine with him and McCants still on the roster next season.