redskins hire jaguars off coordinator
 

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looks like the skins are going to hire Bill Musgrave from the jags as our qb coach,great,probably another fool who still thinks Brunell has something left

This guys not bad, he used to coach at UVa. But I would rather have the offensive cordinator from the Vikings. Or somebody from the colts or Chiefs. Either way its getting a young guy on the offensive staff and I think thats a good thing.

I wonder what happens to Jack Burns?

Perhaps Burns is retiring?

Apparently Burns will stay in the organization in an as-yet-undetermined role.

More troubling is that Musgrave ran a "West Coast style" attack, with lots of - you guessed it - short passes. Though his role as QB coach will be more about mechanics and reads, one can't help but wonder how this will lead to the attacking style offense Gibbs and Breaux say they plan to implement.

Hopefully as QB coach, he won't have much influence as a playcaller. Maybe he will be the one to fine tune the mechanics of Ramsey, working on footwork and things like that. Leftwich has cement feet too so he should be used to dealing with a statue in the pocket.

I'm curious too as to what Burns plans to do if he is staying with the organization.

do you remember in gibbs last, hour long meeting with the press? he was talking about how everyone steals ideas and how he stole a play or two from the jaguars.......

this is all very interesting indeed!

As a QB coach he shouldn't have any effect on the playcalling.

Lets hope he does not have and effect on starting qb's also.

Here's his bio from the Jags site:

Bill Musgrave begins his second season as offensive coordinator in Jacksonville. Quarterback Byron Leftwich returns for his first full season as the starter and newly drafted players Reggie Williams and Greg Jones join an already talented squad headlined by Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor and Kyle Brady.

Musgrave spent six years as a quarterback in the NFL, four years as an NFL assistant coach and two years coaching on the collegiate level. Musgrave returned to the NFL in 2003 following two successful seasons as the offensive coordinator at the University of Virginia. Previously, he served as the offensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers and Philadelphia Eagles.

Musgrave was a fourth-round draft choice of the Dallas Cowboys in 1991. He played for the San Francisco 49ers from 1991 to ’94, backing up Steve Young and playing in the 49ers’ Super Bowl XXIX victory over San Diego. He spent 1995 and ’96 with the Denver Broncos, playing behind another future Hall of Famer in John Elway.

Musgrave’s coaching career began before his playing days were over. He was released by the Broncos during the 1997 preseason and was quickly hired by the Oakland Raiders as quarterbacks coach. That year, he helped guide Jeff George to a league-leading 3,919 yards passing and an AFC-best 29 touchdown passes. In 1998, Musgrave went to training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. After being released, he joined the Philadelphia Eagles’ coaching staff as offensive coordinator for the final 10 games of the season. He joined the Carolina Panthers as quarterbacks coach in 1999, playing an instrumental role in a Pro Bowl season for Steve Beuerlein, who passed for nearly 4,500 yards and 36 touchdowns, as the Panthers had the NFL’s No. 2-ranked passing offense. Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.

He spent the last two years as the offensive coordinator at the University of Virginia. Named the "Best Coordinator" in the ACC by The Sporting News in 2002, he was instrumental in the development of quarterback Matt Schaub. One of a host of players who flourished under Musgrave’s innovative schemes, Schaub almost completely rewrote the Virginia record book for passing and was named ACC Player of the Year. Overall, Virginia threw 32 touchdown passes in 2002, including a record 28 by Schaub.

Musgrave was a four-year starting quarterback and three-year captain at Oregon. He finished his collegiate career as the Ducks’ all-time leading passer while setting a total of 15 school records. His 60 career passing touchdowns ranked second only to Elway in Pac-10 history. He was a three-time All-Academic selection and was the nation’s All-Academic Player of the Year as a senior. He received a bachelor’s degree in finance in 1990. Musgrave was born November 11, 1967 in Grand Junction, Colo. He was a standout athlete at Grand Junction High School and was named the Colorado High School Athlete of the Year in 1985. He and his wife, Neely, have two sons, Carter and Eli, and two daughters, Miranda and Delaney. They reside in Jacksonville.

COACHING BACKGROUND: 1997 Oakland Raiders, 1998 Philadelphia Eagles, 1999-2000 Carolina Panthers, 2001-02 Virginia, 2003-04 Jacksonville Jaguars

I don't think he has a whole lot of faith in Brunell. Jacksonville did bench and then let him go. I think that maybe the Skins are thinking he can help Ramsey make the same sort of strides that Byron Leftwich made this season. Leftwich played very well at times and I hope that Musgrave can help Ramsey out.

COACHING BACKGROUND: 1997 Oakland Raiders, 1998 Philadelphia Eagles, 1999-2000 Carolina Panthers, 2001-02 Virginia, 2003-04 Jacksonville Jaguars[/QUOTE]


And we're trying to establish continuity? Doesn't sound like this guy has any history of loyalty.

Loyalty... or he can't hold a job.

It's not uncommon for assistants to jump around a bit, for experience and for better positions.

Gibbs is undoubtedly looking to pick his brain on the west coast system. A lot of us were saying he needs to bring in a younger offensive mind, this might not be the splashy move that we wanted but regardless, it's a younger mind with a different background than Gibbs.

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And we're trying to establish continuity? Doesn't sound like this guy has any history of loyalty.[/QUOTE]

This is guy is being hired mostly for the development of Patrick Ramsey and maybe to resurrect Mark Brunell's career (probably impossible.) He's probably more or less going to act as a consultant.

a well paid consultant too, the WP says he'll be the top QB coach in the league at $500,000 per

Wow - A guy run out of town for an anemic offense comes to Washington for 1/2 a mil...

He does have a history of making big play QBs though, just because he couldn't do it with Brunell and Leftwich doesn't mean he can't get it done. He did get it done with Steve Beuerlein and Jeff George, and I would think Ramsey has more upside than those two.

Gibbs knows how to assemble a staff, Musgrave must have something positive to offer if he's being brought in.

I'm sure he does, but for 1/2 a mil... He must be doing SOMETHING besides QB coach!

[QUOTE=kingerock]He does have a history of making big play QBs though, just because he couldn't do it with Brunell and Leftwich doesn't mean he can't get it done. He did get it done with Steve Beuerlein and Jeff George, and I would think Ramsey has more upside than those two.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure I agree aboutLeftwich. I think that he had a good year for a second year guy.

Bill Musgrave was fired in Jax in large part because the Jaguars' offense was so anemic. The Jags have gone 50 consecutive games (more than 3 seasons!) without scoring 30 points in a game.

Granted, scoring 28 points in a game more than once or twice would have been really sweet here in Washington this year, but let's keep this in perspective. The Redskins are not hiring the reincarnation of Sid Gilman here as their innovative offensive-minded genius for the next decade...

hi I'm new to the warpath but was interested in this discussion. I wonder about this move being something that will have a great positive impact which is needed. I don't know a lot about Musgrave but from a coaching standpoint I was not particularly impressed with any of the quarterbacks that participated in producing, and he is THE QUARTERBACK COACH. The article I read stated "Among the other quarterbacks that Musgrave has coached include Jeff George, Steve Beuerlein, current Atlanta Falcons backup Matt Schaub and current Jacksonville starter Byron Leftwich." Of course include Brunell but we have seen where that went.

Seems like a change here was a good concept but perhaps taking some time to see who else was available would have been a good idea. For example, I doubted the aquisition(and especially the contract) of Brunell when it happened, but felt even worse about it when Kurt Warner became available. Not that I wanted Ramsey replaced but if your are going to do it then Warner would have been a better selection than Brunell. I am worried that the Skins could have done better by not jumping at Musgrave right away.

Maybe I have no idea what I am talking about.

Shaub played very well in college, Brunell used to be a great QB, and Leftwhich is well on his way. I think musgrave can really help Ramsey with his footwork, which is what he needs. Plus, I think they're going to use him to help add a much needed wrinkle to the Redskins offense. He's going to tell Gibbs if he wants to use short routes stop running curls and hit your WRs in stride so they can get more YAC.

I don't recall anybody on the board wanting Warner initially, but of course after a few good outings with the Giants all of a sudden people come out and question our decision to not go after him.

As for Musgrave, I think it's a solid upgrade. If anything he brings a different approach and mindset to the offense. Despite what people will say I think he was primarily brought in to work with Ramsey and the QB's, and not to be the cure for the offensive schemes.

I'm sure Gibbs will be interested in picking his brain on the west coast system but I don't think we'll see radical changes to the system itself, the changes should come in a more aggressive approach to the playcalling, more shots down the field, not being so concerned about turnovers that it handcuffs the offense, etc.

I never wanted Warner, nor do I want him now. He may be the luckiest guy ever! Got put into St. Louis with Faulk, Bruce, and Holt!

I'm anxious to see what Musgrave will bring myself. Anything to get some different minds together. I mean they don't have to agree, but they can take something from each other and help Ramsey out if anything.

Yeah I also believe that Musgrave is there for the sole purpose of coaching Ramsey and the other QBs. While it might not be out of the question that Gibbs would pick his brain about the West Coast offense, I don't really believe we will see much if any influence on the field from Musgrave other than the work he does with the QBs.