Arrington on the way out?
 

Seen on ComcastSportsnet's SportsNite. Now that Lavar was paid 'his' 6.5 million dollar roster bonus, should we look to trade him to avoid salary cap hell in the next year or two. Lemar Marshall and Chris Clemons did fill in admirably during his absence. And if a trade could save us some dough, why not? I've been searching for a link for the story. No luck just yet. :oink:

Now that he got his roster bonnus only increases is dead money hit. Forget about Lavar being cut.

I would love to see LA traded but it wont happen because of his cap hit.

[QUOTE=BossHog]Seen on ComcastSportsnet's SportsNite. Now that Lavar was paid 'his' 6.5 million dollar roster bonus, should we look to trade him to avoid salary cap hell in the next year or two. Lemar Marshall and Chris Clemons did fill in admirably during his absence. And if a trade could save us some dough, why not? I've been searching for a link for the story. No luck just yet. :oink:[/QUOTE]


You're kidding right?

LaVar is a strength, not a weakness. im surprised at how 'what have you done for me lately' you guys are. he's a massive lockerroom presence, not to mention the ferocity he brings onto the field. like Ramsey, he's had to suffer along being a Redskin for so many disappointing and tumultous seasons, but UNLIKE Champ or now Smoot, he's always stayed optimistic and enthusiastic about the club.

if Arrington played this season, we would have the number one defense this season instead of number three. alot of those 'oh so close' to getting the QB (vinny) situations would have been certain sacks. probably would have gotten a couple more fumbles too.

I just dont get it.

Trade Arrington.....

Trade Portis....

Lets cut Coles....

Why do we have to overturn the roster every single year. Koy Demter and AJ Feeley filled in awsome for Donavan McNabb a couple seasons ago, should the Eagles have let him go to save some cap room? It just dosent make sense, and people dont understand that we cant do these things with guys carrying this kind of cap number. It would make things worse... not better. Arrington is going no where. Portis is going no where. None of these guys are leaving, I dont know why we even have to speculate it.

[QUOTE=irish]I would love to see LA traded but it wont happen because of his cap hit.[/QUOTE]

Well according to the report. Team officials deamed it a 2006 roster bonus. As long as that's permissable by the league, it seems we would'nt take any more of a hit than that (and since his contract was recently renegotiated, it should be somewhat cap friendly, especially after being paid the roster bonus). In essence you do trade a player's contract. Possibly, this is just the team trying to make good on an agreement. But why settle a 6.5 million dollar dispute before the hearing? Any contract issues are to be cleared up before a trade. :oink:

In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?

[QUOTE=illdefined]LaVar is a strength, not a weakness. im surprised at how 'what have you done for me lately' you guys are. he's a massive lockerroom presence, not to mention the ferocity he brings onto the field. like Ramsey, he's had to suffer along being a Redskin for so many disappointing and tumultous seasons, but UNLIKE Champ or now Smoot, he's always stayed optimistic and enthusiastic about the club.

if Arrington played this season, we would have the number one defense this season instead of number three. alot of those 'oh so close' to getting the QB (vinny) situations would have been certain sacks. probably would have gotten a couple more fumbles too.[/QUOTE]
And the secondary would have had more INTs because of LA pressuring the QB into throwing the ball quicker.

Anybody remember the 1st quarter of the preseason Falcons game? I know it was just a preseason game, but Michael Vick is Michael Vick no matter what time of the year it is.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I just dont get it.

Trade Arrington.....

Trade Portis....

Lets cut Coles....

Why do we have to overturn the roster every single year. Koy Demter and AJ Feeley filled in awsome for Donavan McNabb a couple seasons ago, should the Eagles have let him go to save some cap room? It just dosent make sense, and people dont understand that we cant do these things with guys carrying this kind of cap number. It would make things worse... not better. Arrington is going no where. Portis is going no where. None of these guys are leaving, I dont know why we even have to speculate it.[/QUOTE]

You can't compare Detmer and Feeley money to Arrington money. You want to use PHI as an example? Look what happened to Trotter before we signed him. It happens to the 'best' of them. :oink:

[QUOTE=BossHog]You can't compare Detmer and Feeley money to Arrington money. You want to use PHI as an example? Look what happened to Trotter before we signed him. It happens to the 'best' of them.[/QUOTE]
He was comparing (detmer & feeley vs McNabb) to (clemons & marshall vs Arrington, like you did in post #1).

What about Trotter before we got him???

I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.

That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker. :oink:

[QUOTE=BossHog]That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker. :oink:[/QUOTE]
So you would rather have Feeley & Detmer over McNabb?

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.[/QUOTE]


:iamwithst

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.[/QUOTE]

You're barking up the right tree Mr. Cap Expert. So you're saying Lavar Arrington will be a Redskin for the duration of his 8 year extension? Just as Stephen Davis played out his 10 year 100 million dollar contract(How much we 'Skins fans loved Stephen Davis)? Maybe that's the problem with our front office. We bite off other teams' trade bait and lose valuable trade picks and never come up with our own. And lose stars like Smoot and Davis to free agency.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]So you would rather have Feeley & Detmer over McNabb?[/QUOTE]

Hold this sign for me... :iamwithst

You're comparing apples to oranges. :oink:

[QUOTE=BossHog]Hold this sign for me...

You're comparing apples to oranges. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BossHog]That's my point as well. Who would rather have? A high-priced, brand-name guy who plays well or a budget-priced, no-name guy who plays just as well? Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, Arrington wrecks havoc. He has also blown more assignments than M street hooker. :oink:[/QUOTE]
My God, man, do you not understand what you wrote?!

Or are you trying write such conflicting posts just to get us to pull our hair out?

I'm not at all interested or concered about what PHI does! Who would you rather have Brunell or Ramsey and Hasselbeck? :oink:

[QUOTE=BossHog]You can't compare Detmer and Feeley money to Arrington money. You want to use PHI as an example? Look what happened to Trotter before we signed him. It happens to the 'best' of them. :oink:[/QUOTE]
Look it all stems from that comment.

It seemed as though you didn't understand Gman's post. I tried to clear it up for you. How we got here, I do not know. You tell me.

I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I am growing extremely tired of this crap...
In an effort to not be a jerk about this I will not use names but it is seriously time for some people around here to face the fact that they know nothing about football. Or at least don't have a firm grasp of the way the NFL works. On top of the fact that you don't trade an all pro line backer for apparently no good reason you also don't trade an all pro linebacker when it would KILL YOUR FREAKING CAP!!!. It would not save us any money at all next year. Listen up people...this team is built for next year. Next year is it. Talent wise next year will be our best year we've had in awhile and may be short lived since 2006 may require some serious rework for cap reasons. We are not trading Portis or Lavar or anybody outside of the obvious candidates...plain and simple it is not going to happen. ANd any 'journalist' who suggests otherwise clearly is making things up just for the heck of it...those tards over at Comcats must not understand the NFL as much as they would have you believe.[/QUOTE]I have a very little knowledge about the salary cap. Could you read my rply which is #8 and give me any insight you may have. Thanks

[QUOTE=firstdown]In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?[/QUOTE]

I remember back when we went our our big restricted free agent blitz when we got Coles, Hall, Thomas, etc., the WP had a very detailed article about the Redskins plan of attack, and I do remember them mentioning that Snyder had extensive cap spreadsheets of 3-year projections and he worked closely with those projections when he structured the contracts to ensure they were staying under the cap.

OK. As I said before, Marshall and Clemons filled in admirably in Arrington's absense. As did Feeley and Detmer did for PHI when McNabb was hurt. Just as Marshall, Clemons, Detmer, and Feeley all benefited from being in a system that plays to thier own strengths, realisticly, none of these guys aren't near franchise caliber personnel. We finally have a coach (Williams) and a system with core guys that need not an all-world, top-of-league-contract LB. Follow me? :oink:

I know we all love to speculate in the off-season, but I'm taking the stance that we are seriously stacked on the team for the next few years. Yes, a few free agent acquistions/draft picks to upgrade, NOT replace. I heard somewhere that if the Redskins were to have scored 23 more points this year, that their record would have been 10+ wins. I don't think that turning over the roster AGAIN is going to add those 23 points.

This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.

Bottom line:

Arrington isn't going anywhere, neither is Portis or Coles.

#1, Unless you're cleaning house due to cap reasons why would you trade your stars?

#2, with their contracts they are virtually untradeable, unless you want to bury the team with massive cap hits.

End of story.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.[/QUOTE]

True Maden Baller here. Yes, I play lots of Madden. But unlike most, I hate 'franchise' mode. :oink:

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I know we all love to speculate in the off-season, but I'm taking the stance that we are seriously stacked on the team for the next few years. Yes, a few free agent acquistions/draft picks to upgrade, NOT replace. I heard somewhere that if the Redskins were to have scored 23 more points this year, that their record would have been 10+ wins. I don't think that turning over the roster AGAIN is going to add those 23 points.

This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.[/QUOTE]We would have been 14 and 2

Any way we could find to trade LA for a ton of draft picks would, IMO, be a great move. Just like the cowboys did with Herschel Walker to get the picks that essentially built their championship team.

[QUOTE=irish]Any way we could find to trade LA for a ton of draft picks would, IMO, be a great move. Just like the cowboys did with Herschel Walker to get the picks that essentially built their championship team.[/QUOTE]HOW WOULD WE PAY ALL OF THESE DRAFT PICKS.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really think people play too much Madden and think that's the way the NFL works.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing...

[QUOTE=firstdown]HOW WOULD WE PAY ALL OF THESE DRAFT PICKS.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was about to say, if we get a bunch of picks we're going to have to sign all these guys, combined with the cap hit from Lavar, forget about it.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's what I was about to say, if we get a bunch of picks we're going to have to sign all these guys, combined with the cap hit from Lavar, forget about it.[/QUOTE]Who came up with this damn salary cap?LOL

The leagues gives you some special ways to pay draft picks even if you're strapped by the cap don't they?

I'm sure Vinny C and Danny S could work out a way to pay these picks. Since I'm not familiar with the redskins books I wont watse everyones time speculating. I think the cost of these picks would not be as high as thought because its not like the skins will get 5 1st round picks in 2007 and have to pay that all at once.

For those who have already made this point, please forgive me, but reading all these "trade Arrington" posts just causes me to retch.

STOP THE INSANITY - ARRINGTON IS GOING NOWHERE!!!

I think there's a cap within the cap for draft picks.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]
This is where I feel that an added WR/OL/DE is going to make a world of difference, not trading our best linebacker.[/QUOTE]

What if the only way to add a quality WR/OL/DE is to trade 'our best llinebacker'? We're still talking about Arrington right?

Maybe I'm one of the few who cared to look at at the 'Contracts' page, but I noticed we have some significant dead money being spent on the likes of Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkinson, et al, as high as 6 million dollars per! What I do know about contract rules is that signing bonuses are the only guaranteed money in the NFL. And signing bonuses can only be spread out over a period of four years (not sure what happens with extensions). When a player is traded his contract goes with him! When you cut a player, or he retires, the signing bonus goes against your cap accordingly.

Arrington has been nothing short of a franchise player on and off the field. I can't think of another guy other than Darrell Green who represents this team with such loyalty. And there's no need to worry about our cap situation whatever happens.

Every Year!
 

Every year there is a Rookie "Pool", and all of your rookie money must fit. It is separate, but also part of the total cap pool. Kind of like Dallas! It is part of Texas, but is totally founded and based on poop! If only our capologist, would show up here once and a while, we'd have less "talk" and more information. Some Canadian guy, I forget! (Senior moment, sorry!)

[QUOTE=firstdown]In one of gibbs last press confrence he was talking about a three year window in the cap space. This is a moving three year window. He said the team was fine as with the cap perspective over the next three years. Maybe danny boy has a syatem that we are overlooking with the cap room. Has he structured contracts for this? Is this a plan to keep renegotiating contracts to give us room? We allways are hearing about our cap problems but it seems every year we find the room to sign new players. Does anyone have any insight on this or have heard gibbs speak of this?[/QUOTE]
I am not the resident cap expert in in these here parts (that would good ole Canuck) but I do believe I have a rather sound grasp of the way the cap works and how teams get around it. I have written in the past about this adn I believe it to be true...the redksins manage the cap better than anyone in the league. In fact they probably blaze the trail on just about every good way to avoid cap difficulties. They have for years been discussed as going into cap hell next year or the year after or whenever and they never end up getting blown up like the 49ers. I actually think they'll be fine in 2006 but there will clearly be some reworking which I am hoping is a bad thing in that we were successful in '05 and making changes after that would be difficult.

The three year window is the they way I believe Joe Mendes adn Cerrato divised the handle the cap when Mendes was the cap expert for Danny Boy. Mendes was regarded as the best cap manager int he game and realized that you could basically float money around and put it off over and oevr again for long periods of time. It's akin to getting 2 credit cards and passing the balance back and forth to avoid finance charges and having to ever really pay the bill.

What they do is attempt to move as much money into the future as possible. Ideally the cap blows up in the projected 4th year from what I can tell. Then every year they do various restructurings and post-june cuts to fix any upcoming problems. Inevitably they'll end up with some high priced guys that get cut based on performance which always fixes the cap for the future. It looks to me like they build in dead money now. This may seem stupid to give up cap space ever year but when you think about it it is actually ingenius. They figure they can get a better and more talented roster by signing free agents which require big contracts that are usually back loaded in terms of the cap. This allows them to get a lot of talent in the follwoing year for less money on the cap than it really costs. The dead money is just the price you pay but you end up with more talent. There problem has not been in managing the cap but in eveluating talent.

Arrington is not going anywhere because it is not time for them to do anything about his contract. It would cost a ridiculous amount of money to do anything with him now. Trading him is no better than cutting him since all bonus money alrady paid excelerates foward onto the current year's cap. Without looking at his cap numbers I am guessing he would cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 mil on 2005 if we cut him or traded him. He aint going nowhere for 10 mil.