Chicagoschool principal outlaws brown bag lunches.
 

Hot lunches in the school cafeteria only.
Another fine socialist program.
:Flush:

[url=http://blog.heritage.org/2011/04/11/parents-cant-pack-lunches-in-obamas-chicagoland/]Chicago School Bans Kids from Bringing Lunches from Home[/url]

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Big Brother knows best........

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I think there are bigger things to worry about... and I doubt this is really all that hard to bypass if you want to get around it.

They best way to figure out if new ideas are good or stupid is to test them. the good ones spread to nearby counties and the bad ideas get revoked and go away.

I think school uniforms are stupid, but their effect on grades seems to be significant.

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i want to try and guess the public policy reason . . .

1) some kids have good things to eat in their bag like rice krispie treats, sandwhiches, snack packs and capri suns while other less provided for kids have pbj, hard thick slices of govt cheese and have to drink out of the water foutain

or

2) whatever political shot caller who proposed this law is getting paid under the table by whatever private company provides or makes the school cafeteria food ...

edit - dang it. i should have known, "its for the better of the children" thingy. although i believe my option 2 is still in play as a scandal takes time to be discovered.

that baltimore thing about an extra tax on soda is some BS, yeah baltimore put an extra tax on soda to help curb people buying soda and not b/c the city is in financial hell b/c of the lucrative insanely stupid deals they made with public servants unions re. pensions and all the people needing assistance . . .

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[quote=over the mountain;857839]i want to try and guess the public policy reason . . .

1) some kids have good things to eat in their bag like rice krispie treats, sandwhiches, snack packs and capri suns while other less provided for kids have pbj, hard thick slices of govt cheese and have to drink out of the water foutain

or

2) whatever political shot caller who proposed this law is getting paid under the table by whatever private company provides or makes the school cafeteria food ...[/quote]You're close. This "healthy eating" BS is just a cover for increasing the federal funding the school receives based on the potential increase of free & reduced lunch vouchers.

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]But reporters Monica Eng and Joel Hood suggest there are other reasons than a nutrition crusade: [B]"Any school that bans homemade lunches also puts more money in the pockets of the district's food provider, Chartwells-Thompson. The federal government pays the district for each free or reduced-price lunch taken, and the caterer receives a set fee from the district per lunch." [/B][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Read more: [URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/04/11/michelle-obamas-america-chicago-school-bans-bag-lunches-protect-kids-the#ixzz1dL62rEmx"]Michelle Obama's America: Chicago School Bans Bag Lunches to Protect Kids from Themselves | NewsBusters.org[/URL][/COLOR][/LEFT]

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sadly everything remotely related to politics is all about money.

that was a fun game though. read some headline then try and guess the warped "alleged" social policy behind it . .

"No flags allowed to be displayed on flag day"
"Fed ban on sale of tobacco to persons dying of terminal cancer"
"schools exploiting 'no child left behind act' loopholes"
"house republicans demand better healthcare . . .for fed employees"
"Detriot is losing residents, raises housing tax to make up budget gap"
"cheese manufacturers now not required to use any diary products . .whatsoever"
"school district cancels music"

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Should be no problem funding it? Just steal it from the SS fund and deny a few life saving procedures to Seniors (Toooo Old) with the New Health care plan.......

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[quote=over the mountain;857839]i want to try and guess the public policy reason . . .

1) some kids have good things to eat in their bag like rice krispie treats, sandwhiches, snack packs and capri suns while other less provided for kids have pbj, hard thick slices of govt cheese and have to drink out of the water foutain

or

2) whatever political shot caller who proposed this law is getting paid under the table by whatever private company provides or makes the school cafeteria food ...

edit - dang it. i should have known, "its for the better of the children" thingy. although i believe my option 2 is still in play as a scandal takes time to be discovered.

that baltimore thing about an extra tax on soda is some BS, yeah baltimore put an extra tax on soda to help curb people buying soda and not b/c the city is in financial hell b/c of the lucrative insanely stupid deals they made with public servants unions re. pensions and all the people needing assistance . . .[/quote]

Hey I love a good PBJ. The question is crunchy or smooth?

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The problem is not the food it the lack of exercise that we don't get. My grandmothers generation ate a ton of high fat salty foods but they got plenty of exercise doing everyday chores. I can remember getting up in the morning to eggs, bacon, biscuts, and grits. Lunch was a couple of hot dogs or a hamburger. Then dinner was fried chicken, mash potatoes, gravy, rolls, beans etc...and they ate like that every day.

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I think the ACLU successfully sued a school district over a similar policy a few years ago. Pretty sure it was in Indiana.

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And it continues......
Welcome to living in a police state.

[url=http://www.nccivitas.org/2012/state-inspectors-searching-childrens-lunch-boxes-this-isnt-china-is-it/]State Inspectors Searching Children’s Lunch Boxes: “This Isn’t China, Is It?” - Civitas Institute[/url]

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Link not working for me. With that said ...

[B]Police State[/B]: (n) country repressively controlled by its government: a country in which the government uses police, especially secret police, to exercise strict or repressive control over the population
[url=http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+police+state&qpvt=definition+of+police+state&FORM=DTPDIA]define police state - Bing DICTIONARY[/url]

While the erosion of personal freedoms is a concern and, certainly, individual liberties have been sacrificed for the "general welfare". We are far from a police state. We may eventually become one, but the mere fact that the "State" exercises police powers does not make us a "Police State". You want a police state? Try Nazi Germany. Try Iran - both under the Shah and the current theocracy.

Hyperbole like this only polarizes the argument. We are flawed and we will continue to be so. There are other countries that are more "free" than us but none with as large and disparate a population as ours.

Sorry, it just irks me when either the left or the right start comparing our country to "police states" or equates it with the Nazis. Just a peeve. I'll stop my rant now.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885607]Link not working for me. With that said ...

[B]Police State[/B]: (n) country repressively controlled by its government: a country in which the government uses police, especially secret police, to exercise strict or repressive control over the population
[url=http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+police+state&qpvt=definition+of+police+state&FORM=DTPDIA]define police state - Bing DICTIONARY[/url]

While the erosion of personal freedoms is a concern and, certainly, individual liberties have been sacrificed for the "general welfare". We are far from a police state. We may eventually become one, but the mere fact that the "State" exercises police powers does not make us a "Police State". You want a police state? Try Nazi Germany. Try Iran - both under the Shah and the current theocracy.

Hyperbole like this only polarizes the argument. We are flawed and we will continue to be so. There are other countries that are more "free" than us but none with as large and disparate a population as ours.

[B]Sorry, it just irks me when either the left or the right start comparing our country to "police states" or equates it with the Nazis. Just a peeve. I'll stop my rant now.[/B][/quote]

You are correct. While there are aspects of life in the USA which I find to be problematic in terms of government control, we are no where near a "police state" and it is unfair to say that we are.

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I dont think its hyperbole. Its a very fitting term AFAIC.
Our childrens lunches are being policed.
A government official is telling us what we may or may not feed our children.
Thats overblown govt and its big govt and its utter bullshit.
We do not need a govt appointed meal nanny.

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I think they should just take fat kids away from their parents until they lose the weight.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;885611]I dont think its hyperbole. Its a very fitting term AFAIC.
Our childrens lunches are being policed.
A government official is telling us what we may or may not feed our children.
Thats overblown govt and its big govt and its utter bullshit.
We do not need a govt appointed meal nanny.[/quote]

C'mon. We're talking about control of school lunches in limited places.

This is nowhere near the same as complete government control of the media, the internet, publishing houses, the judiciary, and entire school curricula, with secret police embedded to tattle-tale on their neighbors.

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First, I agree that this an overly intruisive govt. action. At the same time, it does not transform either the US, the state of North Carolina or even the Hoke County school board into a "police state". If it did, the mother would currently be in jail for voicing an opinion contrary to the school board's position and the local papers shut down.

Call it what it is so that it can be properly dealt with: An overly intruisive govt. action caused by legitimate civic concern about the national youth obesity epidemic. THEN, we can rationally see if there are ways to address the underlying group concern in a way that maximizes individual liberty.

I recognize that doesn't have the sexiness of comparing an over zealous school board to nazis, but it just might lead to a rational and intelligent resolution of the issue. Silly me to hope for such a result.

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[quote=Lotus;885617]C'mon. We're talking about control of school lunches in limited places.

This is nowhere near the same as complete government control of the media, the internet, publishing houses, the judiciary, and entire school curricula, with secret police embedded to tattle-tale on their neighbors.[/quote]


I agree.
However baby steps turn into giant steps.
If I wanted some govt twit to check my childs lunch I would of asked.
Until I do they need to back off and do something a lot more constructive with my tax money.

Call it what you want but it seems like the police and the govt get more power every year.
Next thing you know you cant throw a frisbee on a beach....oh wait....

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[quote=Alvin Walton;885623]I agree.
However baby steps turn into giant steps.
If I wanted some govt twit to check my childs lunch I would of asked.
Until I do they need to back off and do something a lot more constructive with my tax money.

Call it what you want but it seems like the police and the govt get more power every year.
[B]Next thing you know you cant throw a frisbee on a beach....oh wait....[/B][/quote]

LOL

I agree with the fact that we are ceding more individual liberties to the government. BUT, in saying that, let's characterize "the Government" correctly. More and more, group rights are trumping individual liberties. Part of that is natural and necessary for a society of 300,000,000 to live and work together. Some of it is through laziness, some of it is b/c people on both sides rely on hyperbole, demagougery and emotional rhetoric that doesn't properly frame the question.

You want to protect individual liberty? Then frame the question properly - where do the rights of the group stop ('cause they/we have them) and the rights of the individual begin. Calling people nazis and part of police state plays into the hands of the "group rights" crowd because, underlying these intrusions is almost always a legitimate societal concern:

"Were not evil nazis, that's just a bunch of right wing scare tactics. We are just trying to make sure all of our kids are eating healthy lunches to combat the epidemic of youth obesity - which, by the way, these right wingers fail to mention is harming our children and costing us billions in health care dollars."

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I don't care for scare tactics either and the police statement I made was just sarcasm.

In this case the govt is supplementing or changing parental control with their own version of it.
I wouldnt have a problem with govt diet eggheads trying to educate more parents regarding child obesity.
But in this case they are literally taking potato chips out of kids hands and forcing carrot sticks into them.
efff that!

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Here's another article on the same subject.
The school had the nerve to charge the parent for the forced lunch.
Maybe instead of schools they should be called govt re-education facilities.

[url=http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=719549#.TzvWPoEneaf]Preschooler's home-made lunch replaced with 'nuggets' : News : NorthwestOhio.com[/url]

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I agree with your position, it was just the characterism of the action with which I disagreed. Call it semantics but, to me, words and definitions - particularly in emotionally charged debates - are important.

The school lunch thing is really out of hand. I get the concern but somewhere, somehow some over zealous little bureaucrats are running rampant. I would be on the phone to my rep & the papers and be filing an injunctive action and a FOIA request to make that little bureaucrats life a living hell. City hall can be fought, you just need to be persistant, paper it up and hit'em where they hurt - i.e. make SOMEONE claim responsibility for it. As soon as someone - bureaucrat or politician - gets held accountable, watch how fast they move to change their unpopular position.

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I have a good idea. Get these fat ass lazy kids off their ass playing video games and get them outside doing something. The food is not the problem its the lazy parents and lazy kids. What happend to gym. Back when I was a kid we played dodge ball and that made the fat kids the targets but they had to move to dodge the balls. When I think back to the 80's we really only had chubby kids and I don't remember any really fat kids like we have today. Maybe it was because they got their excersize from dodging balls and running from the mean kids.

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i spray a fat kid with the hose every two weeks when my friend passes a grade

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[quote=los panda;885654]i spray a fat kid with the hose every two weeks when my friend passes a grade[/quote]

Will someone translate that please.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;885660]Will someone translate that please.[/quote][ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLO4C3_iERw]Are you okay? - YouTube[/ame]

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Well it seems to be starting.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/preschoolers-homemade-lunch-replaced-with-nuggets/]Preschooler's Homemade Lunch Replaced With Nuggets | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;886047]Well it seems to be starting.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/preschoolers-homemade-lunch-replaced-with-nuggets/]Preschooler's Homemade Lunch Replaced With Nuggets | Fox News[/url][/quote]

Thats not an addtional incident.
Same school/kid I posted above.

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Much ado about nothing...


[url=http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/02/15/a-north-carolina-non-troversy/]A North Carolina Non-Troversy? — The League of Ordinary Gentlemen[/url]

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[quote=724Skinsfan;886056]Much ado about nothing...


[URL="http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/02/15/a-north-carolina-non-troversy/"]A North Carolina Non-Troversy? — The League of Ordinary Gentlemen[/URL][/quote]

Those articles seem contradict themselves. They say they don't go through the childrens lunch bags but they monitor what they are eating. So while they might not be reaching in the lunch bag and removing its contents they are viewing the contents at some point. I also don't buy that they then just offer them additional foods to supliment their lunch. If thats true. Then they just sit by when a child is sucking down a soda and other junk and not touching the meal they also try to provide. Right. Also if they only provide whats missing then why did the child eat the chicken nuggets because she had a turkey sandwish witch provided meat. The only thing I can see the mother left out was a vegetable. Maybe the schools need to get back to teaching and not feeding because they are failing at that.