Build the Redskins for 2012
 

Ok so the seasons over for the Skins. We are not going to the playoffs, we all can accept that (if you can't then just click the back button because you're not gonna like this post). We're a little more than halfway through the season but we can already tell a lot about this team.

YOU my friend, are the Skins GM, Bruce Allen and Your also Mike Shanahan, You have complete control of the Skins and all their decisions (see where this thread is going). What are you going to do? Who do you retain? Who do you say Goodbye to? How do you build this team through the draft? What do you do in the draft? What about Free Agency? Whats the first thing you do once this season is officially done in terms of re-signing/extending?

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Resign. :)

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1) Re-sign LaRon Landry
2) Re-sign London to $4.5/1 year deal
3) Cut Beck and Doughty and Jammal Brown
4) Tell DeAngelo Hall to take a pay cut or be cut
5) Give Cooley a take it or leave it deal
6) Re-sign Kory L and Will Montgomery

Free Agency
Go after Vincent Jackson, Ben Grubbs, and one of the premier CB's (Brent Grimes, Cortland Finnegan, or Brandon Carr)

Draft
Make the trade for Luck. IF the trade is demanding too much (more than 3 first round picks) you go for plan B.

Plan B
Draft Vontaze Burfict in the first. Draft Nick Foles in the second. OLine, CB's, DL for the next couple of rounds. Get Kellen Moore if he's there in the 4th-6th round range. Get a TE in the later rounds because Cooley probably won't take my deal.

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draft a franchise qb in either luck, or trade down, pick up a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder and get RG3, get a true number one receiver, and draft a bunch of guards and tackles. Leaver defense as is.

Cut Grossman, cut Banks, cut J. Brown, cut K. Barnes, and cut Doughty

try to trade Deangelo Hall for a 3rd, pick up the best CB we can get via FA.

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I say the Redskins need to keep their top defensive players on the roster. They also need to add a corner back. Josh Wilson hasn't shown me that he's a reliable option opposite D. Hall. The Redskins are basically very good at every position on defense. I'm not so sure that Kevin Barnes is a good nickle corner but he does play hard.

Offense needs to be totally retooled with new players. I like the running backs the Redskins already have. I like the TEs. But the Redskins need to draft a QB, a WR, and strive to get draft quality offensive linemen. I like Jamaal Brown, but let's face it, his play is erratic. He's good and he's less than good at times so the right tackle position needs to be looked at.

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I think a long term project should be a total rebuild of the secondary. With that said, I would try to extend Landry to something reasonable that doesn't commit the Redskins for more than a year or two. I think you look at the contracts of Hall and Atogwe and try to determine what sort of production you are getting and if it's worth it to have either back next year. I would be totally okay with Wilson, Landry, and a bunch of new faces next season. But I don't think we should cut people just to cut people, I think we need to consider the production against the cost.

We need more depth on the DL. We can probably get away with ignoring that position early in the draft, but not late. Just getting Jarvis Jenkins back isn't going to completely fix the depth issues.

Offensively, I'd like to get someone to pair with Hankerson to threaten teams on the outside. But the real job should be to come away with a right tackle, a running back, and a quarterback in the first four rounds of the draft. If you have to rely on the current group of receivers for another year, you can likely get away with it.

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I will elaborate later when I have more time but here are some guide markers:


1. There are no quality QBs on the roster. [B]NONE![/B] The Skins need to draft a QB plus they need to get someone in free agency to back him up/mentor him.
[B]BIG CHALLENGE HERE:[/B] Whomever the Skins draft as the next QB cannot be a bust. No Colt Brennans; no Patrick Ramseys; no Heath Shulers.


2. The position of running back may be a relatively high priority [B]IF[/B] Tim Hightower signs elsewhere or is slow in returning to football form. Gotta wait until about March 2012 to check that one out.


3. [B]At least one new body[/B] has to be added to the OL - - and preferably two. It does not matter if they come from the draft or free agency but there have to be changes there.


4. Unless Landry wants to sign a [B]VERY[/B] short deal with only a little guaranteed money, I would wish him well in his future endeavors in the league.


5. Unless Fletcher wants a jillion dollars guaranteed or a 5-year deal, I'd sign him up the day after the signing period starts.


6. Getting a top-shelf free agent WR would be nice. I would settle for someone out of free agency who is a step up from Gaffney/Armstrong/Paul.


7. Brandon Banks is a luxury this team cannot afford.


8. I would still be looking for a nose tackle for this 3-4 defense that has been mandated from on high.


9. [B]Most of all,[/B] I would find a way to get Kyle Shanahan a job somewhere else where he had plausible deniability that he had been fired from this job because the place he is going is something he always wanted to do. That is probably the toughest one of all...

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Resign both Landry and Fred Davis. Restructure Cooley and look to bring back. London should be resigned. D Hall likely can be restructured as well.

Priority number 1: New Starters at ILB, LG, C, WR1, QB and CB (nickle or starter). I would look to free agency for C and WR1.

Questions at Oline is whether to shift Chester to C and look for 2 new Guards and Can Kory return? I believe Kory and Montgomery are both free agents and I dont see them as anything but average. We should look to improve there.

Depth at Safety, D Line and Tackle should be looked at as second level priorities and movement there is likely.

There is no question, QB is number one priority.

Im lost on the RB situation, but Hightower should be considered to be brought back and Helu is a solid number 2 back. Torain looks done. I would consider Hillis as a free agent, or a look at another Shanny special in the draft.

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Find next year's Andy Dalton and focus almost exclusively on Offense. O-line, O-line, O-line.

Without making a single change, the Defense would be improved if they could play with the lead every once in a while and had an Offense that could keep opposing Offenses off the field. Turnovers tend to occur more frequently when teams are playing catch-up and have to pass every down.

You can win Super Bowls with pretty good Wide Receivers and Running Backs (See Patriots x 3, see Willie Parker, see Joseph Addai, See Ryan Grant, etc.)

QB Play + O-Line + Solid Defense = playoffs every year.

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First things first, I do not know which prospects are better than others.

But first, you look at all the potentially interesting candidates you can find from FA, draft, and trades.

I would consider making about 1 big splash and a bunch of little splashes in free agency. Bowe, Wayne, Solail would be the big splash. Otherwise, the rest of the players are those "unknown bargain bin players".

Draft-wise, I'd scout out the QBs heavily, and [B]if [/B]one of them is "worthy" and he falls to us, we take him. If no, then we take the BPA at any other position besides RB, TE, P, and K. The rest of the draft should be BPA, since we in [I]desperate[/I] need of long-term "gotta lock them up for 5+ years" type of players.

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1. Resign Landry.
2. Cut Grossman
3. Sign top tier CB & WR & C - Free agents
4. Trade Atogwe (he's hurt to much) for best draft pick we can get.
5. Draft best QB available R1
6. Sign Best Free Agent QB available.
7. Rest of draft - OL, OL, DT, ILB, S, CB, HB OL - best availible during draft
8. Cooley - pay cut or trade for whatever we can get
9. Hightower - resign at bargain price

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2 new QBs. Whatever else they want to do I don't care

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Trade for Andrew Luck at all costs. I mean like a Ditka move, trade away the entire draft and throw in next year's 1st rounder if you have to. If impossible, then prioritize as follows:

- Franchise QB with mobility, if available in draft
- Wide Receiver
- Right Tackle
- Guard

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have to draft a quarterback in the 1st round. id be fine with trading up to draft luck, id be fine with barkley, and id be ok with RG3. those are the only 3 id be happy with. one way or another, we need to draft one of those 3.

i'd try to focus on getting a vereran wide receiver in free agency rather than drafting a wide receiver. we have a lot of young guys, we need a guy that can come in right away and be a playmaker. hopefully we focus on getting that in free agency.

id bring in a stud corner in free agency as well if possible. that way we could play wilson as the nickle corner. either way, we need to add more depth to our secondary. id definitely add a corner and a safety in the draft.

obviously we need some more depth on the offensive line. id add depth in the draft but sign a right tackle to start for us.

in terms of our own current personnel, id re-sign fletcher and landry. id keep beck and let grossman go as he is not under contract for next season i believe. id part ways with jamaal brown.

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Arrange the coaching so that Kyle Little Shan does not call the plays anymore.
And or let him find a high school team to coach.

QB -#1 draft pick, but do NOT give up the farm for a Luck trade.

OL - 2nd, 3rd and 4th round draft picks.

RB - Hightower will not be 100% next year. Helu may be a #1. Keep Torain.
Draft another in the mid rounds.

WR - Keep Gaffney, hope Moss bounces back and hope that Paul becomes something usable. The big thing here is to know is if Hankerson turns into a consistent starter AKA a #1. I would start him the rest of this year and find out.

TE -Davis is #1...period. Cooley....sorry dude, I luv ya, always been a Skin favorite but at this point I dont care if you stay or go, need youth and guys that can block.

DL - Need depth, otherwise I think we are pretty good there.

ILB - If Fletcher can stay another year then great. Rocky is not consistent but I'd keep him in the interest of spending draft picks on the offense.
Are there decent FA LBs next year?

The secondary - I could spend a half hour typing this up....blah...needs a lot of work.

ST - Replace Banks, he hasn't done squat, other than that its in pretty decent shape.

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sell out for a good QB, draft/sign 3 OL guys, no less. we need a OG, RT, and a 6th starter for injury insurance.

secondary concerns would be a true #1 CB and a #1 WR, though i think our WRs w/ moss are okay if the QB/line weren't awful.

another DB (safety or #3 CB) would be nice, as would another DL guy.

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It's a little early for this thread. We don't know who will be FA, we don't know who will announce for the draft, and we don't know where we'll pick.

That said, here goes:
1) Send Beck packing. Re-sign Wrecks to a low-risk contract so that he can be cut as soon as he is done tutoring. Sign best possible FA QB. Sell the house to draft the best possible QB. Pick up another rookie QB in the late rounds or UDFA.
2) draft WR in the second round (if we still have that pick) so we can give our new QB a target
3) draft CB in the third round
4) re-sign F. Davis, Landry, and Hightower
5) restructure or trade Cooley
6) get good young ILB in FA
7) use lower draft picks and FA to build OL depth, RB depth, and depth at every level of the defense

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[quote=SmootSmack;858224]2 new QBs. Whatever else they want to do I don't care[/quote]

I agree, however I'll add that we really need a bona fide #1 WR. Badly.

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Ok like Lotus it's kinda hard but it ALL STARTS with the QB position, I want a Rookie QB to come in and pretty much start day1.. Draft wise I'd say something like...

Round 1. - Robert Griffin III- We won't get Luck no chance and I'd rather have RGIII than Barkley, I don't like USC QB's just the weak arm aspect and no mobility kills me. Palmer was solid but not great... IF RG stays at Baylor which is doubtful, I'd consider Landry Jones (but he's almost certain to stay at OU) or Nick Foles from ARIZONA. Again we need to draft a QB in the 1st round and commit to the guy, give him the help he needs to become a big time QB.

Round2. I say we trade back into the first round somehow and grab WR Alshon Jeffery from S.C, big physical possession WR the redskins have missed for YEARS! I'd love Blackmon here but he'll be a top 5 pick IMO. Give our young QB some talent (Bengals for example) Hankerson, Moss and Jeffery and we will be much better off.

Later rounds I'd go OL, and DB.

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Free Agency priorities..
1. OL- I actually think our line isn't all that bad considering. I do hope for another G and if Brown leaves of course a RT.
2. DB- Hall isn't leaving folks but we are BAD at CB and need some serious help there.
3. LB- Flecth is getting OLDER by the MIN even though I love the guy but we need some help and Rocky is just losing a step out there.
4. WR- NEED TALENT that is plain and simple
5. RB- TH had a bad injury and Helu is still unproven. ATV is just AVG it's important to get a guy that is a threat.


BOLD PREDICTION FOR 2012 FREE AGENCY

Skins will sign WR Dwayne Bowe from KC, Just a wild thought.

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Blackmon will NOT be a top 5 pick. He's good but not Calvin Johnson.

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You wanna bet? He's considered by some experts as a better prospect than Calvin was at GT

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Also Dez Bryant was a top 10 talent but the Deion fiasco screwed him over And JB is better than Bryant

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[quote=skinsfaninok;858234]You wanna bet? He's considered by some experts as a better prospect than Calvin was at GT[/quote]

Yes I do wanna bet. Experts that say that are retarded, Calvin Johnson played in an option run offense. JB is good but better than Calvin coming out? No, hell no. I am not even sure he's better than Dez. Look over the past few years, teams are not using 1st rd picks on WRs like they used to. Why? Because they can be had elsewhere.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;858235]Also Dez Bryant was a top 10 talent but the Deion fiasco screwed him over And JB is better than Bryant[/quote]

Deion didnt screw him, Dez screwed himself by lying.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;858236]Yes I do wanna bet. Experts that say that are retarded, Calvin Johnson played in an option run offense. JB is good but better than Calvin coming out? No, hell no. I am not even sure he's better than Dez. Look over the past few years, teams are not using 1st rd picks on WRs like they used to. Why? Because they can be had elsewhere.[/quote]


Megatron is the best WR in football DGMW But I would take JB in a heartbeat plus he's got a great attitude, Dez did screw himself I agree but still he would have been a top 10 pick prob.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;858236]Yes I do wanna bet. Experts that say that are retarded, Calvin Johnson played in an option run offense. JB is good but better than Calvin coming out? No, hell no. I am not even sure he's better than Dez. Look over the past few years, teams are not using 1st rd picks on WRs like they used to. Why? Because they can be had elsewhere.[/quote]

calvin johnson did not play in an option run offense. georgia tech only became that after he left for the nfl when they hired paul johnson. but i agree, johnson was a better prospect than blackmon, but blackmon is definitely legit. either way, we need a qb in round 1.

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CJ played with reggie ball, who couldn't get the ball within 20 feet of him.

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Blackmon is worthy of a top 5 probably... should be taken in the top 10

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[quote=skinsfaninok;858232]I'd consider Landry Jones (but he's almost certain to stay at OU).[/quote]

skinsfaninok,

Listen up and listen good! I'm getting tired of you telling us that Landry Jones is not going to be in this year's draft. Jones is the player I want as our next QB and, since you live in Norman, OK, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that he is in this year's draft and that the Skins pick him. So drop all of your negativity about Jones staying in school and git -r-done. No excuses!

Come to think of it, Justin Blackmon is in Oklahoma. Make sure we get him, too.

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^ Lol man I'd like to think he would enter the draft but "people of knowledge" here in Norman believe he will come back for his senior season. As for Blackmon he's 100% leaving OSU lol but idk about us grabbing him he'll be gone before we pick prob

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can't you guys wait til the off season for the stuff?

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First off you'd like to think we can get a QB, however I just dont see us in a positon to get Luck, and after watching him last night....not overly impressed. I say we go Blackman WR from Oaklahoma St. True #1 receiver we have lacked for the better part of 15 years. He looks like a freak of man and can make an immediate impact on offense.
I think we can build the offensive line in 2nd and 3rd rounds, going guard and RT. I think Jamaal Brown has been playing relatively good and has another year or two in him, so if there is a better player, maybe a DT, CB that is available in the 3rd maybe we go that route.

I beleive we can get a QB of 2nd round or even 3rd (if we have multiple picks in those rounds). I believe Cousins from Mich St, Texas A&M QB (name slips) Baylor's RGIII, may slide up the boards, but I think they could possibly be around in the 2nd round.

Offensively we have to draft studs this year, which is why I am going after Blackman, he seems like the most immediate impact player we can get next year. WIth progressions of Paul, Hankerston, Austin, we could have a decent little corp.

Trade Moss, get what you can.

Resign OUR guys. Landry, Fletcher. Let Riley play at some point, I think the guy will be decent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;858261]can't you guys wait til the off season for the stuff?[/quote]

Thats what Trent Williams and Fred Davis were thinking.

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- Re-sign Davis, Fletcher, Landry (none for elite money)
- Re-structure Cooley, Hall, Atogwe contracts
- Cut Beck, McIntosh, Doughty, Banks, Brown
- Draft a QB and 2 O-linemen in the first 3 rounds of the 2012 draft
- Sign a #1 WR and a legit nickel corner in free agency

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If CB position is that much of a problem, then the team f*cked up by not signing Johnathan Joseph or Nnamdi this past offseason. There aren't any good FA CBs this upcoming offseason except Finnegan, and he's a head case.

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[quote=Ruhskins;858355]If CB position is that much of a problem, then the team f*cked up by not signing Johnathan Joseph or Nnamdi this past offseason. There aren't any good FA CBs this upcoming offseason except Finnegan, and he's a head case.[/quote]I would argue that Carlos Rogers should have been re-signed. He could have been retained for less than signing Joseph or Asomugha, and he's among the better cover corners that is also very physical against the run (much moreso than either of our starting CBs). The only thing preventing Rogers from elite status was his inability to catch the ball, but he seems to be doing that for SF now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;858261]can't you guys wait til the off season for the stuff?[/quote]

It's November. It is the offseason for the Redskins.

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[quote=Ruhskins;858355]If CB position is that much of a problem, then the team f*cked up by not signing Johnathan Joseph or Nnamdi this past offseason. There aren't any good FA CBs this upcoming offseason except Finnegan, and he's a head case.[/quote]

It is a problem, Vinny ****ed up by giving Hall a huge contract which basically prevented the skins from signing Rogers back and souring his attitude. Hall and Wilson are at best average, this team needs a good cover corner.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;858921]It is a problem, Vinny ****ed up by giving Hall a huge contract which basically prevented the skins from signing Rogers back and souring his attitude. Hall and Wilson are at best average, [B]this team needs a good cover corner.[/B][/quote]

There were two great cover corners available this past offseason, so b*tch at the FO for that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;858955]There were two great cover corners available this past offseason, so b*tch at the FO for that.[/quote]

Brandon Carr
Brent Grimes
Tracy Porter
Cortland Finegan
Tarrell Thomas


Those are the FA corners that will be available come this offseason. I highly suggest we bring in one of them and cut DHall.