Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss
 

During the "Mail Time" portion of the program today a viewer asked if the Vikes should deal him and would anyone be interested. Wilbon said teams would be and Kornheiser continually repeated "Redskins...Redskins...Redskins."

I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him.

This is exactly the type of idea that makes me despise Dan Snyder. The fact that Skins fans thinks we could/should trade for Moss because Snyder is a loose cannon with his checkbook. Whether they express public interest or not I can guarantee that the idea would cross Snyder's mind. Moss is a great player, should we make a run at him?

Nope we shouldn't cause he neve plays well in the big games. Plus he's got a bad attitude, forget him. What needs to happen is LC getting his toe fixed so he can dominate and a better offensive playbook.

jdlea: Snyder spends. Yet we never seem up in cap hell. Randy Moss would instantly make our passing game respectable. Randy Moss needs strong leadership to set him straight. Our coaching staff has that, but it's something we're sorely lacking from a player standpoint. LaVar has yet to step up as a team leader, Smoot may be gone, etc.

Even with an anemic passing defense like ours you think teams won't put a safety overtop of Moss? As Dante Culpeper said, he's the best Decoy in the game. Now as far as what I'd be willing to give up in a trade, I don't know. Depends on how steep the Viking's demands are. Now, don't be too sure the Vikings will even deal him, every year we hear the Vikings want to deal Moss, even though the Vikings owner loves him.

Snyder opens his checkbook, get's any player his COACHING STAFF wants, and brings him in all while keeping us out of cap hell. If that means we have to cut a few big name players down the road who won't restructure (Lavar, Springs, Brunell, Portis, etc no one is safe.) Then so be it, if they want to be "Redskins" so bad they'll be willing to take a healthy salary to stay part of the franchise. If they choose to get another payday, I understand that too. It's part of the business, but so is the Redskins FO letting them go. Snyder has made bad moves before in personel decesions, especially early in his tenure. Owners can be rookies too. Since then he's gotten only players the coaches want and still is demonized by the fans and press for trying to assemble a winning team in Washington. To Snyder I say thank you and continue trying to make this a winning franchise. Right now, very few changes would help us. Moss is an impact guy and could really make our team dangerous. I wouldn't be against it (as long as the Vikes don't get too much) but I don't think it's probable.

Also - look at his numbers against Dallas. He HATES Dallas, and plays big against them always. Moss plays well in big games, he's been too bothered with stupid controversey this week, he had some drops. We all know that isn't Moss's MO.

id be pretty pissed if we traded for him

After seeing Moss play (sort of) this weekend I'd hate to have him on the roster. Burress would be better. I'd take a chance with Williams first though.

I think Moss and maybe Michael Bennett are going to end up reunited with Dennis Green in Arizona.

And that's fine by me. Moss is a great talent but we'd have to give up a lot to get him. And I'd rather just build on what we currently have

You really think with Fitz, Boldin, and 1-2 other 1st round WRs down in Arizona that they'll go after Moss? Hell, Marcel Shipp is a great back down there in Arizona. I'd be suprised if they gave up what's necessary for Moss.

I'd also be suprised not to see either Bennett, Smith, or both dealt for some defense.

moss is an ass. if the skins are stupid enough to trade for a guy that has absolutley no respect for the game than gibby has truley lost his mind. this guy is cancer in the clubhouse

I didn't really even mean to bash Snyder in that thread, I just sorta ran into it. One thing that I will say [B]does not[/B] help us win is turnover. Turnover of a good players in particular and you can't say that's not Snyder's doing. You can't keep rebuilding a team, give them 2 years and then tear them apart. Excuse me for not liking a guy who has had one playoff season and made terrible moves. I love the Gibbs hire and think this [B]will[/B] turn us around, but I don't know.

That said, I don't know about the Moss thing. He would bring a lot to the field. I really don't respect Culpepper's ability at all. He does the same thing that Gus Frerotte did when he came in. I think that Ramsey's arm strength is comparable to Culpepper's, so I believe the Skins could do basically the same thing offensively. I also think this would give us leeway with the Coles injury, if he had to miss time, we could live with that.

All that said, I think the negative outwieghs the positive. I don't think Moss will ever change no matter who leads his team. I thought Carter would help him more than he did, but they got into shouting matches with Culpepper on the side lines. He got into shouting matches with Carter on the sidelines. I don't think he can be controlled. I definitely don't think Gibbs could reach him because I don't think he'd listen to him. I think it would be terrible for our team if we got him.

And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.

I'm not sure Green is totally sold on Shipp. And I've heard some rumors that he might go after Bennett.

As for Moss, I'm just guessing but Green's offense can never have too many receivers. The Cardinals have a lot of solid defensive linemen, something the Vikings could use.

But anyway, almost every player who is on the trading block or facing free agency you're sure to see some headline indicating the Redskins interest. Sometimes I think that agents plant these stories to drive up the value of their players "Oh you won't accept our offer well we'll just take it to Dan Snyder, he told us he's willing to pay X amount" And considering DS' track record, why wouldn't it seem believable even if it's not true

Tempting as it may be I wouldn't make the move for Moss if I were Snyder.

He's too much of a distraction on and off the field. Great talent, arguably the most talented WR to have played the game, but is he worth the headaches?

[QUOTE=jdlea]I know a lot of you think we should probably trade Portis and Coles for him so we can start Betts and have a great reciever. Or even LaVar since they are a bad defensive team. I know most of you will shoot it down and say Gibbs likes the "character guys." Wilbon even said that himself, but Kornheiser pointed out that the Skins owner would have to be infatuated with him.[/QUOTE]

...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.

[QUOTE=flyfischer]...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not ideas like cutting/trading LaVar, Portis and Coles are brought up on a regular basis

:doh:

Doesn't all this talk remind anyone of something that took place a few years ago?????? Deion friggin Sanders....the boards were so against it as was I and I am adamately against a trade for Randy Moss.

Just thought this would bring back some ugly memories.

yep...nothin like 10-6, a playoff win, and a promising offense, to over the hill superstars and an 8-8 season that began our slide into a laughing stock.

If the Vikes said we could have Moss for free I wouldn't want him on this team!!! He is a total piece of crap!!! Great reciever?? Yes. when he wants to be!! He's the offensive version of Deion and we know what happened with Deion. Please, don't even think of bringing Moss to DC!!!

all the reporters always say that tice gives moss free reign to do what he wants. Allows the randy factor and all that other crap. Gibbs wouldnt tolerate any of that. We shouldnt give up much for him, but if they are looking to dump him how could you not like what it would do to our receiving corp. i dont care if he moons the cowboys everytime they play.

[QUOTE=jdlea]And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.[/QUOTE]

What the hell.....get rid of our best guys???????

[QUOTE=azskinsfan2]If the Vikes said we could have Moss for free I wouldn't want him on this team!!! He is a total piece of crap!!! Great reciever?? Yes. when he wants to be!! He's the offensive version of Deion and we know what happened with Deion. Please, don't even think of bringing Moss to DC!!![/QUOTE]AMEN:biggthump

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Quote:
[QUOTE=jdlea]And I will never apologize for thinking that trading/cutting Portis, Coles, and/or LaVar is a good idea.[/QUOTE]

What the hell.....get rid of our best guys???????[/QUOTE]

That came out completely wrong. I meant to say that I will never apologize for thinking that trading them is a bad idea. I'm a jackass for not proof reading that. If you hadn't quoted I never would have caught it. Seriously, I think it's a terrible idea and I apologize for the confusion.


[QUOTE=flyfischer]...who thinks that? Betts had one good game, he struggled last year when he had his chance. We can't trade our whole team, and why would we want to? If someone gets on here and says we need to trade Portis, LaVar, or Coles, that just shows how little they know about the game. Granted some backups stepped up this year, but trading LaVar...come on. Since when does one good year mean anything. Marshall is NOT better. Portis rushed for 1300 yards with a new system, and Coles was hurt. Give these guys a chance. Good grief. I'm glad no one on this site has no say in what really happens because we'd be 0-16 every year.[/QUOTE]

There has been discussion that Betts should be the unquestioned starter because he ran on the Vikes. He actually had less yards than their average, so it wasn't even a great day, but the board was split on the idea of trading Portis. The same happened about a week later with LaVar. People seem to think that a Herschel Walker trade would happen again...it won't...ever! Especially not for a defensive player. But anyway, I was just wanting to take a shot at them.

Once again, I meant to say that trading any of them is a bad idea. And to speak of it is asinine.

yeah you had me scratching my head jdlea. Glad it's all been cleared up

As I said - Moss needs strong leadership to take him on. I feel we have that in our coaching staff. If he starts being an ass - he gets fined and sits a game. He'll learn. He's a bit of a leader himself, you see him on the sidelines rallying the guys? I have yet to see that from an offensive player on the skins for years. Maybe someone who's not a big name does it, maybe I just haven't noticed.

He brings an unbelievable amount of talent, he's a local kid (at least went to college in WV), and would demand attention from other teams. Why are people so down on Moss? Because he left the field early? As far as I'm concerned it may have been the right decesion. These guys plays with their emotions, and often are fueled by their emotions during the game. Randy Moss left the sidelines so he wouldn't do/say anything stupid that he'd regret. He wanted to just go in and mitigate that. I feel he finally did the right thing and DIDNT blow up all over a coach/player on TV and he got demonized.

Or the whole thing about mooning? Please. That wasn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I thought it was a little funny myself. The reporters wanted to talk about it, he said why don't you look where the W is. After constant pestering he said my personal favorite, "We kicked their ass" and walked away. When asked about the fine, of course it doesn't bother him, and I for one would like to see him "shake his dick" in a Redskins uniform as he grabs his 2nd TD pass against Dallas.

Does he have the ability to get out of control? Yes. Do we have coaching and veteran leadership that can calm him down and mold him into a team receiver? I think he's matured a lot since he got into the league and is constantly learning.

I'm not saying we trade our stars for him, or break the bank for him. However if we can get him for a draft pick and a mediocre player (Wynn, Bowen/Lott/Clark), Brunell.....whoops, slipped into a dream, Gardner, McCants, etc then sure. I'd give up two first rounders and one of the above for Randy.

[QUOTE=Daseal]As I said - Moss needs strong leadership to take him on. I feel we have that in our coaching staff. If he starts being an ass - he gets fined and sits a game. He'll learn. He's a bit of a leader himself, you see him on the sidelines rallying the guys? I have yet to see that from an offensive player on the skins for years. Maybe someone who's not a big name does it, maybe I just haven't noticed.

He brings an unbelievable amount of talent, he's a local kid (at least went to college in WV), and would demand attention from other teams. Why are people so down on Moss? Because he left the field early? As far as I'm concerned it may have been the right decesion. These guys plays with their emotions, and often are fueled by their emotions during the game. Randy Moss left the sidelines so he wouldn't do/say anything stupid that he'd regret. He wanted to just go in and mitigate that. I feel he finally did the right thing and DIDNT blow up all over a coach/player on TV and he got demonized.

Or the whole thing about mooning? Please. That wasn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I thought it was a little funny myself. The reporters wanted to talk about it, he said why don't you look where the W is. After constant pestering he said my personal favorite, "We kicked their ass" and walked away. When asked about the fine, of course it doesn't bother him, and I for one would like to see him "shake his dick" in a Redskins uniform as he grabs his 2nd TD pass against Dallas.

Does he have the ability to get out of control? Yes. Do we have coaching and veteran leadership that can calm him down and mold him into a team receiver? I think he's matured a lot since he got into the league and is constantly learning.

I'm not saying we trade our stars for him, or break the bank for him. However if we can get him for a draft pick and a mediocre player (Wynn, Bowen/Lott/Clark), Brunell.....whoops, slipped into a dream, Gardner, McCants, etc then sure. I'd give up two first rounders and one of the above for Randy.[/QUOTE]
I agree with Daseal, I mean think about it, Gibbs has handled the likes of Riggins, Mannly(sp), Marshall and so on. So I say, what is Moss to him? Just another challange that he may like to take head on. Who knows maybe our coaching staff is what Moss needs to straighten him out!!!!

jdlea,
You don't have to apologize. But you are wrong.

[QUOTE=Dana87]jdlea,
You don't have to apologize. But you are wrong.[/QUOTE]

Wrong about what?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Tempting as it may be I wouldn't make the move for Moss if I were Snyder.

He's too much of a distraction on and off the field. Great talent, arguably the most talented WR to have played the game, but is he worth the headaches?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we're better off with the no-namers. Especially on defense.

I don't see Gibbs bringing in a guy like Moss considering the type of person he is. I like Moss but I don;t want him on our team and I can really see the Ravens trying to make a run at him. If they had a big time WR they would be right in the mix of things in the AFC. They could sign and trade Thomas and give the Vikings a first round pick plus maybe even get rid of McCallister since he had to be franchised to stick around last season. Then maybe they go after a solid CB in free agency like Rolle, Woodson, Bucannon, Woolfork, draft,ect. Just a theory but I would not be suprised if they did.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]I don't see Gibbs bringing in a guy like Moss considering the type of person he is. I like Moss but I don;t want him on our team and I can really see the Ravens trying to make a run at him. If they had a big time WR they would be right in the mix of things in the AFC. They could sign and trade Thomas and give the Vikings a first round pick plus maybe even get rid of McCallister since he had to be franchised to stick around last season. Then maybe they go after a solid CB in free agency like Rolle, Woodson, Bucannon, Woolfork, draft,ect. Just a theory but I would not be suprised if they did.[/QUOTE]

That's not a bad call. But I can see Moss getting upset with Kyle Boller really fast

Collecting talent doesnt make for a successful team.

Gibbs calls the shots now, not Snyder. Gibbs will not go for Moss. Moss is far too much of a self-centered person. No one Gibbs has been around compares to Moss in this way - because Gibbs doesn't let people like that on his teams. Dexter Manley and John Riggins were pussycats in comparison.

Team oriented spirit is what makes for team success. The approach of going after stars doesn't work.

We dont have the money to pay his 7.5 cap hit next year. Plain and Simple, Randy Moss will not be a Washington Redskin next year.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]That's not a bad call. But I can see Moss getting upset with Kyle Boller really fast[/QUOTE]

Definitely...

I can see Randy bitch-slapping the sheyot out of Boller.

[QUOTE=Shane]Collecting talent doesnt make for a successful team.

Gibbs calls the shots now, not Snyder. Gibbs will not go for Moss. Moss is far too much of a self-centered person. No one Gibbs has been around compares to Moss in this way - because Gibbs doesn't let people like that on his teams. Dexter Manley and John Riggins were pussycats in comparison.

Team oriented spirit is what makes for team success. The approach of going after stars doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

You mean to say that Dexter Manley and John Riggins are pussycats compared to the likes of Randy Moss? Appaerntly you havent heard the stories about those two. If anything it is deffinetly the other way around, Moss is a kitten compared to the likes of those two!!!!

Wow. I kept expecting to see a Sports Curmudgeon response to this thread, but apparently, no dice. For my part, anyone who thinks that the price for Mr. Moss will be less than a king's ransom is not well connected with reality. Quick, who's the best receiver in the game? What's the first name that jumped into your heads? About a third of you said TO, another third said Moss, with the remaining third a mixed bag. Love him or hate him, Randy Moss changes any game he plays in. You HAVE to gameplan around him and make stopping #84 the cornerstone of your defensive plans that week. That's unquestionable. We will not get Moss in free agency because of several factors:

1. It's a bad idea from a character standpoint. Coach Gibbs likes character, and highly motivated individuals. Randy Moss doesn't present either of those qualities in any recognizable quantity. As long as Gibbs has personnel control/majority say, Moss doesn't come to DC unless it's for a road game. Period.

2. What the hell are we going to give up for him? The face of our defense, even if he is a little overrated in LaVar? The one guy who has been behind the franchise the whole time he's been here in some horrible conditions? Nah. What about the stud RB we just gave up our perennial pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for? Hmmm, probably not. Better yet, Gardner, who's hands are so obviously made out of stone that they could have been crafted by Michelangelo? Not feeling that one either. Oh, I know, DRAFT PICKS. Yes, let's mortgage our future for a loose cannon that can be as deadly to his own team as to the opposition. Please.

3. Portis signed such a large contract with us that, for a time, he was the highest paid back. LaVar isn't far from the highest paid LB. Moss will be the highest paid WR for most of the rest of his career. How many big money players can we realistically carry? Snyder has done an admirable job of financial juggling but I'm quite sure that even his talents have limits.

4. Turnover is killing this franchise. Over and over and over again, we see what happens from constant change. NO PLAYOFFS. While Moss himself would only be one added player, figure with that the players that would need to be traded and the shift in locker room leadership that would take place. He would disrupt a team that has only now started to get some stability. Why would you want that?

This team has a HOF head coach. We've got a serviceable qb, a great young rb, a gutsy WR who needs to heal, a nice halfback in Cooley and an improving o-line. Our Defense was ranked #3 while missing some key starters last year. Why do we seem to be thinking that personnel is the area needing improvement? We have the bases covered. This team is NOT that far away. Especially not in our conference. Moss is the type of gamble that a team needs to take when it does not have any other chance of success or when it is so stable that a little distraction will not be deadly. We are neither of those scenarios. What we have going needs time to grow and knee jerk reactions will kill it.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]You mean to say that Dexter Manley and John Riggins are pussycats compared to the likes of Randy Moss? Appaerntly you havent heard the stories about those two. If anything it is deffinetly the other way around, Moss is a kitten compared to the likes of those two!!!![/QUOTE]


Well, I mean that you dont see Riggins faking pulling down his pants after scoring or Dexter Manley walking off the field early, etc.

Moss behaves without a lot of dignity in cases like that, but as I think about it, the way he is appeased probably leads him to get his ego inflated all the more and makes him more likely to do stuff like that. Vikings know that there are "Moss rules" and the rules for everyone else - and that is a joke. But no doubt the way Moss acts is in significant part due to the b.s. way they appease him.

I don't believe Moss will end up a Redskin. Too much cash and Gibbs believe in a team. By that I mean team building on what he's got and adding to without breaking the 'brunell' bank. I must say here that I don't believe Randy Moss is incapable of being on a team. He is a great player with incredible ability and someone that's been leaned on by his team for most of his career.
I'm truly saddened by the unconcious or otherwise effect the MEDIA has on you people concerning Randy Moss. Was his fake moon really dispicable? There was no flag? I think of dispicable as a flagrant head to head, forearm to head, spearing a downed player, kicking someone, etc. Think about it if the media was as it is now back when Manley and Riggins were playing the whole Gibbs' character integrity thing would probably not exist today. You don't think we wouldn't have to hear dipshits on espn or sports radio rant over and over about Riggins being loaded talking shit to Sandra Day O'Conner? Or Dexter's inability to read and love for cocaine? Come on people! The media has influenced this bs. Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking!

[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking![/QUOTE]

Randy Moss is extremely immature and pampered. The Vikings can't go anywhere as a team because to keep Moss in line they have set up a whole set of special rules for him and another set of rules for everyone else. With that sort of division, there is no way in the world the Vikings could be expected to play far into the postseason in this league. When you deal with Moss types, those are the kind of things that can happen. Or in Tampa, you have an intolerant approach toward players perceived as divisive and you get the same disruptive results.

We want a winning team that we can respect, a team based on cooperation and unity. We are building that here, like they have in New England apparently - and that precludes bringing in people just due to their talent, in my view.

If you feel like Philly did with Owens that a player might be overrated as a troublemaker and can be brought under control, maybe you roll the dice and hope that you get rewarded for the risk. With Moss, he seems so outrageously self-centered that I don't think it is worth it. He would be such a drain and a distraction - far worse than whatever touchdowns he catches most likely.

I don't disagree with ya Shane that a cancer can cause problems. But Moss isn't the reason the Vikings didn't continue in the playoffs. And honestly I'd be content with Moss on my team. Moss probably would too. Did the Redskins offense score 17 TD's this year? I'll add again that I don't think Moss as a Redskin next season is probable.

I also don't think it's probable, but for arguments sake whether I want him or not, I do.

[quote]The approach of going after stars doesn't work.[/quote]
What do you call Clinton Portis? He's a self-loving young star. We got him, he has the typical Miami attitude. Same thing with Sean Taylor. He's yet to become a star, but he'll get there.

can't argue w/ stats unless you're talking about HOF status!