2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)
 

Since the last thread became too cumbersome for some. Here's a fresh one to discuss the upcoming QB class.

At this point having one for every prospect doesn't make sense because the inevitable overlap across all would not make for a great reader experience

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Well it looks like Barkley will stay, and will be followed by Jones in the coming months.

We chose the wrong year to start Beck and Grossman.

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[quote=IrMitchell;862867]Well it looks like Barkley will stay, and will be followed by Jones in the coming months.

We chose the wrong year to start Beck and Grossman.[/quote] Why do you think Barkley is going to stay?

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[quote=IrMitchell;862867]Well it looks like Barkley will stay, and will be followed by Jones in the coming months.

We chose the wrong year to start Beck and Grossman.[/quote]

Where did you see that? I hope not. I heard the rumor that Luck might stay for a 5th year which he is eligible for.

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[quote=Landry44;862872]Why do you think Barkley is going to stay?[/quote]
He hasn't been able to do anything as a Trojan.. 1 bowl game as a freshman and since he's been held back by Reggie Bush. He has no legacy as a Trojan and he's got the best left tackle in the nation who feels the same way.

They said they'd make their decision together and that he (Barkley) doesn't plan on crying during his "final" game like Leinart because they're in completely different situations.

[quote]"I know where I'm at draft-wise, but I also know the other side of it — Matt and I coming back and doing something really special for this university," he said. "That's really crossed my mind as something I would want to do.[/quote]
[url=http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/22/sports/la-sp-1123-matt-barkley-kalil-20111123]USC's Matt Barkley and Matt Kalil are in this together - Los Angeles Times[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;862851]Since the last thread became too cumbersome for some. Here's a fresh one to discuss the upcoming QB class.

At this point having one for every prospect doesn't make sense because the inevitable overlap across all would not make for a great reader experience[/quote]

Good idea for this thread. I know we have a thread devoted to Andrew Luck. And that's fine because Luck is a once in a generation prospect according to pretty much all the experts, he's the surefire #1 pick, and some say has the highest grade of any college player since Elway. So yeah, we can have a thread devoted to a prospect of that caliber.

What's not cool is for everyone with a man-crush on every other QB who may or may not be going pro to start a thread devoted to them.

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Landry was prob going to come back anyway but that's horrible if Barkley stays.. If so then all we can do is hope for RG3 bcuz Luck is going 1 to Indy IMO

Tannehill on ESPN and WatchESPN tonight

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[quote=GMScud;862881]Good idea for this thread. I know we have a thread devoted to Andrew Luck. And that's fine because Luck is a once in a generation prospect according to pretty much all the experts, he's the surefire #1 pick, and some say has the highest grade of any college player since Elway. So yeah, we can have a thread devoted to a prospect of that caliber.

What's not cool is for everyone with a man-crush on every other QB who may or may not be going pro to start a thread devoted to them.[/quote]


I completely agree with cpayne5 in that things can and do get completely lost in long threads. I check the warpath a lot, maybe compulsively, and i am flat out unable to keep up with some of these extremely long threads and the many topics that come up in them.

I get not starting a thread for everything or everyone under the sun, but i personally like when thewarpath has threads that are less broad. I think RG3 is a draft prospect like few before and I personally would have preferred reading a thread dedicated to him then trying to thumb through tons of posts going all sorts of directions and trying to stumble on debate related to one issue.

What sucks about closing one thread and starting a new one of the same name is that there were some pretty good thoughts and ideas that were exchanged in the other thread and now those are all pretty much all lost. I liked Landry44's post but now its pretty much dead.

This the best Redskins forum out there by far but if there was one thing that could make it even better (for guys like me) it would be less marathon threads. Just my 2 cents.

"But hey, I’m not going to complain about it, I’m just making everybody aware of it, and hopefully somebody will take notice"......

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[QUOTE]This guy has been nothing short of spectacular this year. His combination of athleticism, arm strength, and accuracy makes him a top prospect in my eyes. Luck is getting all the hype and praise while guys like RG3, Barkley, and Foles are getting overlooked. This is how I think RG3 messures up.

5= elite
4= above average
3= average
2= below average
1= poor

Arm Strength: I think RG3 has a well above average arm strength, but not elite arm strength. He has more than enough arm strength to make every single NFL throw.

Grade 4

Accuracy: One of the things that makes RG3 so intriguing is his unbelievable accuracy definitely on the deep ball. This guy has excellent ball placement in the pocket and on the run.

Grade 5

Mechanics: The perfect over-the-top throwing motion RG3 displays is great. He has a quick release to go along with his perfect throwing motion. My only knock on his mechanic is that he sometimes throw the ball off his back foot when doesn't have too. Also his footwork not so good at times. With a little work and good coach this part of his game can be elite.

Grade 3

Pocket Presences: RG3 has a pretty good grasp of sensing pressure. He takes some sacks. However, he usually gets rid of the before taking the sack.

Grade 4

Athleticism: RG3 semifinalist at the Olympic Trials in the 400 hurdles following high school. He has shown the ability to elude would be sacks and turn them into big gains. He's very dangerous in the open field. There are few players that has his speed and elusiveness at qb.

Grade 5

Intangiblies: RG3 is a real character guy. He's an excellent student. He's proven to be a true leader on the field and in the locker room. He's a great competitor.

Grade 5

Summary: Robert Griffin is the most exciting prospects that I have seen in many years. It's rare to find a qb with his athleticism that has great passing ability as well. At the next level I believe he will give many defense fits with his arm and his legs. I think he's the best fit for what we do offensively.

Overall= 5[/QUOTE]

Landry44 i agree with you. And even though i think Luck is the number 1, if we had the number one i would have a very hard time passing this guy up for anyone, even Luck.

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[quote=mlmpetert;862890]I completely agree with cpayne5 in that things can and do get completely lost in long threads. I check the warpath a lot, maybe compulsively, and i am flat out unable to keep up with some of these extremely long threads and the many topics that come up in them.

I get not starting a thread for everything or everyone under the sun, but i personally like when thewarpath has threads that are less broad. I think RG3 is a draft prospect like dew before and I personally would have preferred reading a thread dedicated to him then trying to thumb through tons of posts going all sorts of directions and trying to stumble on debate related to one issue.

What sucks about closing one thread and starting a new one of the same name is that there were some pretty good thoughts and ideas that were exchanged in the other thread and now those are all pretty much all lost. I liked Landry44's post but now its pretty much dead.

This the best Redskins forum out there by far but if there was one thing that it could make it even better (for guys like me) it would be less marathon threads. Just my 2 cents.

"But hey, I’m not going to complain about it, I’m just making everybody aware of it, and hopefully somebody will take notice"......[/quote]

Fair points. I hear what you're saying. For us mods, we obviously want good, solid topics of discussion that are thread-worthy, and try our best to avoid stuff that just leads to clutter. Like with this whole QB thing- Someone likes RGIII, up pops a thread. Then Barkley follows, then Landry Jones, Kellen Moore, Tannehill... next thing you know the top half of the main page is a half dozen threads just about QB's.

It was my decision to close the RGIII thread. I stand by it.

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[quote=mlmpetert;862891]Landry44 i agree with you. And even though i think Luck is the number 1, if we had the number one i would have a very hard time passing this guy up for anyone, even Luck.[/quote]

Doesnt RGIII have one of the best Olines in college football.

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[quote=WaldSkins;862898]Doesnt RGIII have one of the best Olines in college football.[/quote]

Not sure about that, but I remember in the OU game he was getting rocked early and HARD. By the second half his o line was giving him all day.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;862885]Landry was prob going to come back anyway but that's horrible if Barkley stays.. If so then all we can do is hope for RG3 bcuz Luck is going 1 to Indy IMO[/quote]There's a good chance that we'll be picking fifth at 5-11 with just Indianapolis, Carolina, St. Louis, and Minnesota picking ahead of us. After Luck goes first, two of those teams won't even entertain the thought of picking a QB, and the other, St. Louis, is still very tied to Bradford no matter what they decide to do. The Redskins are well positioned to be able to draft the best of the rest.

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[quote=IrMitchell;862899]Not sure about that, but I remember in the OU game he was getting rocked early and HARD. By the second half his o line was giving him all day.[/quote]

I gotta admit that im not really familiar with RGIII. I thought i heard somewhere that he wouldnt look all that impressive behind a lesser oline.

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My 2012 QB prospect-----Free Agent Brian Brohm

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Brohm would be like signing John Beck all over again, with one key difference: he's young enough where there is actual upside to the move if he plays well.

But the Redskins would be dumb in that direction. Would have been nice to have him in this season though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862901]There's a good chance that we'll be picking fifth at 5-11 with just Indianapolis, Carolina, St. Louis, and Minnesota picking ahead of us. After Luck goes first, two of those teams won't even entertain the thought of picking a QB, and the other, St. Louis, is still very tied to Bradford no matter what they decide to do. The Redskins are well positioned to be able to draft the best of the rest.[/quote]

Out of curosity, who would you like the redskins to select in the draft at QB?

Also could you answer the question in a draft that doesnt include Barkley or Jones.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862906]Brohm would be like signing John Beck all over again, with one key difference: he's young enough where there is actual upside to the move if he plays well.

But the Redskins would be dumb in that direction. Would have been nice to have him in this season though.[/quote]

I wonder how Matt Flynn will pan out in free agency...

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[quote=WaldSkins;862908]Out of curosity, who would you like the redskins to select in the draft at QB?

Also could you answer the question in a draft that doesnt include Barkley or Jones.[/quote]It's nearly impossible to answer without knowing who is in the draft. If only the graduating seniors came out, I would pass on a QB in the top five and take one at the top of the second.

Anecdotally, the four best I have graded this year (non-Luck division): Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Dominique Davis, Kellen Moore.

If though Nick Foles or Robert Griffin are the best available QB when we pick in the first round, I think we need to take them. Same with Tannehill, though I don't have him up quite as high as either Foles or Griffin.

Really, this is the rare year where you almost cannot go wrong with anyone. I'm skeptical of Tannehill compared to other seniors such as Foles, Moore, Cousins, Davis, and even Jacory Harris. But even in his case, I'm not down on him. He would compare favorably to Blaine Gabbert, my no. 1 QB from 2011. And Tannehill is my 8th rated QB right now, given all possibilities.

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I don't think this years QBs are as great as some think.. Luck Barkley Nd RG3 but the rest are guys I wouldn't take in the 1st

Redskins scouted Dominique Davis a couple of times this year so far

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[quote=GMScud;862909]I wonder how Matt Flynn will pan out in free agency...[/quote]The free agency class is insane as well. Campbell, Henne, Flynn, Hanie, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, Vince Young. And then even the guys who profile as backups would have made good options this year: Dan Orlovsky, Rex Grossman, Brady Quinn, Drew Stanton.

Added to the draft class, I think there's enough supply for every team to be two-deep in terms of promising players at QB. In other words, if we don't open up training camp with two guys who are better options in Week 1 than the two guys we have now, we didn't do a good job.

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I think that both Barkley and Landry would be smart to enter the draft. I truly don't understand how any player who would probably be picked in the Top 10 in the draft would stay in school. I know that some players can get insurance against injury but I think that if I were that player's parent I would advise him to come out and get the money while he can. It's just too risky to stay in school when there is so much money at stake.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862910]It's nearly impossible to answer without knowing who is in the draft. If only the graduating seniors came out, I would pass on a QB in the top five and take one at the top of the second.[/quote]Actually, let me correct this. I would take Nick Foles at fifth or sixth overall.

Other than Foles, I would not take any of the seniors that high. But the underclassmen, there's four of them I would take in the top ten.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;862920]I think that both Barkley and Landry would be smart to enter the draft. I truly don't understand how any player who would probably be picked in the Top 10 in the draft would stay in school. I know that some players can get insurance against injury but I think that if I were that player's parent I would advise him to come out and get the money while he can. It's just too risky to stay in school when there is so much money at stake.[/quote]Is there an example of someone who stayed in school and lost a ton of money? I mean, even in the cases of Matt Leinart and Jake Locker, the teams who supposedly would have taken them "first overall" didn't bite on them just a year later.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862921]Actually, let me correct this. I would take Nick Foles at fifth or sixth overall.

Other than Foles, I would not take any of the seniors that high. But the underclassmen, there's four of them I would take in the top ten.[/quote]

I bet Foles goes higher than the 5th or 6th round, more like the 2nd. The guy can play, he had the bad luck of playing for a crappy team.

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Try again?

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[quote=GTripp0012;862924]Try again?[/quote]

Talk to me in April.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;862925]Talk to me in April.[/quote]I'm thinking it won't take that long ;) I hope at least.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862922]Is there an example of someone who stayed in school and lost a ton of money? I mean, even in the cases of Matt Leinart and Jake Locker, the teams who supposedly would have taken them "first overall" didn't bite on them just a year later.[/quote]

Don't forget Sam Bradford.

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[quote=GTripp0012;862922]Is there an example of someone who stayed in school and lost a ton of money? I mean, even in the cases of Matt Leinart and Jake Locker, the teams who supposedly would have taken them "first overall" didn't bite on them just a year later.[/quote]

Any player could suffer a catastrophic injury that would prevent him from ever playing football again.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;862929]Any player could suffer a catastrophic injury that would prevent him from ever playing football again.[/quote]Well, sure, but now you're dealing in hypotheticals that aren't of common concern. But, you know, that's one of the things that factored into Jimmy Clausen's decision.

The decision to stay in school is typically made as a real-world decision with concrete reasoning beyond the fear of the highly improbable. There's pros and cons to the decision, which we often simplify to guaranteed $ = good. But the dollars are pretty much as guaranteed a year from now as they are right now.

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[quote=GMScud;862927]Don't forget Sam Bradford.[/quote]Which is the most obvious example that it's not a bad decision. Bradford had the worst possible season he could have had when he came back to Oklahoma. But he went first overall anyway.

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I'd love Matt Flynn and a Rookie QB as well

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[quote=skinsfaninok;862943]I'd love Matt Flynn and a Rookie QB as well[/quote]

Depending on the next few weeks I'm going to figure out weather or not I want Matt Leinart.

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Not buying the Nick Foles love... I find him dreadful.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;862944]Depending on the next few weeks I'm going to figure out weather or not I want Matt Leinart.[/quote]


I can answer that for you..........

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YEah Foles and now Tannehill have gone off my QB wishlist. Tannehill started the season somewhat promising, but tonight, geesh, he is having a horrendous game. I do hope we get RG III though. After that Kansas St game I wondered about him, but that OSU game he was white hot. I still think Landry would be a nice pickup.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;862951]YEah Foles and now Tannehill have gone off my QB wishlist. Tannehill started the season somewhat promising, but tonight, geesh, he is having a horrendous game. I do hope we get RG III though. After that Kansas St game I wondered about him, but that OSU game he was white hot. I still think Landry would be a nice pickup.[/quote]


Feel like putting Tannehill back on?