kipers first mock draft
 

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says that kiper picks us taking braylon edwards at 9, and has mike williams going to the texans at 14 i believe. he says that edwards concentration improved and he cut back on his dropped balls. what u guys think.

I'd prefer Williams but it might be worth it to take the chance on Edwards.

The drops scare. I would rather trade down and get a WR and another pick.

Can you post the complete Kiper mock draft?

I'd rather take M.Williams or trade down for more picks.

I'm not sold on either M.Williams or B.Edwards quite yet.

I do not want them to pick a WR with their 1st pick. Trade down and pick a DE, center, big blocking TE, etc.....maybe even a DB in round 2 or 3 to bring up behind Harris (if Smoot leaves).
I think the WR situation will be taken care of in free agency. Honestly, I think we would be fine with the WR's we have, but an upgrade would be nice....and it appears that Gardner is as good as gone, pending a decent trade offer that is.

I'm saying if we WERE to get a WR I would pick Williams. I would prefer to get a nice FA pickup in the offseason and use the pick on a DE.

i dont know how to post insider. i can tell u that he has the niners taking alex smith, and dolphins taking benson. if someone tells me how to copy it ill post it

Mel's Draft
 

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson improved his stock immensely this year. He ties up offensive linemen and is able to gain penetration against the run as well as collapse the pocket in passing situations.

9. Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

10. Detroit Lions: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give quarterback Joey Harrington another weapon to complement his wide receivers. He'll also be a help to running back Kevin Jones in the rushing attack.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown's long arms, good feet and balance allow him to engage defenders easily and move them off the ball or away from the quarterback.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rolle is a good start. He has the cover skills to shut down wide receivers and also gives up his body against the run.

16. New Orleans Saints: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to move into the front seven and make an impact at the pro level.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
A force along the line of scrimmage, James can play the run, rush the passer and command double-team blocks. There are some durability questions, though, after he missed parts of the last two seasons with injury.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, Cody would be a great fit for a Vikings team that has struggled at times along the defensive front.

19. St. Louis Rams: David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
The fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a great help to a team that lacked a consistent vertical threat.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Barron is equally adept in the passing and running games and has light feet for a player his size.

22. Baltimore Ravens: Roddy White, WR, UAB
White's 4.42 speed in the 40 gives him a size/speed combination in the elite category. He is a big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch in 2004.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Darryl Blackstock (jr.), OLB, Virginia
Blackstock is a solid all-around talent who shows flashes of greatness and has tremendous natural physical skills.

24. Green Bay Packers: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
A tremendously productive player who adapted quickly to the collegiate game, Crowder has the ideal physical skills for a man in the middle.

25. Denver Broncos: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
Roth is similar to David Pollack: undersized with a great motor and intensity. Roth was productive during his senior year and has good physical ability.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A consistent, durable corner who can cover and support the run, Rogers has played against some of the best talent in the nation during his career.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
A consistent cover man with good size, Browner would make a nice complement to Atlanta's top pick last year, CB DeAngelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
Parrish has speed and would be a good option to round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
Did not intercept many passes, but that's because teams respected his ability and avoided his side of the field. McFadden has the size to match up with big receivers.

30. New England Patriots: Justin Miller (jr.), CB, Clemson
A good fit for a team thin in the secondary this season.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame
Good size and strength. Would be an asset for a team that thrives on pressuring the quarterback.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
An athletic pass receiver with great body control, Smith can stretch the deep middle and is a good hook-zone threat.

Big C, you need something like Netscape or Mozilla to copy and paste Insider. Internet Explorer won't let you do it. Someone here taught me that (Cpayne5, SkinsnCanes? I forget)

Kind of wild that an Alex Smith could be the first and the last pick of the first round

yeah...that takes too much time for me lol, sorry guys. i dont have either, so meh

does anyone know when underclassmen have until to change their minds and remove their names from the draft?

[QUOTE=celts32]The drops scare. I would rather trade down and get a WR and another pick. [/QUOTE]im startin to beleive this is our best option

i would rather see the skins get the wr from usc that had to sit out last year,mike williams.

Mike Williams would lose to Ramsey in a 40 yard dash. That's my biggest beef with him.

williams ran a 4.56 for scouts last year... while no means a burner, it's fast enough for a 6-5 stud with a 37" vertical. if he falls to us at 9, draft him and don't look back.

yea I used to always use opera to paste insider articles.

Id much rather have mike williams, in a heart beat. Edwards is rod gardner in my mind, same guy, great potential, protype receiver. Mike williams makes plays though, and hes 6'5", a plaxico burress type guy. Hopefully hes been working on his speed, I think he can make big plays either way. Coles can then be our deep threat again

Edwards over Williams
 

I'd rather have Edwards over Williams if the team is looking to draft a WR. The Insider Scouts.com reported that Williams has attitude problems and weight gain issues like Dave Boston (hopefully not the piercing problems though). Not to mention the whole year off thing. The Skins need WR help now, go with Edwards.

Definitely, I'm ready to see Coles by the deep threat he used to be. I'm wondering whether or not he SHOULD get surgery, because I know they are recommending it.

Part of me too is wondering if WR is as much a pressing need as simply retooling the offense a bit to accomodate the talent we DO have.

I like Williams size. 6'5" and 230 matches up well in our division vs the DBs who would be covering him. We wouldn't need to trade down though, get a DE in FA and a TE in round 3 or 4 as there are alot of decent prospects that should drop to the 3rd round that would fit our system well. If we do trade down, I get a WR and a Guard in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The other school of thought (for me) is trade up to get Dan Cody and go after a WR in FA. I wouldn't do that though as I would move Arrington to DE and consentrate on getting a vertical threat WR and beefing up the offensive line with a guard and center.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Part of me too is wondering if WR is as much a pressing need as simply retooling the offense a bit to accomodate the talent we DO have.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking that exact same thing. Not that I'd be mad at a new WR, but I dont know if we need hte 1st round, big name reciver. Maybe like a 2nd round, guy or somthing. With the exception of center, I think we can win with what we arleady have on offense.

Yeah, I'm fairly indifferent to what we do with our first round pick, even though I'd prefer a DE. I'm sure some very good centers/WR will be available in the later rounds.

We have speed with Coles. I would much rather have Williams then Edwards. Williams is a freak athlete and 4.56 isn't that slow, plus remember that was Bolden's knock and look what he is doing. I still want us to get a pash rushing DE so if we could trade down and get Williams and maybe a DE like Chris Canty in the second or third round I would be happy. I still would like to see us take Erasmus James though. Also a thought, if Gardner is traded we will have Coles, Thrash, and Jacobs who are all pretty fast and maybe McCants if we keep him around we could always go after a big possession WR like Fred Gibson in the 3rd round or maybe second depending on what we would get or Gardner.

They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.

Listen guys...rookie WRs are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Most(read:98%) have no first year impact and the 2% that do are on absolutely deprived teams like the Lions with Williams or the Cards with Bouldin last year. If we draft a WR he will not be the first option and probably wont have much of an impact. This is a team built for now and I can't see the Skins drafting a WR who most likely wouldn't contribute immediately when they can get a WR in Free Agency or by trade that could help now. I really think drafting a WR is a bad call for us. I'd much prefer to trade down and get a quality DL and a pick which we could use on a center. At 9 we're not going to get an impact player ala Taylor this year but we could get a DE with some pass rushing skills and a center bigger than Ramsey.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.[/QUOTE]
No reserve...buy it now price: 2nd rounder.

We need playmakers on offense but I tend to agree with the opinion that a rookie WR is unlikely to make an immediate impact. We'd be better off going the free agent route for a receiver. If Burress hits the market I think the 'Skins will give him serious consideration.

The #9 pick in the draft is a good spot to look to trade down in to the late teens and pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

One thing on Mike WIlliams speed. The scouts dropped Anquan Boldin to the 2nd round last year over his 40 time and he can play. I think WIlliams will be able to get deep and his size will help him out muscle smaller DB's for the jump balls.

Maybe they can trade down 5 or 6 spots and still get him and an extra pick.

What scares me about Burress is that he has been sort of a dissapointment until this year which is coincidentaly a contract year. Or his improved play could be becasue of Big Ben, but guys who improve in a contract year scare me. And Muhamed is to old, so I am not sure that free agency will help the Skins WR position.

Matt is also right that rookie WR's usually struggle, so it's not clear exactly what the right path is.

[QUOTE=celts32]What scares me about Burress is that he has been sort of a dissapointment until this year which is coincidentaly a contract year. Or his improved play could be becasue of Big Ben, but guys who improve in a contract year scare me. And Muhamed is to old, so I am not sure that free agency will help the Skins WR position.

Matt is also right that rookie WR's usually struggle, so it's not clear exactly what the right path is.[/QUOTE]

The Contract year thing is what scares me about Rod. I really think if we cant get somthing in return, we shouldnt cut him. If we do go on w/o him, I'd like to see the FA route as well. If Buress isnt asking outlandish money, we have to consdier him. However, theres gotta be a diamond in the rough somewhere out there. M.Muhammad is proboly going to want too much, but then again, proboly same amound as Bruess. Hoshmanzada had that beef w/ Taylor, so I doubt we bring him in. Who are the other FA's that could really make an impact?

We just have to wait and see w/ contract negotiations and stuff, its hard to speculate when we dont know how much $ we can spend.

The more we talk about it, the more I'm reinforcing my most recent notion that pretty much the skill positions should go unchanged. MAYBE a bargain signing later in the year and have that person compete for 1st string.

I mean if we would have scored 23 more points, someone said we would have been 14-2 and at least a few of those points should have been scored by Brunell. I say maybe pick up a DE in the draft and a great center in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Then maybe see what FA are available for a bargain and let them sort it out in camp.

We can't assume the same dominant performance by the defense next year. They have no where to go but down. Hopefully, they remain a top 10 defense. Either way the Redskins need big offensive improvement next season and bringing back the skill positions unchanged would be risky. Not big changes, but at least 1 new WR.

True we can't assume the D will be dominant again, but considering the fact we had the #3 defense with a bunch of key guys out like Arrington, Daniels, Bowen, etc., you have to believe with the D at full strength they should be able to pull off a similar performance.

I dont assume we are going to have a dominant defense again, but becuase of our offense not our defense. I think part of why we had a great d is the same reason we had a great d under marvin lewis. Ranking are based solely on yards giving up, with all the turnovers we had early, and our lack of being able to move the ball, the other teams never had to go very far.

We were great at stopping the run, and i do think Williams is a great coach, but if you look at games that our offense acutally scored, our defense gave up a ton of yards, becuase the other teams were playing from behind. Look at the vikings game, culpepper had 300 yards passing. Teams dont need a lot of yards when they are beating us.

I obvioulsy hope our offense pulls it otgether, but i think we need our keys guys to come back, add an end, mabye another dt, and corner, to maintain what we did this year.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.[/QUOTE]

eBay, are you kidding me! That is the funniest thing I have seen in a while.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Listen guys...rookie WRs are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Most(read:98%) have no first year impact and the 2% that do are on absolutely deprived teams like the Lions with Williams or the Cards with Bouldin last year. If we draft a WR he will not be the first option and probably wont have much of an impact. This is a team built for now and I can't see the Skins drafting a WR who most likely wouldn't contribute immediately when they can get a WR in Free Agency or by trade that could help now. I really think drafting a WR is a bad call for us. I'd much prefer to trade down and get a quality DL and a pick which we could use on a center. At 9 we're not going to get an impact player ala Taylor this year but we could get a DE with some pass rushing skills and a center bigger than Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

I AGREE. Thanks for summing it up perfectly.

drew54, I aim to please.

And if you want to hear something even MORE hilarious... sit down my children.

I know this is completely off-topic, but if anyone remembers wrestling and remembers the old DX, I'm sure you remember Road Dogg.

Maybe a couple of months after Road Dogg was laid off from the WWF he actually AUCTIONED an hour of his time on eBay and honestly the price was about 300 bucks at the end of the auction.

I can see it now with Road Dogg showing up at a kid's birthday party with a boombox OR having some fat gay guy buy his "time."

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]I dont assume we are going to have a dominant defense again, but becuase of our offense not our defense. I think part of why we had a great d is the same reason we had a great d under marvin lewis. Ranking are based solely on yards giving up, with all the turnovers we had early, and our lack of being able to move the ball, the other teams never had to go very far.

We were great at stopping the run, and i do think Williams is a great coach, but if you look at games that our offense acutally scored, our defense gave up a ton of yards, becuase the other teams were playing from behind. Look at the vikings game, culpepper had 300 yards passing. Teams dont need a lot of yards when they are beating us.

I obvioulsy hope our offense pulls it otgether, but i think we need our keys guys to come back, add an end, mabye another dt, and corner, to maintain what we did this year.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your basic point to an extent, but in defense of our D (no pun intended), they were also 5th in scoring defense, which I believe goes by how many points the team gives up, not just the defense. So if you account for the amount of points the offense gave up, especially early on, they would have been better in that category if the offense didn't blow....not to mention that we would have won a couple more close games.

pullleeeeze... no more michigan receivers...

williams might be another plexico or keyshawn. if we have to take a receiver, he is the pick
better to trade down and pick up an extra second and/or third rounder to use on a receiver while using the first rounder for a player like baas or elton brown

[QUOTE=shallyshal]pullleeeeze... no more michigan receivers...

williams might be another plexico or keyshawn. if we have to take a receiver, he is the pick
better to trade down and pick up an extra second and/or third rounder to use on a receiver while using the first rounder for a player like baas or elton brown[/QUOTE]

I havent seen Edward's yet but I tend to agree with you SS William's will be a valued pick one way or the other, he's bigger and stronger than both Keyshawn and Burress, and he has better hand's by far than either one of them, regardless of his speed he will just cause nightmare matchup's for any secondary we face, he will be a WR that you can basically throw the ball up for grab's and he will come down with it most of the time, just because you don't run a 4.3 doesn't mean you can't get open, he has a chance to be a dominant force on the NFL level can we say that about the other's?