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My god.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClauJi00.htm"]Jimmy Clausen[/URL], career net yards per passing attempt: 4.0

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradSa00.htm"]Sam Bradford[/URL], career net yards per passing attempt: 5.1

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoCo00.htm"]Colt McCoy[/URL], career net yards per passing attempt: 5.5

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TeboTi00.htm"]Tim Tebow[/URL], career net yards per passing attempt: 5.6

The NFL average for this particular statistic over the last two years is 6.1, held by Jay Cutler and David Garrard.

I would say that you can't turn the lights out on Tebow or McCoy just yet as passers. But what all these guys have in common is that none of them use the pocket particularly well, which means a lot of roll outs, which means that the field is being cut down, and that limits completion percentages and big play opportunities. If any of these guys can get comfortable in the pocket, they have a shot to be successful still.

But the 2010 NFL draft has produced one of the worst classes in memory, at least that has to be the perception of it to date.

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Next years class will be better.

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I'd take Clausen as a back up to whoever we draft.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;863770]Next years class will be better.[/quote]So youre saying theres a chance?

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Sam bradford will be a star just wait

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[quote=GTripp0012;863786]So youre saying theres a chance?[/quote]

I don't know how to respond to that. Usually people bring these things up and I say "next years class will be better" just so I sound smart and savy. Just like when a big name player gets released I always say "Vet Min."

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Am I not mistaken in thinking at a) Sam Bradford has been playing banged up with a shitty line, no WR and no RB for the better part of the season? b) Tebow 5-1 since he replace Rotton?

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I think 2011 has potential to be worse. Newton looks like he's the real deal, as does Dalton. Locker, in his limited cleanup duty a few weeks ago seems like he has some real talent and some real accuracy issues. Gabbert smells very bust-ish already. Ponder looks ok but not special.

Bradford still has the look of an excellent QB and while Tebow isn't playing traditional QB well he is winning games. At least McCoy is starting consistently so maybe he will improve with better talent around him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;863770]Next years class will be better.[/quote]

Greatest Warpath cliche ever.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;863918]Greatest Warpath cliche ever.[/quote]

Not just warpath. Many fans say the same thing, which is exactly why he was saying it. To mock them.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;863918]Greatest Warpath cliche ever.[/quote]

Eh, that still doesn't beat the vet min.

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Bradford was derailed by a stupid decision to change offenses on a 2nd year QB in the middle of a lockout. I still believe in him and would love to get him in DC...

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[quote=celts32;863947]Bradford was derailed by a stupid decision to change offenses on a 2nd year QB in the middle of a lockout. I still believe in him and would love to get him in DC...[/quote]

Given time and weapons, especially in Josh McDaniels offense I think Bradford can be a top 8 QB. For his sake, I hope if they make a move on Spags they leave McDaniels in place and get him some receivers to work with.

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[quote=Paintrain;863958]Given time and weapons, especially in Josh McDaniels offense I think Bradford can be a top 8 QB. For his sake, I hope if they make a move on Spags they leave McDaniels in place and get him some receivers to work with.[/quote]

I agree...he could be good in that offense. It just wasn't gonna happen in the 1st year with no off season.

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Sam has BY FAR the worst Offense to work with.. Other than SJAX Who else does he have?? Give him the 49ers or heck even Cards offense and he'd be in the pro bowl

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[quote=Ruhskins;863929]Eh, that still doesn't beat the vet min.[/quote]

It's close but it pulls ahead of vet min from the Senior Bowl through draft day. Rest of the year though belongs to vet min.

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To say Bradford is a bust is just plain dumb.

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[quote=mredskins;863978]To say Bradford is a bust is just plain dumb.[/quote]He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;863983]He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.[/quote]

Jamarcus Russell? So your comparing him to one of the top 2 or 3 QB busts of all time? That's flat out rediculous. Look at his rookie season. He played well last year...Russell never played well. Maybe he never pans out like me and some others think but he is already 1000 times better then Russell.

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Ever thought it has more to do with the team and surrounding talent they have? Notice the difference between San Fran and Tampa Bay.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/careerstats]Steve Young: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


OMG HE"S A BUST BECAUSE HE"S NOT AVERAGING 15.6 YARDS PER PASS AND HE'S NOT ELITE AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR!!

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This QB talk is crazy

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[quote=celts32;863991]Jamarcus Russell? So your comparing him to one of the top 2 or 3 QB busts of all time? That's flat out rediculous. Look at his rookie season. He played well last year...Russell never played well. Maybe he never pans out like me and some others think but he is already 1000 times better then Russell.[/quote]Wait, who can honestly say that it's definitely going to get better from here? Bradford played well last year? I suppose he did when you consider he was a rookie, but their second years are basically identical. And that would seem to negate the idea that he performed great under the circumstances.

I'm not saying young players don't improve, and I had Bradford projected to be really good coming out of Oklahoma, but if he keeps playing like this, he's going to bust. Bradford needs to get a lot better. And it's unclear at this point whether his organization is going to be able to provide him much help.

The Rams should definitely give him more weapons/another year. But we shouldn't avoid being cautiously pessimistic here.

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[quote=NC_Skins;863994]Ever thought it has more to do with the team and surrounding talent they have? Notice the difference between San Fran and Tampa Bay.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/careerstats]Steve Young: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


OMG HE"S A BUST BECAUSE HE"S NOT AVERAGING 15.6 YARDS PER PASS AND HE'S NOT ELITE AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR!![/quote]Read this when you get a chance.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies]List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;864006]Read this when you get a chance.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies]List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]

How is that a illogical fallacy? Steve Young sucked at Tampa Bay, but goes to a stacked San Fran team and becomes a hall of famer. The team surrounding the QB has a lot to do with how good they become or how hard they fail.

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[quote=NC_Skins;864007]How is that a illogical fallacy? Steve Young sucked at Tampa Bay, but goes to a stacked San Fran team and becomes a hall of famer. The team surrounding the QB has a lot to do with how good they become or how hard they fail.[/quote]I'm not trying to disagree with the Young example, just how you're using it.

Sure, a player can go from a bad team to a good team and his numbers can improve immensely. I'm not looking to deal in hypotheticals though, at least not right now. Bradford is young enough where you can say Steve Young and I can say JaMarcus, and we can both be right, at least today.

You're essentially using the evidence to say, "players who suck on bad teams for two years can become Steve Young." And I'm really just trying to say that sometimes, they just become JaMarcus Russell. I'm not making any more of a prediction for Sam Bradford's future than you are, just making a comparison that holds to date.

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[quote=GTripp0012;864011]You're essentially using the evidence to say, "players who suck on bad teams for two years can become Steve Young." And I'm really just trying to say that sometimes, they just become JaMarcus Russell. I'm not making any more of a prediction for Sam Bradford's future than you are, just making a comparison that holds to date.[/quote]


No. I'm simply making the statement that there are a lot of factors in play that determine how good a QB can/will become.


Moving Jamarcus Russell to the Colts offense would probably result just the same due to his lack of desire.

Moving Bradford to the same team probably would benefit him big time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;864012]No. I'm simply making the statement that there are a lot of factors in play that determine how good a QB can/will become.[/quote]Agreed. And just because this QB class has been awful through two years doesn't necessarily mean it would continue to be. It just means that none of those guys are where those organizations thought they would be when they picked them, with perhaps the exception of the third rounder.

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[quote=NC_Skins;864012]Moving Jamarcus Russell to the Colts offense would probably result just the same due to his lack of desire.

Moving Bradford to the same team probably would benefit him big time.[/quote]It's unfair to assume that Russell lacks desire and Bradford doesn't. Maybe Sam Bradford isn't really passionate about football. Maybe Russell wanted nothing more in life than to be a successful NFL QB. We simply can't assume that the black guy lacked desire, even though we do know that he wasn't successful at all.

The only thing we really know is that both got drafted first overall by awful teams and weren't good though two seasons. In Russell's case we know he regressed terribly in his third year and is now out of the league. That's the difference. The ending to Russell's story (I believe) has already been written.

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[quote=GTripp0012;864017]It's unfair to assume that Russell lacks desire and Bradford doesn't. Maybe Sam Bradford isn't really passionate about football. Maybe Russell wanted nothing more in life than to be a successful NFL QB. We simply can't assume that the [B][U]black [/U][/B]guy lacked desire, even though we do know that he wasn't successful at all.

The only thing we really know is that both got drafted first overall by awful teams and weren't good though two seasons. In Russell's case we know he regressed terribly in his third year and is now out of the league. That's the difference. The ending to Russell's story (I believe) has already been written.[/quote]

Why was his race even mentioned? It's obvious from his weight and off-season habits he had no desire to get better at his craft. Three years after he was drafted #1, and he can't even sniff a chance at a roster spot even now at his young age. The below should give you some understanding on JR's character.


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/14/life-coach-fires-jamarcus-russell/]“Life coach” fires JaMarcus Russell | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[quote]Russell reportedly worked hard after starting to work with Lucas last September, but he quickly lost focus. He showed up to NFL workouts last November and December out of shape, and his work habits “continued to deteriorate.” Lucas grew tired of trying to get Russell to care.[/quote]

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[quote=GTripp0012;864002]Wait, who can honestly say that it's definitely going to get better from here? Bradford played well last year? I suppose he did when you consider he was a rookie, but their second years are basically identical. And that would seem to negate the idea that he performed great under the circumstances.

I'm not saying young players don't improve, and I had Bradford projected to be really good coming out of Oklahoma, but if he keeps playing like this, he's going to bust. Bradford needs to get a lot better. And it's unclear at this point whether his organization is going to be able to provide him much help.

The Rams should definitely give him more weapons/another year. But we shouldn't avoid being cautiously pessimistic here.[/quote]

Bradford could eventually be a bust but the Russell analogy was a poor choice. Russell looked out of shape, lost and ill prepared in every game he ever played in. Bradford has already had a better career then Russell did.

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[quote=GTripp0012;863983]He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.[/quote]

If i had to rate your +14,000 posts, I'd say this is your lowest moment. :insane: lol, Just kiddin GTripp!!

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[quote=celts32;864020]Bradford could eventually be a bust but the Russell analogy was a poor choice. Russell looked out of shape, lost and ill prepared in every game he ever played in. Bradford has already had a better career then Russell did.[/quote]As judged by talent scouts? Perhaps you're right. As judged by statistics, division titles, playoff wins, comeback victories? Not so much.

Look, I thought Bradford would be a solid starter coming out of OU. I thought Russell would be a bust coming out of LSU. Was I right on Russell? Probably. Was I right on Bradford? It's not looking good, but there's still a shot that I was. Point is, I have no reason to root against Sam Bradford, but when in two seasons, the only two names who have performed worse than you are a rookie Jimmy Clausen and a rookie Blaine Gabbert, and a horrible Curtis Painter, well, that's definitely not worth ignoring, right?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;864025]If i had to rate your 14,00 + posts, I'd say this is your lowest moment,[/quote]Duly noted. We will all reflect on this moment in five years as a low point in Warpath history.

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[quote=NC_Skins;863920]Not just warpath. Many fans say the same thing, which is exactly why he was saying it. To mock them.[/quote]

I know he was.

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[quote=GTripp0012;864030]Duly noted. We will all reflect on this moment in five years as a low point in Warpath history.[/quote]

LOL!! But my posts on the other hand bring nothing but pure non biased journalism to the table of top notch caliber, inwhich everyone agrees on.

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[quote=NC_Skins;864021]Why was his race even mentioned? It's obvious from his weight and off-season habits he had no desire to get better at his craft. Three years after he was drafted #1, and he can't even sniff a chance at a roster spot even now at his young age. The below should give you some understanding on JR's character.


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/14/life-coach-fires-jamarcus-russell/]“Life coach” fires JaMarcus Russell | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]Nothing about JaMarcus Russell's character should be obvious to us. The very end of his NFL career was a total train wreck. A very rare train wreck, I might add. A lot of people wrote a lot of terrible things about him and then there was the whole citation for codeine that made him untouchable.

I do think it's fair to criticize his work habits. I don't think it's fair to cite his desire or character as a defense for Sam Bradford.

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It's still too soon to say whether or not the 2010 draft class is great or terrible. Clausen is the only QB from that draft class that's seemingly a bust. Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy all possess the potential to be great. All they need around them is play makers.

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I cannot believe that everyone here has missed the hidden gems of the 2010 QB class. Two QBs were taken in the fifth round:

1. John Skelton - - now starting for the Arizona "Bleeping" Cardinals - - and - -

2. Jonathon Crompton.


And you folks believe this draft class might be "historically awful"? :pffff:

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They have to outdo 2007's QB class first. ;)