Jim Haslett's inconsistent defense
 

If there's one off season move I would like to see the Redskins to make, is to replace Jim Haslett as DC, his defenses drive me nuts. One week they play great, the next week they allow RB's and QB's to run at will. The one thing I've noticed with Haslett is that he has not been able to adjust his defense to scrambling type QB's like Vick, Newton, Webb/Ponder. 2 years now with the same problem and no fix. If Leslie Frazier or Raheem Morris get fired, I would like to see either one as a replacement. Your thoughts?

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I like the inconsist part.

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I believe Haslett will have one more year to prove himself, that is if Shanny decide not to stick with him all the way. The defense might be inconsistent but this year is big improvement compared to last year, and that credit goes to Haslett.

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Haslett isn't the problem. This defense is good/capable enough to be a super bowl worthy defense; its the offense that holds it back, and makes their stats look worse than what they really are. My only concern with our defense is that we can't get to the QB quick enough. We only sacked brady once. Giants got to him 5 times. We gotta get creative when we blitz the QB quickly.

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The thing that worries me about Haslett is that he has always had the same inconsistent issues everywhere he's been, NO, Rams, Pitt. One week great play next week you are wondering what happened to the D from the previous week, something you never worried about w/ Petitbone. Yesterday they allowed 33 pts. do you call that a good D? With the talent on the D it should be better especially against the Vikes.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870167]I like the inconsist part.[/quote]

I had just woken up, Thanks!

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The defense looked poor against the Vikes and the immortal Joe Webb.

That said, overall the defense has been very good this year and has not been our problem. Sure, we could use more creative blitzing and the secondary has had its troubles. But if we had a competent offense we'd be in the playoff hunt. So it is hard for me to bust on Haslett too much. Raheem Morris would be nice but I would not mind bringing back Haslett.

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Through 15 Weeks, the Redskins had one of the most consistent defenses in the NFL.

That's not true anymore, obviously, but it not like inconsistency is a plague that runs through this team. It's a veteran laden defense that offers you pretty much the same effort every week. This week, it failed to stop Joe Webb and Toby Gerhart. Oh well. I'll be more interested to see how it does next week against a bunch of guys we'll see again in 2012 when they are trying to win the super bowl.

And if they shut down the Eagles, no one is going to sit and lament how inconsistent they were the last two weeks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870183]Through 15 Weeks, the Redskins had one of the most consistent defenses in the NFL.

That's not true anymore, obviously, but it not like inconsistency is a plague that runs through this team. It's a veteran laden defense that offers you pretty much the same effort every week. This week, it failed to stop Joe Webb and Toby Gerhart. Oh well. I'll be more interested to see how it does next week against a bunch of guys we'll see again in 2012 when they are trying to win the super bowl.

And if they shut down the Eagles, no one is going to sit and lament how inconsistent they were the last two weeks.[/quote]

How about against Carolina, Buffalo, Miami, Jets, NE, Minnesota?

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I like the individual parts if not the scheme and execution. I think Perry Riley is a real keeper and has been a pleasant surprise this season. In fact, if you look at the front seven I'm not sure where the Skins are in need of a significant upgrade. This helps us come draft time as we can focus on depth and plug some holes in the back four.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870175]I had just woken up, Thanks![/quote]

Just giving you ish.

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[quote=12thMan;870186]I like the individual parts if not the scheme and execution. I think Perry Riley is a real keeper and has been a pleasant surprise this season. In fact, if you look at the front seven I'm not sure where the Skins are in need of a significant upgrade. This helps us come draft time as we can focus on depth and plug some holes in the back four.[/quote]

I don't question the talent, but I do the scheme and lack of adjustment, it's been 2 years and he still hasn't adjusted to a scrambling type QB.

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they had a really bad game yesterday, Wilson was terrible at Corner, Riley was out of position a ton, Reed was just Reed, not a starting saftey in the NFL. OJ at safety seemed very slow again...Safety is a much more of a concern that CB going into the offseason.

Defense was bad yesterday period.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870185]How about against Carolina, Buffalo, Miami, Jets, NE, Minnesota?[/quote]Wait, you're just talking about wins and losses then? Your list looks like a bunch of good teams, and then yesterday against backups. At least thats how I see it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870189]I don't question the talent, but I do the scheme and lack of adjustment, it's been 2 years and he still hasn't adjusted to a scrambling type QB.[/quote]I think its fair to say that Michael Vick has given Haslett fits and is the one QB who it has taken him all the way until half to adjust to, but I want to give him the first half of next week before I write off his tenure as "cant defend scrambling quarterbacks."

I think the injuries hurt and also the fact that Brian hasn't had a great impact this season, honestly I just think he's a natural 4-3 DE? Kerrigan fits the 3-4 better IMO. That being said our D needs some serious help at CB and S.. OJA and LL were disappointments this season and Josh Wilson is a 3rd at best

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[quote=GTripp0012;870193]I think its fair to say that Michael Vick has given Haslett fits and is the one QB who it has taken him all the way until half to adjust to, but I want to give him the first half of next week before I write off his tenure as "cant defend scrambling quarterbacks."[/quote]

Vick, Newton, Fitzpatrick, Moore, Ponder/Webb, all these guys gave Haslett's D problems scrambling and couldn't even adjust to Newton, Moore, Fitzpatrick, Ponder/Webb, Vick. 2 years and still not fixed, let's see how he handles Vick next week.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870166]If there's one off season move I would like to see the Redskins to make, is to replace Jim Haslett as DC, his defenses drive me nuts. One week they play great, the next week they allow RB's and QB's to run at will. The one thing I've noticed with Haslett is that he has not been able to adjust his defense to scrambling type QB's like Vick, Newton, Webb/Ponder. 2 years now with the same problem and no fix. If Leslie Frazier or Raheem Morris get fired, I would like to see either one as a replacement. Your thoughts?[/quote]


So, blow up a defense that went from 32 to top 10? Has 2 or 3 rookies playing quite well, a 2nd year LB playing well, one of the best in the NFL on 3rd down, top 5 or 10 in sacks in the NFL??

Yeah, why not blow it up and start over.. and move back to 4-3 with the very good 3-4 personel we have brought in here.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870174]The thing that worries me about Haslett is that he has always had the same inconsistent issues everywhere he's been, NO, Rams, Pitt. One week great play next week you are wondering what happened to the D from the previous week, something you never worried about w/ Petitbone. Yesterday they allowed 33 pts. do you call that a good D? With the talent on the D it should be better especially against the Vikes.[/quote]


So would you say holding teams like dallas to 6 field goals, holding pats down pretty much the game, holding the jets for 55 minutes, 49ers....is that good.

amazing how after a loss all people can focus on is negative and try make shit up to say someone needs to get fired. Haslett has formed a top 10 defense with one draft and one offseason. From 32 in the NFL to TOP 10!! What the hell is wrong with people. This is why we are so damn awful every other year because we change this and change that and are not consistant. Stay the course, and maybe we'll be in the top 3 next year... but that will probably not be good enough because we should be #1.

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[quote=#56fanatic;870200]So, blow up a defense that went from 32 to top 10? Has 2 or 3 rookies playing quite well, a 2nd year LB playing well, one of the best in the NFL on 3rd down, top 5 or 10 in sacks in the NFL??

Yeah, why not blow it up and start over.. and move back to 4-3 with the very good 3-4 personel we have brought in here.[/quote]

Who said anything about blowing up the D? Switch DC that's all.

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[quote=#56fanatic;870201]So would you say holding teams like dallas to 6 field goals, holding pats down pretty much the game, holding the jets for 55 minutes, 49ers....is that good.

amazing how after a loss all people can focus on is negative and try make shit up to say someone needs to get fired. Haslett has formed a top 10 defense with one draft and one offseason. From 32 in the NFL to TOP 10!! What the hell is wrong with people. This is why we are so damn awful every other year because we change this and change that and are not consistant. Stay the course, and maybe we'll be in the top 3 next year... but that will probably not be good enough because we should be #1.[/quote]

Statistics are nice, but execution is better. This has nothing with the loss, I'm just frustrated with inconsistent play and lack of adjustment. Tell me something, has he adjusted to scrambling QB's in the last 2 years? I want the best ****ing D every week not every other week or 2 weeks. Tell me why is Haslett like a gypsy going from team to team over the years? It all starts with the DC not the talent.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870189]I don't question the talent, but I do the scheme and lack of adjustment, it's been 2 years and he still hasn't adjusted to a scrambling type QB.[/quote]

I can understand why you dont question the talent, because its no question that this team doesnt have much talent. I have to believe that there are adjustments being made but I have no doubt those adjustments are limited because of what the limited talent can/cant do.

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The problem with the Redskins on defense is in the secondary. DeAngelo Hall and Josh Wilson have been getting scorched. I'll cut the safeties some slack, since Landry and Atogwe have been hurt, with Gomes and Doughty playing in a reserve role. There's nothing wrong with the defensive linemen or the linebackers. The problem is in the secondary. This is something that needs to be fixed. Mike Shanahan knows it too.

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I have never been a big Hasslett fan and I am especially talking about before he got here (Redskins). He is not a DC that I would want to go out and get. So I would not cry a river if he is replaced. If a heavy hitter becomes available this offseason I say lets get him. Hasslett is not a negative or positive. I want a DC that will raise the level of play of the entire defense. A real difference maker. Hasslett is not that guy. Just my opinion.

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i want to keep a coaching staff together for more than 2 years. we should keep haslett. im tired of constant turnover.

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I like Jim Haslett a little. He's a very good defensive coordinator. The defense has move up 19 slots up from a season ago when they were ranked 31st. I'm predicting that the Washington Redskins will be a top 5 defense next season. But in order to do so, the Redskins need far better play in the secondary. Hall and Wilson just didn't cut it this year.

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I am not a huge Haslett fan, but I cant see firing a guy with a to 15 defense, when your son has been leadin an offense that has been terrible for two years.

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The problem with run oriented QB's like Webb, Newton and Vick against the Skins D is the lack of back end speed. None of the safeties are fast enough to get to them and the front seven are all aggressively going for a sack instead of contain. They didn't practice against an option for months (if at all) and when Webb came in they needed to completely throw out the gameplan and start over. Ponder and Peterson were shut down but Webb and Gerhardt are completely different styles of play at their positions. If anyone should be blamed it's Fletcher for knocking Ponder senseless and forcing his backup in (jk).

To repeat what's been said, rebuilding takes time. Don't complain about Snyder's lack of patience in trying to go for a quick fix then want to change coaches if we aren't in the playoffs after two seasons. As much as I want a new OC I know that changing now is tantamount to starting over. Most people on here were saying 3-4 years before we're respectable when MS was hired. It's been two years! Haslett has been going after specific skill sets for "his" schemes (along with MS and Allen). Morris and Frazier both run 4-3's and would want completely different skill sets in their players.

I know we have two months of everyone should be fired before the FA begins but come on. Haslett has made over the front seven into one of the better in the NFL right now and it's mostly young guys.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870204]Statistics are nice, but execution is better. This has nothing with the loss, I'm just frustrated with inconsistent play and lack of adjustment. Tell me something, has he adjusted to scrambling QB's in the last 2 years? I want the best ****ing D every week not every other week or 2 weeks. Tell me why is Haslett like a gypsy going from team to team over the years? It all starts with the DC not the talent.[/quote]

So Vick, Cam and who ever else you listed hasn't done the same stuff to other teams they have played against. Vick and Cam are rare QB's that you have to account for both as a runner and a passer. I live in Charlotte and Cam gives every single team they play trouble. Haslett is not the problem. What else to you want dude. 32nd ranked to 10th over all ranked. I just dont get it. Dont blame him for a loss or inconsistant play. Big plays that I can remember for example against Dallas were individual players getting beat or screwing up.

I can't believe people want to get rid of a coach that has visibly made our defense one of the top defenses in the NFL. mind boggling.

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[quote=#56fanatic;870239]So Vick, Cam and who ever else you listed hasn't done the same stuff to other teams they have played against. Vick and Cam are rare QB's that you have to account for both as a runner and a passer. I live in Charlotte and Cam gives every single team they play trouble. Haslett is not the problem. What else to you want dude. 32nd ranked to 10th over all ranked. I just dont get it. Dont blame him for a loss or inconsistant play. Big plays that I can remember for example against Dallas were individual players getting beat or screwing up.

[B]I can't believe people want to get rid of a coach that has visibly made our defense one of the top defenses in the NFL. mind boggling[/B].[/quote]
Go figure.........

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Did we cut Orakpo and Kerrigan? I just don't like the way Hasslet looks, he has a dumb ass look on his face all the time so therefore I think he is but that's just my ho.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870167]I like the inconsist part.[/quote]

Haha yeah, the Skins D is as inconsistent as the spelling in the OP.

Just messing with ya SF!

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I'm not saying get rid of Jim Useless. Just never wanted him to begin with.
:bdh:

His defensive track record is less than stellar except when he was a player.

Defensive rankings and statistics aside, what was our W-L record last year, and what is it again this year? Anyone? Anyone?


Yea! That's my point!

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Keep JH he's done a solid job

[QUOTE=backrow;870247]I'm not saying get rid of Jim Useless. Just never wanted him to begin with.
:bdh:

His defensive track record is less than stellar except when he was a player.

Defensive rankings and statistics aside, what was our W-L record last year, and what is it again this year? Anyone? Anyone?


Yea! That's my point![/QUOTE]

Really? Gonna blame our d when they weren't the ones turning the ball over 2 to 3 times each game.

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I would give Haslett another year. However, the team has invested an awful lot of resources on the defensive side of the ball. If the team is able to field a competent offense, Haslett needs to have his defense step up next season. If not, he should not be back in 2013.

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I'd be curious to see what a guy like Dick LeBeau would be able to do with our defense;whether he would be better worse or the same as haslett using the same personel obviously.

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Not a big fan of JH but we just don't have the players to be a great defense. I think the Cofield at NT has been somewhat of a failure. Orakpo is overrated. Kerrigan is a good player, but not great. He's not explosive like the rookie on SF. Even with LL the safties can't cover, and the corners are soft. The defense needs 3 elite players somewhere...whether it's a NT or end with JJ coming back or corner. We just need some elite players, not just average and slightly above average ones. Right now we don't have them.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;870243]Did we cut Orakpo and Kerrigan?[B] I just don't like the way Hasslet looks, he has a dumb ass look on his face[/B] all the time so therefore I think he is but that's just my ho.[/quote]

LOL! He does look kinda lost out there!

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[quote=Chico23231;870191]they had a really bad game yesterday, Wilson was terrible at Corner, Riley was out of position a ton, Reed was just Reed, not a starting saftey in the NFL. [B]OJ at safety seemed very slow again...Safety is a much more of a concern that CB going into the offseason. [/B]

Defense was bad yesterday period.[/quote]

Did this guy just fall off a cliff or something? He's been awful this year. Either he's playing hurt or he just can't play.