What is Andrew Luck Worth?
 

Jay Glazer, Peter King, and Charley Casserly have all heard the same report that Andrew Luck is worth at least 3 first round picks.

Would you trade 3 first rounders for 'the most sure thing at QB since Peyton Manning'?

Remember just because they ask for three first rounders doesn't mean:
A) it has to be 3 firsts, it could be the value of 3 firsts
B) it has to be 3 consecutive years of giving up a first rounder

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I think I'd do it.

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The Jay Cutler price would be a pretty expensive price for Luck. Two first rounders, a third rounder, and an established NFL starting quarterback. I might pay that much to get Andrew Luck. But I would not pay anymore.

The most I would give up for the first overall pick is this year's first round pick, this year's third round pick, next year's first round pick, and a starter on our current roster. That's the Eli Manning price.

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Me too.

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Pull the trigger, never up never in. With Brees and Rodgers in this conference it will take an elite QB and tremendous drafting in the deep rounds.

But does anybody think Indy will entertain offers? I don't. I think the point is moot, Luck will be a Colt.

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No player is worth three first rounders.

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I'd def do it. The manning deal was worth that much (two 1st a second, a third, and a fifth) . The giants had a few shakey seasons at first, but over time turned into a consistantly respectable team. Even in years they didnt make they playoffs I still think they were a good team that had the potential to win any given game. Thats what having a franchise qb does to a team. Plus the won a super bowl.

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[quote=Schneed10;870294]Pull the trigger, never up never in. With Brees and Rodgers in this conference it will take an elite QB and tremendous drafting in the deep rounds.

But does anybody think Indy will entertain offers? I don't. I think the point is moot, [B]Luck will be a Colt[/B].[/quote]

Not if the Colts beat the Jags and the Rams lose to the 49ers.

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Also didn't cutler go for two 1sts and a third? look at how he improved the bears. And he was older and got more money than luck will.

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[quote=skinster;870304]Also didn't cutler go for two 1sts and a third? look at how he improved the bears. [B]And he was older and got more money than luck will.[/B][/quote]Both good points.

The bigger issue, re: Cutler, is that the Bears essentially lost the ability to improve their team via the draft as a result of this trade, and didn't really even improve at the QB position (over Orton) until this season. So it was really an awful trade for the Bears. Cutler's age was a big deal in making the trade because it is NOW that the trade will start to pay off for the Bears. You don't make these huge trades for young quarterbacks in hopes of making the playoffs next year or even for the current head coach. You do it to make the franchise better down the road if you don't like any of the other college prospects.

If we traded three first round picks for Luck, it would make everyone who ever used the word "rebuilding" on the topic this team look dumb. We'd have no choice but to sign big money free agents to give Luck a competitive team. But enough good personnel decisions, and you can get yourself out of any mess, with or without Andrew Luck.

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[quote=Landry44;870299]No player is worth three first rounders.[/quote]

I agree, especially a player who has never taken a snap in pro football.

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I personally don't think it's worth it.

It's like the preparation behind bringing a baby home for the first time. You don't just come home from the delivery room and have the baby sleep on the couch. We need a lot of competitively supporting members before we can add someone like Luck. Bringing in Luck under our current situation would just stunt his NFL development.


At our current draft position and lack of team depth, we'd lose way too much player value moving up to get Luck.

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I would trade 3 1st rounders in a second for Luck. I said on here I would have traded them for Cutler a couple years ago also and everyone thought I was crazy. If we had Cutler now we are disccussing potential playoff matchups not next year. There is no price tag to high for a franchise QB...

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If it is possible to get Luck, you get him. I'd pay any price listed in this thread to get him.

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[quote=celts32;870312]I would trade 3 1st rounders in a second for Luck. I said on here I would have traded them for Cutler a couple years ago also and everyone thought I was crazy. If we had Cutler now we are disccussing potential playoff matchups not next year. There is no price tag to high for a franchise QB...[/quote]Cutler has been to the playoffs one out of three seasons in Chicago, and Chicago was a much better, younger team when they acquired him. I have no idea why you think we would have been in the playoffs this year if we pulled the trigger.

We are not a good team even with Trent Williams, Orakpo, and Kevin Barnes.

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[quote=Lotus;870315]If it is possible to get Luck, you get him. I'd pay any price listed in this thread to get him.[/quote]

Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.

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[quote=irish;870321]Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.[/quote]
Every team in the league that doesnt have a top ten QB is in the same boat. The thing is we can draft a QB in the seventh round. No one really ever knows, but the higher you pick the better chance you have of picking a great one. GB tried like hell to trade the pick and could not find a partner. To bad the Redskins trade up to take the next pick and get Campbell.

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Bold prediction time-Colts beat the Jags and Rams lose to Niners on Sunday giving the Rams the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft.

In the preamble to the draft, knowing the Rams will deal the pick, the Luck camp lets it be known that the Redskins are Andrew's preference citing proximity to home (West Virginia) and Shanahan's reputation with QB plus uncertainty at the other potential landing spots (Cleveland with an unproven Pat Shurmer, Miami with ??? and Indy with Manning's situation)

The morning of the draft we secure the #1 pick for 2012 1st and 3rd, 2013 1st and 3rd & our 2014 2nd for the #1 overall in 2012 plus a 5th this year and a 4th next year.

Book it as done and it will be worth it.

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[quote=irish;870321]Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

[B]As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. [/B] I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.[/quote]

You realize when Campbell got hurt they were in first place and looking at a 10 or 11 win season right? Granted McFadden getting hurt had a lot to do with the fact that they've been inconsistent with Palmer but he hasn't been worth the price (meaning being lights out, unquestionably changed the position) at all.

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3?
.........NO first round 'till 2015? No thanx..........

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[quote=GTripp0012;870316]Cutler has been to the playoffs one out of three seasons in Chicago, and Chicago was a much better, younger team when they acquired him. I have no idea why you think we would have been in the playoffs this year if we pulled the trigger.

We are not a good team even with Trent Williams, Orakpo, and Kevin Barnes.[/quote]

The Bears were the 2nd best team in the NFC when Cutler went down this year and his value and for that matter the value of having a good QB has been proven by the way the bears have played without him. I believe the Redskins are closer to winning then you do. QB play affects the whole team as we have seen in DC. The Redskins would easily be 3 or 4 wins better with quality play at the QB position and Cutler knows how to run this offense at a high level.

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[quote=irish;870307]I agree, especially a player who has never taken a snap in pro football.[/quote]
I don't think people are considering the risk with investing so much in one player. I know he's been hyped up to be a once in a generation type of player. He's going to have a lot of pressure on him to produce right away which I think he can under the right circumstances. I don't think we have the players on this team right now for him to be successful right away. The way I look at it, this team needs at least two more good drafts to be a consistent winner; not just one player. Giving up three first rounders will set us back for years even if Luck turns out to be who many believe he will be. We all know we need franchise guy to be a consistent winner. You also need quality guys around him and depth. Mortgaging away the next three drafts is not smart move when you can draft a guy and develop him. Now there are some trades that we should consider, but three first rounders is not one of them.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870280]Jay Glazer, Peter King, and Charley Casserly have all heard the same report that Andrew Luck is worth at least 3 first round picks.

Would you trade 3 first rounders for 'the most sure thing at QB since Peyton Manning'?

Remember just because they ask for three first rounders doesn't mean:
A) it has to be 3 firsts, it could be the value of 3 firsts
B) it has to be 3 consecutive years of giving up a first rounder[/quote]

No freakin' way. Not worth it.

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[quote=irish;870321]Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.[/quote]

Palmer has looked terrible at times. Could be rust but his last few years with Cincy were not that good. He could never regain the form he had his first few years. Oakland gave up way too much. They were doing just fine with JC.

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[quote=irish;870321]Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.[/quote]

A lot of fans are acting like Luck is our only hope of being a contender. I can understand why they covet this guy, however, I don't think he's worth what it would cost to get him. I agree with you that we can get our guy in the later part of the first round or even the second round. In my opinion, a qb's success depends heavily on the system and supporting cast. GB did a excellent job developing Aaron Rogers and putting excellent talent around him. People didn't consider Rogers as a once in a generation player, yet he's playing like one. One of the main reasons he's been so successful is because he's a perfect fit for the system he's playing in and has an excellent supporting cast. All we have to do is find the guy that fits our system like a glove. There are enough quality guys in this draft to find just that without trading way the future.

Lets say for argument sake that we can't find our guy in this draft. We can still improve this offense and build depth so when we do finally get our guy he will have to supporting cast around him to be successful. One way or the other we're going to need to upgrade our qb position, ol and wrs core. It doesn't matter in which order we do it. It something that needs to be done for us to be successful. There are a lot of quality wrs, te, and ol in this draft from round 1-5. I see no reason to not to trade back and stack up on picks to build quality depth on this team if RG3 is unavailable to us. I know here is a lot of people here that's going to disagree with me, but this is the way I see it.

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If could I see into the future and know that Luck will be the franchise QB everyone thinks he will be then sure, he's worth 2/3 first rounders. Because no one knows how he'll pan out with THIS team, he's not worth the risk.

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[quote=diehard;870344]If could I see into the future and know that Luck will be the franchise QB everyone thinks he will be then sure, he's worth 2/3 first rounders. Because no one knows how he'll pan out with THIS team, he's not worth the risk.[/quote]

Thank you brother for talking sense.

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[quote=irish;870321]Why cant the Redskins find their QB later in the first round? GB didnt have to give up the farm to get their franchise QB but for some reason the Redskins talent evaluators just dont have the ability to find diamonds in the rough.

As for getting Cutler, I'd have much rather seen the Skins go after Palmer. Palmer has been the difference maker in turning Oakland around as they now have a legit QB that they havent had since Gannon. I think CP really could have made a similar impact here.[/quote]

Your first paragraph offers a fair argument. It certainly would be good to find an Aaron Rodgers at #24.

In most years I would be 100% behind your argument. But this is not a normal year because Luck is not a normal QB prospect. I think with Luck the very sensible and intelligent argument that "no player is worth all of those picks" gets thrown out of the window.

Put differently: if the Colts had had to trade 3 high picks to get Peyton Manning in 1998, would it have been worth it to them? It seems to me that the answer is yes.

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It's time for us to go after the qb we want. In fact, it's long overdue. Give up whatever is necessary to make that happen. Do not find some stop-gap player if we can't get what we want. Grossman is just as good as any other if we have to wait another year. But for the love of God, if the opportunity is there to get a Manning, Bradford, Luck or RG3 type player- pull the trigger.

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If the Rams get the #1 pick, I think we will pull the trigger on the Luck trade.

At least a first this year and maybe one next yr plus a second this year but I think luck is worth it

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Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870355]Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.[/quote]

It was too much. Is it going to get them over the hump and beat GB? Probably not. Green Bay still has a better offense. Never ever pay that much for a wr.

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Here's what I don't understand. If Barkely would've came out he would've been the 2nd or 3rd QB taken. But is he any better than Nick Foles? Foles is putting up great numbers and he's on a shitty team this year. Foles seems to have a bigger arm and looks like a better athlete. I'd take a look at this guy if I were Shanahan/Allen.

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[quote=Landry44;870299]No player is worth three first rounders.[/quote]

This. ^

I'll throw a hissy fit if we dump that many picks for him.

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i would not give up 3 1st rounders for luck. id rather get a guy like foles in the 2nd rather than bet our forseeable future on an unproven rookie qb, regardless of how much of a "sure thing" he is. i do think he will be a great qb, but its not a sure thing...

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[quote=skinsfan69;870358]It was too much. Is it going to get them over the hump and beat GB? Probably not. Green Bay still has a better offense. Never ever pay that much for a wr.[/quote]

That wasn't the point, I thought they gave up too much too, but that's who they wanted and they paid for him. If Luck is who Shanny wants he will pay for him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;870355]Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.[/quote]

I get what you are saying. If you leave out the fact that Jones is a WR, the point remains that you get what you pay for. And if you want a once-in-a-generation QB, you have to pay big.

Of course, the flip side of the Jones scenario is that the Browns have 2 first rounders this year, making it tough to outbid them if they are fervent after Luck.

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[quote=Paintrain;870327]Bold prediction time-Colts beat the Jags and Rams lose to Niners on Sunday giving the Rams the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft.

In the preamble to the draft, knowing the Rams will deal the pick, the Luck camp lets it be known that the Redskins are Andrew's preference citing proximity to home (West Virginia) and Shanahan's reputation with QB plus uncertainty at the other potential landing spots (Cleveland with an unproven Pat Shurmer, Miami with ??? and Indy with Manning's situation)

The morning of the draft we secure the #1 pick for 2012 1st and 3rd, 2013 1st and 3rd & our 2014 2nd for the #1 overall in 2012 plus a 5th this year and a 4th next year.

Book it as done and it will be worth it.[/quote]

I'd take it!

Also isn't the risk/reward worth it? If Luck is a bust, at least the financial commitment wont be there, because of the new CBA. We could walk after 3 years( if it's not working out )and not be in any kind of salary cap nightmare.

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Ok if I came up to you and said lets go back in time and I'll give you the opportunity to get Peyton Manning with the first pick, but you have to give me 3 first rounders, would you do it?

Thats how people are viewing/treating this Luck kid (and pick)