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[B]Rumor #1[/B] is that the Eagles will shop DeSean Jackson unless his agent (Drew Rosenhaus) comes down more than a little bit on the amount of the signing bonus he wants in the new contract. Jackson not only wants guaranteed $$$ but he wants it up front at signing not stretched out over even 2 years. Jackson is a hell of a receiver but he is also a head-case and someone who has been known to "dog it".

Do you buy making a run at DeSean Jackson to upgrade by a large measure the Skins' WR corps even though he has some "issues" and is looking to get himself a fat wallet?



[B]Rumor #2[/B] is that the Bears will shop Matt Forte who will be coming off a serious knee injury and who wants to be paid the way a top RB is paid.

Do you buy or sell trying to acquire Forte coming off an injury?



[B]Rumor #3[/B] is that the Vikings would like to trade their #1 pick to get "a player" and a couple of lower round picks. Vikes will pick ahead of the Skins and may pick 3rd.

Do you buy or sell trading with the Vikings - - meaning you give up lower picks and "a player" to get two high draft picks in 2012?


Finally, here is one thing I would really like to see come to pass for the 2012 season. The Chargers will fire Norv Turner early in January. I would LOVE to see Kyle Shanahan decide to move on to some other challenge and for the Skins to hire Norv Turner as the offensive coordinator and the play caller. Any chance Mike Shanahan has enough stroke to get his kid the open head coaching job at Penn State?


[For the record, I would [B]not[/B] try for Jackson or Forte but would seriously try to work out a deal with the Vikings...]

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If RGIII or Luck was available I trade with the Vikes, pass on #1 and #2. Norv Turner is not coming here nor does he run the WCO, he despises Snyder. Kyle is doing a good job and is going nowhere, his dad won't fire him to hire Turner, no way!!

Sell on all except moving up



Everyone wants ks gone but he's done a good job imo, I mean look at our roster on offense and name me one guy that starts at the same position on most teams... Only Trent Williams and maybe and it's a big maybe Fred Davis. Moss is a number 2 now and so is JG. Both backs are solid but unproven and then of course Kyle has the worst qb situation in the NFL

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You must play a lot of Madden because most of your posts are totally off the wall Snyderish.

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C'mon man! Sell!

If Penn State doesn't make a serious run at someone like, say, Tony Dungy they are way off the mark and have failed their university on every level. They sorely need a figure that knows more than just X's and O's, someone who can restore the sense of broken trust between the school and the community and the sports world at large, frankly. A person that has instant street cred and would under no circumstances allow something like what just took place to happen on his watch. Few people come to mind who can balance going about the business of winning football games and remaking the program's severely damaged image

There are many good football coaches, but few good men the caliber of Tony Dungy who understands football and the delicate situation at hand right now at Penn State. I pray the board of trustees and the new president understand this.

As far as Kyle goes, eh, I think Mike will bring him back. It's one of those, the offense showed signs life late in the season things. Trust, I'm no fan of Kyle or Mike. And with at least 6 or 7 potential head coach openings Norv Turner will land another gig somewhere else. No way in hell he would come back to DC as an assistant?

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i'd buy on desean jackson, and sell the other 2. the only way i trade up is to get luck i think. i love RG3 but im not sure hes worth giving up a lot in a trade to get. desean jackson would look good in a skins uniform

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Buy on Jackson, sell on Forte, sell on trading with the Vikings, sell on Kyle going anywhere and close out sell on Norv coming back here in any capacity other than as a tourist.

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Sell all the things.

Jackson is a good receiver, but not worth breaking the bank for, especially for a team that needs a lot of help on offense. He's a 2nd or 3rd tier #1 WR. He's very good, but would not consider him elite. As a receiver that relies on speed, he's not going to have a ton of longevity to his tenure.

Feel bad for Forte. Dude played great this year and due to the injury will be really hurting to get the contract he deserves, that said, we're set at RB. Last thing we need is a high priced vet with a knee injury. We have Hightower who looked good and two very promising rookies.

Depending on the player and what's available on the board -- I'd consider this. Would love to see us bring in a talented QB/WR combo. Blackmon from OKST has looked beastly. Would add a brand new dimension to our offense. That said, I really doubt this ever happens.

I do not want Norv back in DC. He's a fantastic O Coordinator. I want some continuity on this damned team. Kyle takes way too much blame for the issues the Redskins offensive woes. He has garbage talent on that side of the ball. With all things considered, I think he has done pretty well. I want to see what he can do with some genuine talent.

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1. Sell. I don't see D Jax as a reliable #1 WR. He's an occasional playmaker but I can't count on him to be guy

2. Sell. Two months ago I would have said buy. Even with Hightower's injury. And even with Forte's injury. But that's because I didn't know how much of a workload Helu can handle. And he can handle more than I expected. Bears should do whatever it takes to keep him.

3. On the fence. Probably sell though.

4. Not even worth responding to

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I don't care what talent Jackson has, I'm not buying him at all. Let's develop our young receivers and see what we already have. Our #1 priority is getting a franchise quarterback. We have good enough receivers to throw to already.

And there's no need for Matt Forte. During the earlier part of the season when he was healthy and our backs just weren't hitting on much, I had mentioned (maybe not on here) that the 'skins should pursue Forte in the offseason. But, since his knee injury, and the emergence of Helu and Royster, I say no to Forte. Again, let's develop our young talent and go from there.

IF we have a chance at landing someone like Andrew Luck, then I'm all for trading with Minnesota. However, I don't think that's much of a chance considering the Vikings have no chance at the first pick in the draft, and no chance at landing Andrew Luck. But maybe St. Louis does? That is the one I'd be interested in doing business with.

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Oh, and Norv Turner would NEVER come back to Washington as long as Daniel Snyder is the owner. Why would he?

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1) Pass on DJ - explosive player but not worth the headaches.

2) Forte? Pass, we've got a couple of nice young backs and paying big money for a RB is not Shanahan's MO.

3) Depends.

4) K. Shanahan to Penn St? Just sounds odd. Norv coming here and Shanahan changing up the offense? That sounds even more odd.

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As strange as it sounds, Im not convinced Norv is done in San Diego. That organization is very unique, and if i had to bet money, Norv stays.

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[quote=Chico23231;870678]As strange as it sounds, Im not convinced Norv is done in San Diego. That organization is very unique, and if i had to bet money, Norv stays.[/quote]

If you had a million dollars to bet, I'd definitely take you up on it (even though I'm not a betting man!)

Norv Turner is gone from San Diego by the end of this weekend. And not only that, so is the GM. Luckily, whoever picks Turner up as an offensive coordinator will be set! I could see Turner going to Jacksonville, or wherever the Jags will eventually wind up.

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1. Sell DJax
2. Sell Forte
3. Buy Vikings or any other trade up that can net us Luck or RG3.
4. SELL SELL SELL SELL any thought of Norv Turner drawing another paycheck from the Redskins for the rest of eternity! Regardless, Kyle is not the problem on offense anyway...

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[quote=celts32;870682]1. Sell DJax
2. Sell Forte
3. Buy Vikings or any other trade up that can net us Luck or RG3.
4. SELL SELL SELL SELL any thought of Norv Turner drawing another paycheck from the Redskins for the rest of eternity! [B]Regardless, Kyle is not the problem on offense anyway[/B]...[/quote]

Its a talent issue for sure, but Shanny the second half of the season was way more involved in the offense than before.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;870632][B]Rumor #1[/B] is that the Eagles will shop DeSean Jackson unless his agent (Drew Rosenhaus) comes down more than a little bit on the amount of the signing bonus he wants in the new contract. Jackson not only wants guaranteed $$$ but he wants it up front at signing not stretched out over even 2 years. Jackson is a hell of a receiver but he is also a head-case and someone who has been known to "dog it".

Do you buy making a run at DeSean Jackson to upgrade by a large measure the Skins' WR corps even though he has some "issues" and is looking to get himself a fat wallet?



[B]Rumor #2[/B] is that the Bears will shop Matt Forte who will be coming off a serious knee injury and who wants to be paid the way a top RB is paid.

Do you buy or sell trying to acquire Forte coming off an injury?



[B]Rumor #3[/B] is that the Vikings would like to trade their #1 pick to get "a player" and a couple of lower round picks. Vikes will pick ahead of the Skins and may pick 3rd.

Do you buy or sell trading with the Vikings - - meaning you give up lower picks and "a player" to get two high draft picks in 2012?


Finally, here is one thing I would really like to see come to pass for the 2012 season. The Chargers will fire Norv Turner early in January. I would LOVE to see Kyle Shanahan decide to move on to some other challenge and for the Skins to hire Norv Turner as the offensive coordinator and the play caller. Any chance Mike Shanahan has enough stroke to get his kid the open head coaching job at Penn State?


[For the record, I would [B]not[/B] try for Jackson or Forte but would seriously try to work out a deal with the Vikings...][/quote]


Jackson is a stud (when he wants to play) but I would just stay away from that. He is basically the same version of Moss. I like what we have in that area right now with Paul, Hankerson coming on as the young guys. He just seems to be a big ego in the locker room and I think we should stear clear of that kind of personality.

No way I go for Forte. He is one of the best every down back in the NFL, but with Helu and Royster and possibly Hightower (i think he gets released) we have a good tandem plus they are only 1st year guys.

As far as the draft picks with Minnesota, that may be the only option you pose that is realistic. RGIII will be available at that position in the draft. If that is a possibility, I think we'll get him. They like a mobile QB that can move around the pocket, perform the rollouts, so I think he is a good possibility.

As far as Kyle goes, no. We need to keep some continuity in Ashburn. He is a good offensive coordinator. It takes time people, plus it takes the horses. And we are missing the biggest horse needed to run this offense.....the QB. the offense is leaps better than last year. THe last month or month 1/2 have been a very productive period. Avg about 20+ points a game, yardage is up there, running game is up there. Just keep this ship moving in the right direction. Bringing in a different OC or DC diverts the ship and that is what we DO NOT NEED. THere is marked improvement on both sides of the ball, and more importantly the improvement has been brought on by the youth movement in DC. Oline is younger, receivers are younger, RB's are rookies. We are going in the right direction, just have some patience.

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If Norv gets fired, he will end up where came from [B]Dallas.[/B] Garrett is currently the coach and OC and he needs help, Norv in Dallas is a marriage made in heaven.

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Sell Headcase DJax

Sell Forte

Buy Vikes trade if the price is not too steep

If we were to land an ex-head coach, I would want Spagnuolo, not Norv. But getting Spags likely would mean re-re-tooling for a 4-3 and that is not very sensible.

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Sell on all but the deal with the Vikings.

To do such a deal with the Vikings, we'd first need to load up with some good, young FA talent prior to the draft in order to overcome the loss of draft picks.

I'd do the deal because we need playmakers. If RGIII is there at #3 and we could take the BPA at #7 (e.g., CB Morris Claiborne or OT Jonathan Martin) it would be well worth the deal.

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1) Id def kick the tires on D Jackson but if he wont budge from wanting the bulk of his guaranteed money up front then you run away. That has fat albert part 2 written all over it. We should never ever ever ever give a player a front loaded contract.

2) The bears did forte dirty imo. I know its a business. Forte wanted to be extended from his rookie contract, given guarantees he would make some decent coin in the last year of his rookie contract in case he blew a knee out. Bears wanted to hold out, make him play thru his final year then make a decision. Bears players wanted him extended.

Id pass on forte, i wouldnt offer a significant contract to any runningback past 3-4 years in the league. just a rotating door position imo, rotate every couple years.

3) Cant make an informed decision until eveyrhting plays out but RG3 would make this franchise a ton of money and restore alot of hype/hope that I dont think this fanbase has. We havent had an electric offensive player since . .i dont think we have ever had a truly electric offensive player.

4) I give KS alot more credit i suppose than others. He is working with crap, a crap QB, a crap OL, a bunch of late round or UFA rookie runningbacks and castoff wide receivers . . and yet the offense still puts up a decent showing. Have we forgotten just how dull and ineffective our offense has been the past decade? Checkdowns and 2 yard runs and a cloud of dirt was our MO for so long. Everyone was bitching and moaning for a modern offense for years, to stretch the field, down field passing attack, 3 or 4 wide, etc and we finally got one with this coaching staff. KS has devised an actual passing game with utter crap for talent. I cant understand the hate for KS, really cant.

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Its a Fire Sale, everything must go.

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two high 1st would be great, it just depends what they want (of course), but i'd look into that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870657]1. Sell. I don't see D Jax as a reliable #1 WR. He's an occasional playmaker but I can't count on him to be guy

2. Sell. Two months ago I would have said buy. Even with Hightower's injury. And even with Forte's injury. But that's because I didn't know how much of a workload Helu can handle. And he can handle more than I expected. Bears should do whatever it takes to keep him.

3. On the fence. Probably sell though.

4. Not even worth responding to[/quote]


......this.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870695]If Norv gets fired, he will end up where came from [B]Dallas.[/B] Garrett is currently the coach and OC and he needs help, Norv in Dallas is a marriage made in heaven.[/quote]

Makes sense.

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Really?? Norv Turner? Who is this guy?

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I would not make a competitive offer for any of the free agent receivers. I would either trade for a WR who fits our system, such as Johnnie Knox, or draft a receiver who fits our system. There's a lot of good receivers out there in free agency but the only one who really fits what we want to do with our receivers is Vincent Jackson. And he may not be much of a value.

DeSean Jackson isn't a fit here, but he would have been nice to have four years ago when having a receiver of his caliber was the difference between making and missing the playoffs.

The problem with Forte is that the Bears have to put the franchise tag on him to trade him, and that plays with what we can do with our salary cap, especially since we're likely to use our franchise tag this season. Forte on the open market would probably be too expensive, but I'd take a look. He's only 26.

I am not really sure what the third overall pick would get us that we need. Packaging the 3rd and 6th/7th picks are likely more than enough to go up and get Robert Griffin, but not likely enough to get Luck. So I would pass.

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Can I add a buy or sell?

Adrian Peterson won't be the same dominant running back after tearing his ACL/MCL.

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I wouldn't write off AP.

I could see him being a little "off" in 2012, but getting back pretty damn close to his prior self in 2013.

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Sell on DeSean Jackson. I can't figure out why we as fans have a "couple years and forget" mentality when it comes to free agents who are just big names looking for a payday. D.Jax, D.Bowe, I mean really why do we need to keep chasing big names from other teams instead of growing our own big names?

Sell on Matt Forte. Really? We get some good young talent here and now people are proposing ideas of bringing in big name running backs coming off horrible knee injuries?

Maybe on the Vikes thing. It depends on a few things really. First off, the Rams would have to have the #1 pick and be open to trading it. Second off, both Luck and RG3 would have to be available so we have a backup plan. Maybe then I think about getting the Vikes pick to probably be used as more ammo to move up.

And no on the Kyle S. to Chargers bs. We're not gonna get anywhere if we keep changing offensive coordinators. Why don't we give Kyle S. some talent at qb before we judge him?

And just in case 12th decides to do a buy or sell on AP, I'd say sell on that too. See #2 for reasoning.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870758]I would not make a competitive offer for any of the free agent receivers. I would either trade for a WR who fits our system, such as [B]Johnnie Knox[/B], or draft a receiver who fits our system. [/quote]

After that hit, I'm not sure if Knox will be the same again.

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[quote=skinsguy;870770]After that hit, I'm not sure if Knox will be the same again.[/quote]Granted, but a seven month offseason can do wonders.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870830]Granted, but a seven month offseason can do wonders.[/quote]

I hope so for Knox's sake. That hit was pretty brutal!

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[quote=Bucket;870645]You must play a lot of Madden because most of your posts are totally off the wall Snyderish.[/quote]

I have NEVER played even one moment of Madden.

These are not rumors I have started; these are rumors out there amongst NFL folks who are involved with the league and involved with covering the league.

I must admit that no one has ever before accused me of being "Snyderish". The fact that I said I would pass on going after two "flawed but very talented" players who might be on the trade/free agent market would argue that I am not being very "Snyderish"...

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[quote=12thMan;870646]C'mon man! Sell!

If Penn State doesn't make a serious run at someone like, say, Tony Dungy they are way off the mark and have failed their university on every level. They sorely need a figure that knows more than just X's and O's, someone who can restore the sense of broken trust between the school and the community and the sports world at large, frankly. A person that has instant street cred and would under no circumstances allow something like what just took place to happen on his watch. Few people come to mind who can balance going about the business of winning football games and remaking the program's severely damaged image

There are many good football coaches, but few good men the caliber of Tony Dungy who understands football and the delicate situation at hand right now at Penn State. I pray the board of trustees and the new president understand this.

As far as Kyle goes, eh, I think Mike will bring him back. It's one of those, the offense showed signs life late in the season things. Trust, I'm no fan of Kyle or Mike. And with at least 6 or 7 potential head coach openings Norv Turner will land another gig somewhere else. No way in hell he would come back to DC as an assistant?[/quote]


Latest word on the Penn State front is that the Search Committee has made its recommendations to the Board of Trustees. Speculation is that Mike Munchak (Titans' head coach) and Tom Clements (Packers QB coach) are near the top of the list. Tony Dungy would be a great hire for Penn State but I don't think he encouraged the Search Committee at all.

My suggestion about Norv coming to DC was pure wishful thinking. I know it won't happen - - but Norv is one fine OC and play-caller.

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[quote=#56fanatic;870686]Jackson is a stud (when he wants to play) but I would just stay away from that. He is basically the same version of Moss. I like what we have in that area right now with Paul, Hankerson coming on as the young guys. He just seems to be a big ego in the locker room and I think we should stear clear of that kind of personality.

No way I go for Forte. He is one of the best every down back in the NFL, but with Helu and Royster and possibly Hightower (i think he gets released) we have a good tandem plus they are only 1st year guys.

As far as the draft picks with Minnesota, that may be the only option you pose that is realistic. RGIII will be available at that position in the draft. If that is a possibility, I think we'll get him. They like a mobile QB that can move around the pocket, perform the rollouts, so I think he is a good possibility.

As far as Kyle goes, no. We need to keep some continuity in Ashburn. He is a good offensive coordinator. It takes time people, plus it takes the horses. And we are missing the biggest horse needed to run this offense.....the QB. the offense is leaps better than last year. THe last month or month 1/2 have been a very productive period. Avg about 20+ points a game, yardage is up there, running game is up there. Just keep this ship moving in the right direction. Bringing in a different OC or DC diverts the ship and that is what we DO NOT NEED. THere is marked improvement on both sides of the ball, and more importantly the improvement has been brought on by the youth movement in DC. Oline is younger, receivers are younger, RB's are rookies. We are going in the right direction, just have some patience.[/quote]


We disagree on two points.

1. DeSean Jackson is significantly better as a WR than Santana Moss was, is now or will be in the future. At the same time, Santana Moss is a significantly better teammate/locker room presence than DeSean Jackson was, is now or will be in the future.

Jackson is a better WR than anyone on the Redskins roster now and possibly for the last decade. He is also a pain in the butt.

My calculus is that he is not worth the trouble he could bring to a young team here - - not that Santana Moss is as good as he is and the Skins do not need a lot of help at WR.

2. The goal of continuity on the team is a good one but when something isn't working you make a change - - by definition that is a break in continuity - - hoping for improvement. If you REALLY want continuity, then the QBs next year will be Grossman and Beck and we can let them grow into the job... The offense needs a lot of improvement - - meaning changes meaning lack of continuity. I am all in favor of upgrading the talent on the field; the team needs it. I am also in favor of upgrading the talent on the sidelines; the team needs that too.

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[quote=12thMan;870646]C'mon man! Sell!

If Penn State doesn't make a serious run at someone like, say, Tony Dungy they are way off the mark and have failed their university on every level. [B]They sorely need a figure that knows more than just X's and O's, someone who can restore the sense of broken trust between the school and the community and the sports world at large, frankly. A person that has instant street cred and would under no circumstances allow something like what just took place to happen on his watch. Few people come to mind who can balance going about the business of winning football games and remaking the program's severely damaged image[/B]

There are many good football coaches, but few good men the caliber of Tony Dungy who understands football and the delicate situation at hand right now at Penn State. I pray the board of trustees and the new president understand this.

As far as Kyle goes, eh, I think Mike will bring him back. It's one of those, the offense showed signs life late in the season things. Trust, I'm no fan of Kyle or Mike. And with at least 6 or 7 potential head coach openings Norv Turner will land another gig somewhere else. No way in hell he would come back to DC as an assistant?[/quote]

I recommend the triad of The Pope, Mike Ditka and Stone Cold Steve Austin..............

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No go on Jackson; too much baggage.

No on Forte! I would prefer a run at Rice, Benson, or Hillis if going after a top-notch FA running back. Would also rate Grant and Lynch ahead of Forte at this point. Maybe even go after a guy like Derrick Ward to add quality depth without using too much cap space. I favor all these options ahead of Forte. Don't like buying damaged goods.

No on trading up. Redskins still need additional depth and can't really affford to give up extra draft picks.

Keep Shanahan and forget Turner. I don't believe Turner would return to Washington even for the head coaching position.

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[quote=12thMan;870764]Can I add a buy or sell?

Adrian Peterson won't be the same dominant running back after tearing his ACL/MCL.[/quote]

I always vote sell on damaged goods. The NFL is a young man's game and running back is a healty young man's position.

Helu & Royster > Forte & Petersen, IMHO

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[quote=redskin29633;870988]I always vote sell on damaged goods. The NFL is a young man's game and running back is a healty young man's position.

Helu & Royster > Forte & Pteresen, IMHO[/quote]

I agree with your statement, but in this case ill take Forte and Peterson on the Skins and watch them dominate the poor tackling defenses of Dallas, Philly and the Giants.