Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

I know a lot of people love Orakpo and probably think I'm crazy for suggesting we trade him. I like the guy a lot too, but it's obvious that he doesn't fit the 3-4 as well as he fits the 4-3. His production has decline each year mainly because he's playing out of position. He's more a 4-3 de than a 3-4 olb. I would consider trading him to move up and acquire a higher pick or more picks. Right now, he has a lot of value.

In my opinion, Trent Williams is a average LT. He has had some good games here and there. I just believe that Smith has outperformed him against some really tough competition. This makes TW expendable in my book. If we can trade him and get some picks or use him as bait to move up in the draft I would be all for it.

What do you think?

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Orakpo yes.
TW yes, But I don't think teams want a pot smoker right now.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870942]Orakpo yes.
TW yes, But I don't think teams want a pot smoker right now.[/quote] What do you think we could get for them?

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Orakpo, maybe a first definitely a second and either another second or a third.

Williams, pre-pot a 2nd and 4th, post-pot 3rd.

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funny how fast some of us turn on our own guys... Just last year we were all excited for Brian and Trent now we want to trade 2 of our VERY FEW stud players away.. Come on guys

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Well, my gues is TW is worth a third or fourth at this point, and Orakpo, a second or third. Now if it gets us Luck or Bradford, I would be in. But this starts the rebuilding all over.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;870953]funny how fast some of us turn on our own guys... Just last year we were all excited for Brian and Trent now we want to trade 2 of our VERY FEW stud players away.. Come on guys[/quote] I'm not turning on anyone. I just don't think Orakpo fit our defensive system. I would be better for him and the organization to make a trade where he can play in a system that fits his skill set and we get a get a olb that fits ours. I never really liked Trent Williams. I think he has the potential to be a all pro ot, however, he hasn't shown me much on the field. I would trade him in a heart beat.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870956]Well, my gues is TW is worth a third or fourth at this point, and Orakpo, a second or third. Now if it gets us Luck or Bradford, I would be in. But this starts the rebuilding all over.[/quote]
Losing Rak might set us back a little bit, but losing TW really won't mean much. The way I see it the OL has looked a lot better without him and Jamal Brown.

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We have already been discussing this:

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/45886-what-is-andrew-luck-worth-5.html#post870719"]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/45886-what-is-andrew-luck-worth-5.html#post870719[/URL]

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=skinsguy;870960]We have already been discussing this:

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/45886-what-is-andrew-luck-worth-5.html#post870719"]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/45886-what-is-andrew-luck-worth-5.html#post870719[/URL][/quote]

New thread on it is fine, probably got buried in the Luck thread anyway.

Those who read that thread already know my thoughts

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=Landry44;870958]Losing Rak might set us back a little bit, but losing TW really won't mean much. The way I see it the OL has looked a lot better without him and Jamal Brown.[/quote]
I like what Willie Smith has doine so far also, but itt has only been three games and I think allot of what happened was helped by scheme. He spent a tonn of time get blown backwards. I think he needs to do a little more before we crown him. I remember feeling the same way about Stephan Heyer.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870965]I like what Willie Smith has doine so far also, but itt has only been three games and I think allot of what happened was helped by scheme. He spent a tonn of time get blown backwards. I think he needs to do a little more before we crown him. I remember feeling the same way about Stephan Heyer.[/quote]
Maybe you're right brother. I'm just not sold on TW. I think Willie Smith has done a better job so far.

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Rak is fine at OLB in the 3-4 and has improved each year, even though his sack total is slightly down this year. He's still on pace for career highs in other areas including tackles, forced fumbles, and passes defensed.

I wouldn't deal him unless it was a worthwhile deal.

Smith has played ok but I think it's pretty premature to say he's made Trent Williams expendable.

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Way too early to be crowning Willie Smith. If we were to trade TW we would have to make sure to add top notch LT talent from the draft or FA. Otherwise the trade would be a step backwards.

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Unless we are getting a franchise QB or Luck in return for one of the two. Trading both for just picks is retarded.

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I think you also have to look at how difficult it is to rebuild a defense verses rebuilding an offense. Seems like for the past few season, before Orakpo and Kerrigan, we were talking about how the Redskins could never find their present day Charles Mann and Dexter Manley. But, we have been talking for years (long before there was ever a warpath.net) about how the franchise quarterback has eluded the Redskins.

You don't want to lose a Brian Orakpo if you can help it. At the same time, I believe it's easier to find a worthy replacement for him than it is finding that franchise quarterback. So, as much as I love Rak and think him and Kerrigan can have some great years with the Redskins, I would be willing to part with him ONLY if it meant getting Andrew Luck or Sam Bradford (assuming the Rams get the #1 pick.)

I hope Smith is a great tackle but saying he's done a better job than TW is kind of crazy bro. I'm his biggest fan on here probably but this is even without blinders On

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[quote=Landry44;870941]In my opinion, Trent Williams is a average LT. He has had some good games here and there. I just believe that Smith has outperformed him against some really tough competition. This makes TW expendable in my book.[/quote]

Really? So our undrafted rookie off the street is already outperforming the #4 overall pick?? We must be really good evaluators of street talent or really bad drafters.

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Sorry pal, you don't just go trading LTs in this league unless you have a Chris Samuels in his prime waiting in the wings. You feel me?

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1) Trades like this rarely happen in the NFL. 2) Why would you trade TW, who you acquired using the 4th overall pick, for a couple of mid-day picks?? 3) This thread is retarded and I can't believe it has been given serious consideration for worthwhile discussion.

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I would trade Orakpo if it was part of the package to help land a franchise QB. I think he is one of the few players we have that has high value and may even be a little over rated. not looking to move him but for a QB I would.

As for TW his value could not be lower after his suspension. And I completely disagree with the stance that he is an average LT. I think he was taking some strides towards being a very good LT this year. I do not want to trade him at all.

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Willie Smith is not the same caliber as TW. He is easier to beat than TW is to beat nor is he the stalwart in the run blocking department TW is.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;870990]Really? So our undrafted rookie off the street is already outperforming the #4 overall pick?? We must be really good evaluators of street talent or really bad drafters.[/quote]

Nah, pot makes you less a skilled player, objective measurables(what you see on tape) be damned. Intuition reigns supreme(even though Manley and Lawrence Taylor beg to differ about drugs affecting ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE).

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Yes, I would consider doing this.

However, both Williams and Orakpo are cornerstone players on this team, and I would expect at least a 2012 first round pick in return for just one of them. For both of them, we'd have to be getting something special.

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Orakpo is the better trade of the two because:

1) He'll be 26 next season
2) We're already woefully short on elite offensive talent
3) He's getting close to free agency

Again though, you wouldn't trade Orakpo for anything below a first round pick, so this discussion is moot anyway.

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No, this is silly. You don't trade your young talented players for picks. Some of us are so "pick" crazy. Hell, we just used picks to get these guys!! So the next young thing is better than two players who have a couple of years in our system and are core components of our building process? C'mon.

As for the notion that Smith has outplayed Williams, not really even close. The problem is that some of you/us expect Williams to be a perfect, flawless instant Hall of Famer and he's not. Maybe we can give him the equivalent of 2 whole seasons before we are ready to ship him off somewhere. Sure the drug thing was extremely moronic but if he stays clean he's a cornerstone of our rebuilding process.

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I think TW is being underestimated, but I also don't know where people are getting the impression we'd move either for just any picks

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I know the offseason is fast approaching when the madden trade schemes are own the rise.

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[quote=Landry44;870941]I know a lot of people love Orakpo and probably think I'm crazy for suggesting we trade him. I like the guy a lot too, but it's obvious that he doesn't fit the 3-4 as well as he fits the 4-3. His production has decline each year mainly because he's playing out of position. He's more a 4-3 de than a 3-4 olb. I would consider trading him to move up and acquire a higher pick or more picks. Right now, he has a lot of value.

In my opinion, Trent Williams is a average LT. He has had some good games here and there. I just believe that Smith has outperformed him against some really tough competition. This makes TW expendable in my book. If we can trade him and get some picks or use him as bait to move up in the draft I would be all for it.

What do you think?[/quote]

My first reaction is no way, but giving it some thought, I would consider trading Williams. I know good offensive linemen are very difficult to find, but in Trent's case, I believe he is overpriced. We pay him considerably more than his worth as a player. It might be worth considering if you could make a good deal, but no way I give him up for just a third round pick. Pot smoking aside, he's worth more than that. That said, the Redskins could make better use of his huge salary cap chunk than the value we receive from his play now. Maybe we could find a taker and speed up the rebuilding process if we get a good deal.

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[quote=chico23231;870970]unless we are getting a franchise qb or luck in return for one of the two. Trading both for just picks is retarded.[/quote]
retarded!!!!!

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[quote=Bushead;871017]I know the offseason is fast approaching when the madden trade schemes are own the rise.[/quote]

This. So much this.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870949]Orakpo, maybe a first definitely a second and either another second or a third.

Williams, pre-pot a 2nd and 4th, post-pot 3rd.[/quote]

You're crazy. The asking price for a franchise LT has been set as a late first round pick. As seen in the Jason Peters trade.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871022]You're crazy. The asking price for a franchise LT has been set as a late first round pick. As seen in the Jason Peters trade.[/quote]

Now account for pot smoking (-1 or -2 rounds) and you get as the other poster suggested a 2nd to 4th round for TW. :)

Some on here must b smoking what Trent has to think Willie Smith is better than him
Do u guys watch football

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[quote=SBXVII;871023]Now account for pot smoking (-1 or -2 rounds) and you get as the other poster suggested a 2nd to 4th round for TW. :)[/quote]

4th rounders average out to special teamers or solid starters with little potential to even make the Pro-Bowl. You'd be ****ing stupid to give out a 4th.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;871027]4th rounders average out to special teamers or solid starters with little potential to even make the Pro-Bowl. You'd be ****ing stupid to give out a 4th.[/quote]

This.

You don't accept less than a first for Rak. You don't accept less than a high second plus something else valuable for TW, and that's including the weed-smoking discount.

Trading TW and/or Rak for someone like Luck is one thing. But it is baffling how some folks in this thread want to give away our best players for almost nothing.

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[quote=SBXVII;871023]Now account for pot smoking (-1 or -2 rounds) and you get as the other poster suggested a 2nd to 4th round for TW. :)[/quote]

Talent would win out over concerns of marijuana use. The Redskins wouldn't be trying to send a message like the Steelers did with Santonio Holmes. If they were to trade Trent in the near future they would try to get full value which as I mentioned before would amount to a late first early 2nd. Of course all of this trade talk is a moot point .

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871032]Talent would win out over concerns of marijuana use. The Redskins wouldn't be trying to send a message like the Steelers did with Santonio Holmes. If they were to trade Trent in the near future they would try to get full value which as I mentioned before would amount to a late first early 2nd. Of course all of this trade talk is a moot point .[/quote]

Well, it's also easier when the then-#3 WR was Mike Wallace and they banked on him being capable of becoming a #1 for them. ;)

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Trent Williams was a top 5 pick under the old system, and only 2 years into his deal. Were we to trade him, we would have to pay his entire bonus, and lose that cap space. Even if he doesnt play, I think we cant afford to move him anytime soon. Plus he is one failed drug test away from being suspended for a season, so I would be incredibly surprised if anyone offered much of anything for him. Finally, this is an O-line rich draft. Teams can just use their picks on players that are not subject to suspension.

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[quote=Lotus;871031]This.

You don't accept less than a first for Rak. You don't accept less than a high second plus something else valuable for TW, and that's including the weed-smoking discount.

Trading TW and/or Rak for someone like Luck is one thing. But it is baffling how some folks in this thread want to give away our best players for almost nothing.[/quote]

I think you'd be stupid to trade Rak for anything. He is one of the cornerstones of this team. Nope.