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In the article that is posted on the left part of the screen, entitled Redskins Notes, Shannahan Confident about Return, by the Washington Examiner, the author indicates that Shannahan most likely will be making coaching changes himself, which may start on Monday.

My question, who do you think is getting the axe? Let's not make this a Kill Kyle thread, we all know Kyle is hear to stay and to be honest, the offense has improved from last season.

I don't see Haslett going any where nor do I see Danny Smith going any where....

Thoughts?

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Kyle stays.

JH [I]could[/I] get the axe if they feel a stronger candidate is out there, but I still think he stays.

I think any changes will be minor, a few assistants moving on perhaps.

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[quote=mmil12;871162]In the article that is posted on the left part of the screen, entitled Redskins Notes, Shannahan Confident about Return, by the Washington Examiner, the author indicates that Shannahan most likely will be making coaching changes himself, which may start on Monday.

My question, who do you think is getting the axe? Let's not make this a Kill Kyle thread, we all know Kyle is hear to stay and to be honest, the offense has improved from last season.

I don't see Haslett going any where nor do I see Danny Smith going any where....

Thoughts?[/quote]

I think Haslett is the most likely of the three of being axid.

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Of the big 3, most likely Danny Smith. I know (well, I've heard) that he and Mike Shanahan haven't been on the same page a lot these past two years.

But I would think he stays. If any changes are made, they are probably at the lower levels

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If JH gets the axe you would have to axe KS in my opinion, and that ain't happening so it will probably be some assistant coach's. I'm not a fan of JH but unless there's a better DC out there, you have to give him time.

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I could see Haslett going, but Mike recruitted him to come and if he keeps talking about time, he has to give Haslett time too. I'm not super impressed with him, but the defense is better than it was last year by leaps and bounds. Although, there is still alot of work to be done, especially in the secondary.

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JH stays. His Defense is respectable and if a couple of gaping holes can be filled, most importantly in our secondary....it may be great.

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Agree, the definitely need another top notch corner. Safety is also weak.

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[quote=SmootSmack;871166]Of the big 3, most likely Danny Smith. I know (well, I've heard) that he and Mike Shanahan haven't been on the same page a lot these past two years.

But I would think he stays. If any changes are made, they are probably at the lower levels[/quote]

I know we b*tch (well I) about our special teams play. But our coverage teams are quietly some of the best in the league. Danny Smith would be a bad loss, even though ive been very critical. If he goes, he wont be outta work too long.

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Continuity...Continuity...Continuity! Coaching is not our problem...

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[quote=celts32;871180]Continuity...Continuity...Continuity! Coaching is not our problem...[/quote]
YOU ARE CORRECT!
Continous flux in the coaching staff and.....subsequent schemes will never be the answer. THIS coaching team (or at least the core of it) can get this done AND WILL!
HTTR......

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Danny Smiths firing is long overdue.

Different players, different coaches, same crappy results.

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[quote=SmootSmack;871166]Of the big 3, most likely Danny Smith. I know (well, I've heard) that he and Mike Shanahan haven't been on the same page a lot these past two years.

But I would think he stays. If any changes are made, they are probably at the lower levels[/quote]

I'd support this move. He's been on my radar for awhile and I haven't been able to figure out what he's good at.

Both offensive and defensive units have improved in most major categories and the team has two years into each system. It would be foolish to desire or anticipate a change on either side of the ball.

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[quote=mmil12;871173]Agree, the definitely need another top notch corner. Safety is also weak.[/quote]

Another? We need A corner.

I I don't think any of the significant guys deserve to go yet. 3 year minimum to get the right pieces. But if say Haslett goes, please, oh please lord, don't go get a guy that runs a 4/3 and set us back two more years.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;871197]I I don't think any of the significant guys deserve to go yet. 3 year minimum to get the right pieces. [B]But if say Haslett goes, please, oh please lord, don't go get a guy that runs a 4/3 and set us back two more years.[/B][/quote]
As long as Shanny is here we are running a 3-4. That's why he brought Haslett here in the first place. He's not going anywhere.

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I don't think you guys are looking at this the right way ,....if JH goes it might be for another job ....not that he's getting the ax.He has HC experience and there might be offers out there he is interested in.

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I can't agree any stronger with the need for consistency on this team. Of Shanny said give years let's give it five years. If anyone needs a change in coaching its the giants!

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[quote=mmil12;871334]I can't agree any stronger with the need for consistency on this team. Of Shanny said give years let's give it five years. If anyone needs a change in coaching its the giants![/quote]

Why?

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Tom is a good coach, don't get me wrong, but it seems that since the super bowl year the team does the same exact thing year after years...they never hit it big with a 12 win season. It always seems as though they either collapse at the end of the year or just pull it out. If you ask me, Tom is coaching for his job on Sunday.

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[quote=Mattyk;871163]Kyle stays.

JH [I]could[/I] get the axe if they feel a stronger candidate is out there, but I still think he stays.

I think any changes will be minor, a few assistants moving on perhaps.[/quote]

I agree, the only thing worse than the Skins lack of talent is their lack of continuity. This organization will never be successful until they give people more than 3 or 4 years in a job. Successful organizations dont turn over coaches every few years.

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I'd agree to pork Rosie O'Donnel if we got rid of Kyle.

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[quote=mmil12;871350]Tom is a good coach, don't get me wrong, but it seems that since the super bowl year the team does the same exact thing year after years...they never hit it big with a 12 win season. It always seems as though they either collapse at the end of the year or just pull it out. If you ask me, Tom is coaching for his job on Sunday.[/quote]

Just so I understand this ...you want Shannahan to have 5 years(not a winning one in his first 3) ,yet Coughlin has'nt had a losing season ...except his very first with the Giants ....and you think we need a new coach.As I have stated before I was not a big supporter of TC but I believe this year might be his best coaching job yet between injuries and personel turnover.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;871355]I'd agree to pork Rosie O'Donnel if we got rid of Kyle.[/quote]

out of celebration? Ill take Rashida Jones and go back for second helpings

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[quote=Alvin Walton;871355]I'd agree to pork Rosie O'Donnel if we got rid of Kyle.[/quote]

Two words of caution for you: strap-on.

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My guess.....

Matt LaFleur QB's coach. Why? because.... bum, bum baaaaaaaa

the team has learned P.Manning won't play next year because the team is going to take Luck. On top of that he knows it's risky for him to play with his neck not being 100% so he's decided to take on a coaching job in order to stay close to football.

So the team is cutting Lafleur and bringing in a master mind at QB to coach up whoever we draft or bring in.

Taa Daa.

Seriously.... I have no idea. But it sounded good. Maybe it's a better OL coach?

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[quote=Giantone;871211]I don't think you guys are looking at this the right way ,....if JH goes it might be for another job ....not that he's getting the ax.He has HC experience and there might be offers out there he is interested in.[/quote]

Wait... your saying some team out there is interested in Haslett? with Gruden and many others out there who should be taken first? ... or is Gruden waiting for the Giants position to open up?

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[quote=SBXVII;871364]Wait... your saying some team out there is interested in Haslett? with Gruden and many others out there who should be taken first? ... or is Gruden waiting for the Giants position to open up?[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82591c5c/article/gruden-insists-hes-staying-with-espn-as-mnf-analyst?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Gruden insists he's staying with ESPN as 'MNF' analyst[/url]

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They have a solid Monday Night team. He LOOKS like he is having a good time. I am sure he enjoys the Sub-hundred hour weeks as well.....

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[quote=Giantone;871356]Just so I understand this ...you want Shannahan to have 5 years(not a winning one in his first 3) ,yet Coughlin has'nt had a losing season ...except his very first with the Giants ....and you think we need a new coach.As I have stated before I was not a big supporter of TC but I believe this year might be his best coaching job yet between injuries and personel turnover.[/quote]


Umm, outside of NY-ville many rumors are cough, cough, Coughlin's job is on the line. Honestly I wouldn't get rid of him cause I think he has done a decent job in NY, maybe not recently but he's doing the best he can with what he has. It still is better then what the Skins have.

But to answer your question? yes. MS should be given his whole 5 yrs cause Cerrato had 10 yrs to make it what it is now so giving a HC 5 yrs to fix what our old GM took 10 yrs to ruin is not uncalled for. Besides, the longer your in ruin the longer it will take to fix the problem. The Giants were not in too bad a shape prior to Coughlin so when he came in he didn't have to do too much to right the ship. Shanahan has basically had to "rebuild" even though he has denied wishing to use the "rebuild" word.

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Aha, I've figured it out. MS is going to take J.Haslett and make him the OC, and he's going to take his son KS and make him the DC in hopes it works out so he can rub it in Andy Reids face next year? ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;871368]Umm, outside of NY-ville many rumors are cough, cough, Coughlin's job is on the line. Honestly I wouldn't get rid of him cause I think he has done a decent job in NY, maybe not recently but he's doing the best he can with what he has. It still is better then what the Skins have.

But to answer your question? yes. MS should be given his whole 5 yrs cause Cerrato had 10 yrs to make it what it is now so giving a HC 5 yrs to fix what our old GM took 10 yrs to ruin is not uncalled for. Besides, the longer your in ruin the longer it will take to fix the problem. The Giants were not in too bad a shape prior to Coughlin so when he came in he didn't have to do too much to right the ship. Shanahan has basically had to "rebuild" even though he has denied wishing to use the "rebuild" word.[/quote]Vinny Cerrato was a high ranking official on the Redskins for a long time and had his hand in the cookie jar for moves being made way back in 2000. But if the topic is executive authority, Mike Shanahan has actually now exceeded Cerrato in the amount of weeks he had total control of the roster.

Unless the argument is that Vinny was ruining the Redskins while subservient to Joe Gibbs, in which case, I guess I don't understand the point.

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[quote=SBXVII;871368]Umm, outside of NY-ville many rumors are cough, cough, Coughlin's job is on the line. Honestly I wouldn't get rid of him cause I think he has done a decent job in NY, maybe not recently but he's doing the best he can with what he has. It still is better then what the Skins have.

But to answer your question? yes. MS should be given his whole 5 yrs cause Cerrato had 10 yrs to make it what it is now so giving a HC 5 yrs to fix what our old GM took 10 yrs to ruin is not uncalled for. Besides, the longer your in ruin the longer it will take to fix the problem. The Giants were not in too bad a shape prior to Coughlin so when he came in he didn't have to do too much to right the ship. [B]Shanahan has basically had to "rebuild" even though he has denied wishing to use the "rebuild" word.[/B][/quote]

Shanahan chose to rebuild when he blew up a solid defense and totally screwed himself at QB. He hasn't even climbed himself out of the whole he dug because the defense is no better than the one he inherited and the QB situation is worse than what he inherited.

If Mike was truly being evaluated for his performance over the last two years he's 1) the worst HC over the two year period to NOT be fired and 2) the HC most responsible for his team's failures.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871373]Vinny Cerrato was a high ranking official on the Redskins for a long time and had his hand in the cookie jar for moves being made way back in 2000. But if the topic is executive authority, Mike Shanahan has actually now exceeded Cerrato in the amount of weeks he had total control of the roster.

Unless the argument is that Vinny was ruining the Redskins while subservient to Joe Gibbs, in which case, I guess I don't understand the point.[/quote]

No the arguement is Cerrato had his hand in everything and when he felt he was losing control he underminded the very people who tried to take the control. I have no doubt Cerrato's decisions as DS's best friend/#2 ran this team into the ground with his decision making. 10 yrs of it. It's going to take more then 2 yrs to fix that.

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[quote=The Goat;871380]Shanahan chose to rebuild when he blew up a solid defense and totally screwed himself at QB. He hasn't even climbed himself out of the whole he dug because the defense is no better than the one he inherited and the QB situation is worse than what he inherited.

If Mike was truly being evaluated for his performance over the last two years he's 1) the worst HC over the two year period to NOT be fired and 2) the HC most responsible for his team's failures.[/quote]

Well when you make a complete overhaul of the offense and defense then yes your gunna suck for a couple of yrs until you get all the pieces to fix the puzzle. MS wanted a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with that, heck I like the 3-4. But Haslett needed to get all the pieces which he didn't have the first year which is why they sucked. This year the defense has looked a lot better and next year with Jarvis returning and maybe some more puzzle pieces the defense will rock.

Offensively I like the scheme, I like the starters, I like the back ups who have done admirably filling in, and basically think we need a QB, and WR and maybe 1 or 2 OL. I guess I'm just a positive person and seem to get let down each year but I'm always ... maybe next year.

On a side note I was looking at the magazine rack recently wishing the draft magazine's and the other NFL magazines were out. lol. Pretty bad that I get all hyped up more for the magazines at this point. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;871389]Well when you make a complete overhaul of the offense and defense then yes your gunna suck for a couple of yrs until you get all the pieces to fix the puzzle. MS wanted a 3-4 defense. I have no problem with that, heck I like the 3-4. But Haslett needed to get all the pieces which he didn't have the first year which is why they sucked. This year the defense has looked a lot better and next year with Jarvis returning and maybe some more puzzle pieces the defense will rock.

Offensively I like the scheme, I like the starters, I like the back ups who have done admirably filling in, and basically think we need a QB, and WR and maybe 1 or 2 OL.[B] I guess I'm just a positive person[/B] and seem to get let down each year but I'm always ... maybe next year.

On a side note I was looking at the magazine rack recently wishing the draft magazine's and the other NFL magazines were out. lol. Pretty bad that I get all hyped up more for the magazines at this point. lol.[/quote]
Maybe your just.....correct?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;871355]I'd agree to pork Rosie O'Donnel if we got rid of Kyle.[/quote]

Why would you need something to get at that fine piece of Crisco?

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[quote=SBXVII;871368]Umm, outside of NY-ville many rumors are cough, cough, Coughlin's job is on the line.[/quote]


I am outside as you say "NY ville" but what people fail to understand the Giants job is TC's till ...he decides to leave.I like Fisher and Cowher....I'd love to have Spaggs back but TC is the HC till he decides to move on.

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If anyone thinks the rumor mill on Coughlin is intense outside of NY, you have no idea what it's like inside.

He's almost always on the hotseat year in and year out. What else is new.

My friends in Tampa are saying there are rumors spreading fast of a Jeff fisher hiring by next week