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So in response to the Andrew Luck thread, What if any thing are you willing to give up to get RG3?

I like RG3 and think he could be a star at the next level, but with that said, I don't think he is worth trading away any future 1st round picks for. He is worth a high pick based on potential, not current performance.

He could prove to be better prospect thorough the draft process but as of now I wont give more than 2012 1st and 4th to trade up for him.

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[quote=SkinItup;871254]So in response to the Andrew Luck thread, What if any thing are you willing to give up to get RG3?

I like RG3 and think he could be a star at the next level, but with that said, I don't think he is worth trading away any future 1st round picks for. He is worth a high pick based on potential, not current performance.

He could prove to be better prospect thorough the draft process but as of now I wont give more than 2012 1st and 4th to trade up for him.[/quote]

But unless the Redskins change their offense to fit his style of play, which I do not believe they will do, is it worth giving up that much for a player who may not even been the best possible choice at QB for the offensive system we run? I don't think so.

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Hey listen, the QB position is very, very deep this draft. If RG III is gone by the time our pick comes we have plenty of guys there to still consider. I think this stuff about focusing on one guy as our savior is a big mistake. An even bigger one is giving up draft picks for a guy who may be a bust in the NFL, and that goes for any QB prospect, including Luck. We are very lean depthwise on defense and linemen. Giving up picks to fill those needs is dumb. Luck or RG III or whomever we land is going to suck if our line isn't upgraded.

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[quote=SkinItup;871254]So in response to the Andrew Luck thread, What if any thing are you willing to give up to get RG3?

I like RG3 and think he could be a star at the next level, but with that said, I don't think he is worth trading away any future 1st round picks for. He is worth a high pick based on potential, not current performance.

He could prove to be better prospect thorough the draft process but as of now I wont give more than 2012 1st and 4th to trade up for him.[/quote]

I would give up nothing to get him. Redskins should dump Beck, notwithstanding the $1,000,000 we owe him for 2012. We should re-sign Grossman; also sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or another comparable FA QB. Let Grossman and Hoyer/Quinn/Henne compete for the starting job. That strategy should result in improved play at the QB position. Then get the best QB we can when our turn comes in the draft and groom him for the future. The goal should be to make the team better, and by making the QB position better that will happen. We could all wait "forever" for the next franchise QB; there are no guarantees that RGIII, or even Luck, would be that special guy. Just get better at QB and continue improving the team is the best strategy.

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RG3 isn't worth but maybe a third and possibly a fourth from where we'll be drafting and where he'll be going (maybe a future 2nd). But he isn't the can't miss prospect that Andrew Luck is. Andrew Luck has been talked about for almost 3 years now; RG3 just got talked about this year, as a possible top 15 pick. He's a great player, but athletes like RG3 come out from year to year, QB's with great size, intelligence, speed, system like luck don't come out but once every 25 years.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;871270]Hey listen, the QB position is very, very deep this draft. If RG III is gone by the time our pick comes we have plenty of guys there to still consider.[/quote]

i disagree. i do not think there is much top-end talent at qb in this draft. landry jones had a very bad end to the season and may not come out this year. RG3 may not even come out. at this point, there may only be 2 1st round qbs assuming RG3 comes out. thats not depth. if we miss on luck and rg3, we will likely be waiting til round 2 to get a qb, and tannehill doesnt wow me either. foles could be an option but again not much of a wow prospect either.

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If we have the ability to jump a couple spots ahead of Cleveland to get him, by all means do it. Tremendous upside and ability. send a 3rd to Jacksonville for a couple spots and nab him

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Real tough decision but this organization needs a player to get the fans excited again. Right now the excitment level for this team is at an all time low. Fans from opposing teams invade our stadium, a lot of the fans just don't care anymore. As an older fan, to me that's sad. If RG3 has the potential to be a great player. He's raw, like Cam Newton, but so what? Design an offense around what he can do. I say draft him, coach him up and if you have to give up a high draft pick then so be it. I think Griffin is a better passer than Newton when he was coming out.

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[quote=redskin29633;871276]I would give up nothing to get him. Redskins should dump Beck, notwithstanding the $1,000,000 we owe him for 2012. We should re-sign Grossman; also sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or another comparable FA QB.[B] Let Grossman and Hoyer/Quinn/Henne compete for the starting job. [/B]That strategy should result in improved play at the QB position. Then get the best QB we can when our turn comes in the draft and groom him for the future. The goal should be to make the team better, and by making the QB position better that will happen. We could all wait "forever" for the next franchise QB; there are no guarantees that RGIII, or even Luck, would be that special guy. Just get better at QB and continue improving the team is the best strategy.[/quote]

Are you serious? Brady Quinn? He can't even beat out Orton. Henne? Average. You want to see more of Grossman and his 2-3 turnovers a game? Hoyer is unknown. We need a baller.

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For this franchise to move forward we need a quality quarterback. Whether its RGIII or Luck the trigger needs to be pulled in the draft.

I think if we have to move up for RGIII the trade should be similar to the Jaguars trade for Blaine Gabbert.

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it won't matter if RG3 stays at baylor.

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[quote=skinsfan57;871330]it won't matter if RG3 stays at baylor.[/quote]

What kinda unecessary ass obvious statement is this?

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[quote=skinsfan69;871302]Are you serious? Brady Quinn? He can't even beat out Orton. Henne? Average. You want to see more of Grossman and his 2-3 turnovers a game? Hoyer is unknown. We need a baller.[/quote]

Brady DID beat out Orton, thats why he is currently a Bronco and Orton is not.

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[quote=Carnage;871335]Brady DID beat out Orton, thats why he is currently a Bronco and Orton is not.[/quote]

You sure that's why Orton isn't in Denver??

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[quote=skinsfan69;871300]Real tough decision but this organization needs a player to get the fans excited again. Right now the excitment level for this team is at an all time low. Fans from opposing teams invade our stadium, a lot of the fans just don't care anymore. As an older fan, to me that's sad. If RG3 has the potential to be a great player. He's raw, like Cam Newton, but so what? Design an offense around what he can do. I say draft him, coach him up and if you have to give up a high draft pick then so be it. I think Griffin is a better passer than Newton when he was coming out.[/quote]


I like where you are coming from. He definitely would help excite the fan base at first.

He just is such a risk to give up too much for him. He can pass the ball well but he doesn't have to read D much and rarely snaps from under the center.

As I said, he might be able to prove to be a better prospect thru the draft process. If he falls to where we pick great but otherwise no reason to give several picks to move up to get him. Better to do like last year and stock up some more early round picks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;871270]Hey listen, the QB position is very, very deep this draft. If RG III is gone by the time our pick comes we have plenty of guys there to still consider. I think this stuff about focusing on one guy as our savior is a big mistake. An even bigger one is giving up draft picks for a guy who may be a bust in the NFL, and that goes for any QB prospect, including Luck. We are very lean depthwise on defense and linemen. Giving up picks to fill those needs is dumb. Luck or RG III or whomever we land is going to suck if our line isn't upgraded.[/quote]

I feel you Gus' but, the depth of quality QBs in any draft, in any round is scarce. Luck, RGIII, Jones, or Tannehill may not even turn out to be the QB-star of the draft. So, in my oinion it's not worth giving up too much to get any one player. Sure, if the Skins nee to manuver up with their second pick or down with their first pick that's understandable

Just saw on ESPN ticker RG III to come out. SORRY NO LINK

RG III's mom aka 30Gut must be overwhelmed with joy.

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7410307/heisman-winner-robert-griffin-iii-baylor-bears-enter-nfl-draft-sources-say[/url]

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very good news.

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[quote=SkinzWin;871266]But unless the Redskins change their offense to fit his style of play, which I do not believe they will do, is it worth giving up that much for a player who may not even been the best possible choice at QB for the offensive system we run? I don't think so.[/quote]
What makes you think that we would have to change our scheme to fit his skill set? He he's smart, mobile, and accurate with short, intermediate, and deep passes. What exactly would we have to change?

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I think the redskins are in good shape to draft RGIII if he comes out.they will pick #6 and other than Luck going #1 to colts,the other teams ahead of us don't need a QB.:food-smil

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[quote=skinsfan57;871784]I think the redskins are in good shape to draft RGIII if he comes out.they will pick #6 and other than Luck going #1 to colts,the other teams ahead of us don't need a QB.:food-smil[/quote]

Please remember other teams can trade up and the browns might be looking for a QB.

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I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III. Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? Put a solid line behind him! Like I said before, too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;871808]I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III. Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? Put a solid line behind him! Like I said before, [B]too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.[/B][/quote]

who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.

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[quote=Big C;871816]who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.[/quote]

I agree. Not very excited about any qbs in this draft. Flynn and Sanchez may be our best bets

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I think we should trade up to get griffin because the other QB's we have questions marks with (Foles, Tannehill, Jones) and I know we wouldn't just draft Kellen moore and stay sold on him alone (I would).

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[quote=SkinzWin;871266]But unless the Redskins change their offense to fit his style of play, which I do not believe they will do, is it worth giving up that much for a player who may not even been the best possible choice at QB for the offensive system we run? I don't think so.[/quote]

This right here says it all. I think RG III goes to a team that brings in a new offensive system at the same time, and one with a head coach/offensive coordinator who's willing to build that new offense around RG III's strengths. I don't think you have that in Washington.

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[quote=Big C;871816]who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.[/quote]

Landry Jones is declaring. Tannehill could also be a late first/early 2nd round pick and there have been whispers Redskins are interested in him.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;871808]I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. [B]We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III.[/B] Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? [B]Put a solid line behind him! [/B]Like I said before, too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.[/quote]

Math is your friend. We have the #6 pick, the highest we would need to get to is #2, that's 4 picks.

Also, why would you put a line behind the QB? Is this a new offense I'm unfamiliar with?

Ok, done messing with you.

That being said, I think you are forgetting about free agency. We can address 3 key positions in free agency-RT, WR, CB and still be flexible enough to make a move in the draft if we need to.

Realistically, the price will be similar to what the Giants gave up for Manning. Swap 1sts, send an additional 2nd and 4th plus next year 1st and 5th. Is it a lot? Sure it is. Is it worth it if he solves the QB position for the next decade? You bet your ass it is..

Here's the thing with the 'we can't afford to give up picks' argument. It doesn't matter how many picks you have or really where it is in the draft. It matters what you do with them. We saw Vinny squander 10 picks in 2008 that crippled this team. That should have been a foundation for the next 8 years, instead we have a tight end who is a joint away from a year suspension and that's it! Over the past 2 years we've picked 18 players and 12 will likely be contributing to the team for years. Because of that, we don't need a full draft class to come in and play, we can afford to make a move for a position of need.

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[quote=Paintrain;872393]Math is your friend. We have the #6 pick, the highest we would need to get to is #2, that's 4 picks.

Also, why would you put a line behind the QB? Is this a new offense I'm unfamiliar with?

Ok, done messing with you.

That being said, I think you are forgetting about free agency. [B]We can address 3 key positions in free agency[/B]-RT, WR, CB and still be flexible enough to make a move in the draft if we need to.

Realistically, the price will be similar to what the Giants gave up for Manning. Swap 1sts, send an additional 2nd and 4th plus next year 1st and 5th. Is it a lot? Sure it is. Is it worth it if he solves the QB position for the next decade? You bet your ass it is..

Here's the thing with the 'we can't afford to give up picks' argument. It doesn't matter how many picks you have or really where it is in the draft. It matters what you do with them. We saw Vinny squander 10 picks in 2008 that crippled this team. That should have been a foundation for the next 8 years, instead we have a tight end who is a joint away from a year suspension and that's it! Over the past 2 years we've picked 18 players and 12 will likely be contributing to the team for years. Because of that, we don't need a full draft class to come in and play, we can afford to make a move for a position of need.[/quote]

I'm hoping your joking here.

If not, let me grill you like I will grill everyone else on this board who suggest using FA in a rebuilding way.

You use Free Agency if you have quick-patch fixes on your team. You're never going to have continuity if your always bringing in new guys.

Free agency can also be cancerous to your team. Albert Haynesworth. He got paid and quit playing. Adam Archuleta. He got paid and became a bench player. Brandon Lloyd. He never scored a TD in his career with us. Dana Stublefield. OJ Atogwe. We paid him; he has now been benched.

Green Bay. Pittsburgh. New Orleans. New England. Baltimore. New York. Atlanta. Now Houston and Detroit. What do these teams have in common? They build their teams through the draft and are in the playoffs (with most of these teams in the playoffs year in and year out.

Do you know how many starters/big name FA's all 7 teams signed?
A Combined 8. That's an average of 1 per team, with Green Bay and Pitt signing 0.

Look back to 09. The saints were weak at one area, secondary. They went out and signed Darren Sharper and Jabarri Greer. That went from a weakness to a strength. Now their in the playoffs every year, cause they had a Quick Fix which could be done in FA. (They also didn't go out an get the Big name guys like Dawkins or Dunta Robinson.)

Baltimore for as long as I can remember, signs one Free Agent every year, so that they can maintain continuity.

Green Bay has every single starter on their offense Drafted by them. Not one single FA.

Philly this year pulled a Redskins signing Nnamdi, Cullen Jenkins, Steve Smith, Vince Young, Ronnie Brown, (and traded for DRC). How did that work?

Free Agency was made, like I said as a 'oh we need just a CB and a veteran WR that knows what he's doing.' No as a "we need a CB, RB, WR, QB, ILB, OT, OG, we can address as much of that as we can in FA and the rest in the draft since that comes after FA."


Now I understand you say we get just 3 positions in FA and the rest in the draft, but already thats 1 maybe 2 positions more than we need to get in Free Agency instead of the draft. This is that super bowl mentality of 'well we need these couple of positions in FA and the rest in the draft, then we'll be a better team.'

No we won't be better, we are about 13 positions away from becoming a 'contender'. So with that said, we need to go the old MAX of 2 Free Agents an offseason, and draft and develop what we got and evaluate what else we need the next offseason.


So, to summarize; Don't suggest we need to get more than 2 guys in FA relating back to old bad habbits, because that, in part is one of the reasons we're bad, and I'm just going to copy and paste this post to the next skins fan who 'truly' wants us to get better by us using an old bad habit of addressing multiple needs in FA, to 'solve' our problems.

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New Orleans and Houston got their QBs through free agency. If the team is going to go after Luck or even RG3, they will need to sacrifice picks and fill other holes through free agency. There's a big difference between Vinny's way of free agency and a normal GM's way. Aside from the boneheaded moves at QB, our front office has shown some good judgement in terms of free agency.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872419]I'm hoping your joking here.

If not, let me grill you like I will grill everyone else on this board who suggest using FA in a rebuilding way.

You use Free Agency if you have quick-patch fixes on your team. You're never going to have continuity if your always bringing in new guys.

Free agency can also be cancerous to your team. Albert Haynesworth. He got paid and quit playing. Adam Archuleta. He got paid and became a bench player. Brandon Lloyd. He never scored a TD in his career with us. Dana Stublefield. OJ Atogwe. We paid him; he has now been benched.

Green Bay. Pittsburgh. New Orleans. New England. Baltimore. New York. Atlanta. Now Houston and Detroit. What do these teams have in common? They build their teams through the draft and are in the playoffs (with most of these teams in the playoffs year in and year out.

Do you know how many starters/big name FA's all 7 teams signed?
A Combined 8. That's an average of 1 per team, with Green Bay and Pitt signing 0.

Look back to 09. The saints were weak at one area, secondary. They went out and signed Darren Sharper and Jabarri Greer. That went from a weakness to a strength. Now their in the playoffs every year, cause they had a Quick Fix which could be done in FA. (They also didn't go out an get the Big name guys like Dawkins or Dunta Robinson.)

Baltimore for as long as I can remember, signs one Free Agent every year, so that they can maintain continuity.

Green Bay has every single starter on their offense Drafted by them. Not one single FA.

Philly this year pulled a Redskins signing Nnamdi, Cullen Jenkins, Steve Smith, Vince Young, Ronnie Brown, (and traded for DRC). How did that work?

Free Agency was made, like I said as a 'oh we need just a CB and a veteran WR that knows what he's doing.' No as a "we need a CB, RB, WR, QB, ILB, OT, OG, we can address as much of that as we can in FA and the rest in the draft since that comes after FA."

Now I understand you say we get just 3 positions in FA and the rest in the draft, but already thats 1 maybe 2 positions more than we need to get in Free Agency instead of the draft. This is that super bowl mentality of 'well we need these couple of positions in FA and the rest in the draft, then we'll be a better team.'

No we won't be better, we are about 13 positions away from becoming a 'contender'. So with that said, we need to go the old MAX of 2 Free Agents an offseason, and draft and develop what we got and evaluate what else we need the next offseason.


So, to summarize; Don't suggest we need to get more than 2 guys in FA relating back to old bad habbits, because that, in part is one of the reasons we're bad, and I'm just going to copy and paste this post to the next skins fan who 'truly' wants us to get better by us using an old bad habit of addressing multiple needs in FA, to 'solve' our problems.[/quote]
Not joking at all, which is why if you read what I wrote, I specified three positions where FA can help us rather than saying we can spend boldly to address the laundry list of positional need you mentioned.

There is no one way to rebuild a team. The Steelers and Packers are bad examples because they didn't REBUILD, they already had outstanding bases of talent that they are building upon. But even they have players that originated on other teams (Woodson, Ryan Grant, Ryan Clark) as well. They used free agency, just better than we have.

Signing free agents isn't a bad thing. Signing the WRONG free agents is. The Haynesworth, Archuleta (really? still using this example) argument is just lazy and frankly dumb. How did London Fletcher get to the Redskins, free agency. You mentioned Atlanta, Michael Turner-free agent, John Abraham-free agent.

Just as Kerrigan was a great draft pick, Kelly and Thomas were awful picks. As I said before, it doesn't matter how many picks you have, it's what you do with them. Same as free agency. Doesn't matter if you do 1, 2, 6, 8, 22. If you do it well and better than anyone else you'll have success.

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[quote=Ruhskins;872438]New Orleans and Houston got their QBs through free agency. If the team is going to go after Luck or even RG3, they will need to sacrifice picks and fill other holes through free agency. There's a big difference between Vinny's way of free agency and a normal GM's way. Aside from the boneheaded moves at QB, our front office has shown some good judgement in terms of free agency.[/quote]

Not to be nit-picky, but Houston traded for Schaub, who was a guy who saw lots of playing time over the years, more than Matt Flynn has (not saying Flynns bad). And New Orleans signed a QB who was a starter for years, but suffered a injury. If Brees hadn't been injured, he probably would have been franchised and dealt. Point is that Brees's don't come out in free agency really ever or at all.

And our front office now is getting the hang of what to do FA wise and draft wise. Our old front office, with Vinny and Dan was not at all good with signing free agents. London Fletcher. Thats it. Guys like Haynesworth and Archuletta stick out a whole lot more than a great signing like London does.

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[quote=Paintrain;872444]Not joking at all, which is why if you read what I wrote, I specified three positions where FA can help us rather than saying we can spend boldly to address the laundry list of positional need you mentioned.

There is no one way to rebuild a team. [B]The Steelers and Packers are bad examples because they didn't REBUILD, they already had outstanding bases of talent that they are building upon.[/B] But even they have players that originated on other teams (Woodson, Ryan Grant, Ryan Clark) as well. They used free agency, just better than we have.

Signing free agents isn't a bad thing. Signing the WRONG free agents is. [B]The Haynesworth, Archuleta (really? still using this example) argument is just lazy and frankly dumb.[/B] How did London Fletcher get to the Redskins, free agency. [B]You mentioned Atlanta, Michael Turner-free agent, John Abraham-free agent.[/B]

Just as Kerrigan was a great draft pick, [B]Kelly and Thomas were awful picks.[/B] As I said before, it doesn't matter how many picks you have, it's what you do with them. Same as free agency. Doesn't matter if you do 1, 2, 6, 8, 22. If you do it well and better than anyone else you'll have success.[/quote]

1) And they had those bases, because they drafted well for years.
2) If you read my post, I said per season, not in the past 5-10 years.
3) You have too, especially if you hear names of headcase athletes like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson mentioned in other FA posts.
3) whole other regime.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872419]

Free agency can also be cancerous to your team. Albert Haynesworth. He got paid and quit playing. Adam Archuleta. He got paid and became a bench player. Brandon Lloyd. He never scored a TD in his career with us. Dana Stublefield. OJ Atogwe. We paid him; he has now been benched.

Green Bay. Pittsburgh. New Orleans. New England. Baltimore. New York. Atlanta. Now Houston and Detroit. What do these teams have in common? They build their teams through the draft and are in the playoffs (with most of these teams in the playoffs year in and year out.
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pittsburg drafted holmes in the 1st and gave him away for a 5th. how did jeff george work out? bad picks are bad picks whether they're in the draft or FA, so let's be careful about the drafting is the only option routine. detriot? really? the team that went 0-16 and will get bounced from th playoffs in 2 games with about 42 top 5 picks... that's the example? how'd joey harrington work out btw?

the saints built through the draft? you mean like when they signed drew brees as a FA and finally ended about 432 years of losing?

new england signs FAs/trades pretty consistently. moss, dillon, ocho, welker, branch, etc etc.

the other three do draft well and are mainly comprised of picks.

but this last year we signed otagwe, wilson, cofield, bowen to big deals and tons of smaller deals (gaffney etc - FAR more than your 2 FA limit), and guess what? they worked out (otagwe is a meh).

we need 4 players - OL, QB, CB, WR and we have 2 picks where we might be able to expect help this year, so at least 2 are going to be FA signings if we want some re-assurance they'll be filled.

QB and CB are the most expensive in FA cause there just isn't much there (flynn, grimes, rogers and that's almost it). I wouldn't mind signing any of those guys and/or a WR and/or grubbs... that's 0-4, but I'd say we need at least 2 and our picks to be competitive next year (and no i don't think we should expect to wait 3 more years for the playoffs).

this isn't cerrato handing out stupid contracts to bad players, so let's get over that. haynesworth and archuleta, lloyd, hall, etc were regarded as mistakes WHEN THEY WERE SIGNED. It was bad FO evaluation and the fans don't have any control over that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872448][B]Not to be nit-picky, but Houston traded for Schaub, who was a guy who saw lots of playing time over the years, more than Matt Flynn has (not saying Flynns bad). And New Orleans signed a QB who was a starter for years, but suffered a injury. If Brees hadn't been injured, he probably would have been franchised and dealt. Point is that Brees's don't come out in free agency really ever or at all.[/B]

And our front office now is getting the hang of what to do FA wise and draft wise. Our old front office, with Vinny and Dan was not at all good with signing free agents. London Fletcher. Thats it. Guys like Haynesworth and Archuletta stick out a whole lot more than a great signing like London does.[/quote]

They were still free agents...and they had their risks. As I said, I am all about building through the draft, but saying that you are not going to acquire players through free agency b/c of the bonehead moves of Vinny Cerrato is a bit naive. Personally, I want us to acquire our QB of the future through the draft.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872457]1) And they had those bases, because they drafted well for years.
2) If you read my post, I said per season, not in the past 5-10 years.
3) You have too, especially if you hear names of headcase athletes like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson mentioned in other FA posts.
3) whole other regime.[/quote]


really. so you can keep using that "whole other regime"'s bad FA signings as a damnation on using FA, but their massively bad drafts don't count? that's... umm... convenient. neither one is 100% safe, but this FO has done better on both fronts, so let's not go crazy with all the "FAs suck" stuff.

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[quote=That Guy;872479]really. so you can keep using that "whole other regime"'s bad FA signings as a damnation on using FA, but their massively bad drafts don't count? that's... umm... convenient. neither one is 100% safe, but this FO has done better on both fronts, so let's not go crazy with all the "FAs suck" stuff.[/quote]

I think the only Vinny-like FA failure of this current regime so far has been giving up picks for McNabb. Otherwise, anything else they have done cannot be compared to the turds that Vinny laid on the Skins.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872457]1) And they had those bases, because they drafted well for years.
2) If you read my post, I said per season, not in the past 5-10 years.
3) You have too, especially if you hear names of headcase athletes like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson mentioned in other FA posts.
3) whole other regime.[/quote]
This was more confusing than your first post, now I really don't know what the hell you're talking about..

Who is saying eschew the draft for free agency? In order to build a strong team we have to master BOTH avenues for acquiring players. So far, Shanahan has missed badly on two players, McNabb and Atogwe. Anyone else? You failed to mention the players we've added via free agency (Cofield, Bowen, Wilson) or via trade (Gaffney, Hightower, Carriker) that haven't been busts at all.

Here's a difficult reality you may need to come to terms with. Some professional athletes are assholes. Sometimes assholes are great players that can help your team win. If you want to root for choir boys then adopt your local Pop Warner team. Give me a talented prick over a polite loser. I'll be the first one posting hooray if we sign Desean Jackson because he represents the type of talent we haven't had on this team in decades. I'm not ignoring his flaws as a leader, just think we have enough character around him to keep him in line.

Since you mentioned whole other regime, then you should ignore the sins of front offices past when discussing the current offseason plan.