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I just can not see it happening. We either trade up to get a QB which could happen or someone like cincy who would love to get Blackmon, Kikrpatrick, Richardson or claiborne would trade up to us.

Last year Allen and Shanny showed a willingness to wheel and deal.

We have a couple big holes like interior oline which gets drafted in the later half of the first round, and wr and cb which this draft has alot of first round talent in, that we could trade back with cincy's two first round picks b/c Shanny falls for a guy or two a little further down the list seems possible.

For Cincy they could get a stud wr or rb to take pressure off Green and help Dalton grow and help them go deeper in the playoffs. Or you instantly have one of the best cb tandums with Leon Hall and whichever cb to help stop bolden and smith as well as wallace and brown.

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[quote=SkinItup;875647]I just can not see it happening. We either trade up to get a QB which could happen or someone like cincy who would love to get Blackmon, Kikrpatrick, Richardson or claiborne would trade up to us.

Last year Allen and Shanny showed a willingness to wheel and deal.

We have a couple big holes like interior oline which gets drafted in the later half of the first round, and wr and cb which this draft has alot of first round talent in, that we could trade back with cincy's two first round picks b/c Shanny falls for a guy or two a little further down the list seems possible.

For Cincy they could get a stud wr or rb to take pressure off Green and help Dalton grow and help them go deeper in the playoffs. Or you instantly have one of the best cb tandums with Leon Hall and whichever cb to help stop bolden and smith as well as wallace and brown.[/quote]

That's why going the free agent route for a QB is so appealing. Let's just assume Mat Flynn is the real deal. You got a guy with 4 years of being a full time NFL understudy who can step right in and play at a high level from day 1. Any rookie QB is going to need time to develop, even RGIII.

If the Skins were able to get a Dwayne Bowe or Colston in free agency, even better. Trading the 6th pick now gives them 3 picks in the first 2 rounds that they SHOULD be able to turn into instant starters. They can still take someone like Foles or Cousins in the second round and maybe hit on 2 QBs in the same year. Stud WRs can be found anywhere.

They should be able to make some dramatic improvements with 9 picks and free agency. With Richardson, Cincy has a nice triumvirate with Green and Dalton.

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Since RG3 and Barkley are staying going after Mat Flynn is the only logical option. He is the real deal. I say give him a bundle of money, draft moore in the 3rd round and keep our top draft pick.

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[quote=saden1;875651]Since RG3 and Barkley are staying going after Mat Flynn is the only logical option. He is the real deal. I say give him a bundle of money, draft moore in the 3rd round and keep our top draft pick.[/quote]

RG3 already declared....

Please hurry up March and April smh

#Hail to the Redskins

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Why would Cincy want Blackmon when they just drafted AJ Green with their top pick last year? Cincy isn't moving up. Well, not to anybody in the top 10's spot anyway. Doesn't make sense for them to, and it would cost them too much. They have their 1st round pick and Oakland's. That's two quality people (starters) for their football team.

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Cincy is going to trade up for a CB, Kirkpatrick could be had outside the top ten. Blackmon will Not be there. The only thing I see is Richardson, whom could be had probably around 7-10. So Cincy can just trade with someone around that range. They aren't going to go up to 6 when they can trade with 7-10 range first round picks..

Too early to tell. April come now.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875664]Cincy is going to trade up for a CB, Kirkpatrick could be had outside the top ten. Blackmon will Not be there. The only thing I see is Richardson, whom could be had probably around 7-10. So Cincy can just trade with someone around that range. They aren't going to go up to 6 when they can trade with 7-10 range first round picks..

Too early to tell. April come now.[/quote]

Gotta like your [url=http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm]2012 NFL Mock Draft Database[/url] link! Greatest Mock Draft link anywhere, anywhere! You can always count on the mocks to give you all the potential draftee names to compare with how it all falls out on NFL Draft day. It's pretty much garanteed one of those names will land with a team on Draft day. The WHO and WHERE part is the only question.

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[quote=backrow;875682]Gotta like your [url=http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm]2012 NFL Mock Draft Database[/url] link! Greatest Mock Draft link anywhere, anywhere! You can always count on the mocks to give you all the potential draftee names to compare with how it all falls out on NFL Draft day. It's pretty much garanteed one of those names will land with a team on Draft day. The WHO and WHERE part is the only question.[/quote]

Yeah, only problem is that some of the mocks aren't updated (Matt Barkley going to us at 6) and last year only 3 of the 150+ mocks had us getting Kerrigan, and I think that some of them said that after the draft...

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[quote=NC_Skins;875660]Why would Cincy want Blackmon when they just drafted AJ Green with their top pick last year? Cincy isn't moving up. Well, not to anybody in the top 10's spot anyway. Doesn't make sense for them to, and it would cost them too much. They have their 1st round pick and Oakland's. That's two quality people (starters) for their football team.[/quote]

Atlanta did it last year. No one saw that coming.

It's hard to stop two good wr. If they really believe in dalton and they certainly seems to why not give him the best wr combo in the league.

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[quote=SkinItup;875686]Atlanta did it last year. No one saw that coming.

It's hard to stop two good wr. If they really believe in dalton and they certainly seems to why not give him the best wr combo in the league.[/quote]

Ya, but Id think atlanta would have something to say about that............

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[quote=saden1;875651]Since RG3 and Barkley are staying going after Mat Flynn is the only logical option. He is the real deal. I say give him a bundle of money, draft moore in the 3rd round and keep our top draft pick.[/quote]

.RG3 has declared and Matt Flynn is the "real deal" with 130 career pass attempts? I just can't justify that or call it logical to give him a bundle of money. There are plenty of other options later in the draft plus bradford/clausen/mccoy..plenty of other logical options out there.

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cincy is not trading up. not their style.

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[quote=skinster;875695]cincy is not trading up. not their style.[/quote]

I tend to agree. Perhaps with the rookie cap they will change their style. But likely not.

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[quote=skinster;875695]cincy is not trading up. not their style.[/quote]

With Mike Brown running the show, anything can be expected.

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[quote=SkinsLove24/7;875692].RG3 has declared and Matt Flynn is the "real deal" with 130 career pass attempts? I just can't justify that or call it logical to give him a bundle of money. There are plenty of other options later in the draft plus bradford/clausen/mccoy..plenty of other logical options out there.[/quote]

I've see enough of him to know he can play the game at a high level. Lets also not forget he won a national championship. I would feel more comfortable with him than the qbs you mentioned..mccoy and clausen? Really?

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I think that the Redskins FO should go after a vet QB in free agency like Flynn and draft Blackmon. I think that the Redskins need more youth at WR...

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[quote=Redskins8588;875889]I think that the Redskins FO should go after a vet QB in free agency like Flynn and draft Blackmon. I think that the Redskins need more youth at WR...[/quote]

They would have to trade up to get Blackmon, if the skins trade up and it's not for a QB there will be a lot of pissed and confused fans, but who knows what shanahan is thinking.

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[quote=redskins5044;875896]They would have to trade up to get Blackmon, if the skins trade up and it's not for a QB there will be a lot of pissed and confused fans, but who knows what shanahan is thinking.[/quote]

WRs are dime a dozen, and the best ones routinely watch the playoffs from home. The best QBs are in the playoffs every year. I hope they don't do that. There will be several WRs taken later and some not even drafted (Victor Cruz anyone?) that will turn out to be just as good or better than Blackmon. Every year there's a can't miss 6'1 guy like Blackmon. See Crabtree, see also Detroit Lions, see also Micheal Westbrook. We need size. Alshon Jeffery at 6'4 can be had later in the first.

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[quote=44Deezel;875901]WRs are dime a dozen, and the best ones routinely watch the playoffs from home. The best QBs are in the playoffs every year. I hope they don't do that. There will be several WRs taken later and some not even drafted (Victor Cruz anyone?) that will turn out to be just as good or better than Blackmon. Every year there's a can't miss 6'1 guy like Blackmon. See Crabtree, see also Detroit Lions, see also Micheal Westbrook. We need size. Alshon Jeffery at 6'4 can be had later in the first.[/quote]Philip Rivers is looking around wondering why he's not considered a "best QB."

Roethlisberger, Brady, Peyton Manning are in the playoffs every year, but the only one of the three that didn't play for a machine of an organization that could have kept on going without him is Manning (though I don't know if the Pats of the last two years could have survived another Brady injury). Meanwhile, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning have all missed the playoffs in consecutive seasons recently, and while Aaron Rodgers is quickly reaching the first category, there was a 6-10 season in the not too distant past for the Packers. Matt Schaub has gotten the Texans to the playoffs just once.

The attribution mistake is that you're lumping the quarterbacks with entirely all the credit, and in the cases of the elite, perhaps they deserve that much credit, but great quarterbacks miss the playoffs every year. That's not supposed to make them less great. Joe Flacco makes the playoffs every year, that doesn't make Flacco a top level player. But if you're comparing him to Drew Brees, Flacco's team performs consistently better in the regular season and the playoffs.

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Only trade Shannahan should be making is trading up. Don't mess around another year and not draft a young qb. We have been doing that since Jason Campbell. I need for them to realize that drafting a qb is an urgent need and should be done. Get RG3 and stop the games.

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[quote=chrisl13;876380]Only trade Shannahan should be making is trading up. Don't mess around another year and not draft a young qb. We have been doing that since Jason Campbell. I need for them to realize that drafting a qb is an urgent need and should be done. Get RG3 and stop the games.[/quote]

Not only do I disagree, I strongly disagree. We need quality depth all over the board. Anyone else see the hurting the Pats put on the Broncos, all because of depth? I prefer a Kerrigan trade down to net more picks. How did that work out again?

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[quote=backrow;876437]Not only do I disagree, I strongly disagree. We need quality depth all over the board. Anyone else see the hurting the Pats put on the Broncos, all because of depth? I prefer a Kerrigan trade down to net more picks. How did that work out again?[/quote]

No, the Pats beat the Broncos so badly because they have a stud at the qb position and the broncos do not.

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[quote=chrisl13;876452]No, the Pats beat the Broncos so badly because they have a stud at the qb position and the broncos do not.[/quote]

Bingo. And unlike the Patriots, the likelihood of us finding a franchise diamond in the rough like Brady in the 6th round because we trade back isn't going to happen...

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[quote=chrisl13;876452]No, the Pats beat the Broncos so badly because they have a stud at the qb position and the broncos do not.[/quote]

Well, Brady also has stud receivers and tight ends to throw to (Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez.) I still have high hopes for Tim Tebow next year.

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[quote=skinsguy;876606]Well, Brady also has stud receivers and tight ends to throw to (Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez.) I still have high hopes for Tim Tebow next year.[/quote]

We all know Brady is the main ingredient in their success though.

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[quote=backrow;876437]Not only do I disagree, I strongly disagree. We need quality depth all over the board. Anyone else see the hurting the Pats put on the Broncos, all because of depth? I prefer a Kerrigan trade down to net more picks. How did that work out again?[/quote]

It remains to be seen. Kerrigan is a solid player but probably not a franchise type (defensive player). We don't know anything about Jenkins and precious little about Hankerson. Helu should be a solid rotation back if he can stay healthy.

Mike's 2011 draft could turn out to be very good, but it's hardly a foregone conclusion.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875904]Philip Rivers is looking around wondering why he's not considered a "best QB."

Roethlisberger, Brady, Peyton Manning are in the playoffs every year, but the only one of the three that didn't play for a machine of an organization that could have kept on going without him is Manning (though I don't know if the Pats of the last two years could have survived another Brady injury). Meanwhile, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning have all missed the playoffs in consecutive seasons recently, and while Aaron Rodgers is quickly reaching the first category, there was a 6-10 season in the not too distant past for the Packers. Matt Schaub has gotten the Texans to the playoffs just once.

The attribution mistake is that you're lumping the quarterbacks with entirely all the credit, and in the cases of the elite, perhaps they deserve that much credit, but great quarterbacks miss the playoffs every year. That's not supposed to make them less great. Joe Flacco makes the playoffs every year, that doesn't make Flacco a top level player. But if you're comparing him to Drew Brees, Flacco's team performs consistently better in the regular season and the playoffs.[/quote]

Philip Rivers shouldn't be looking around. He should be looking in the mirror. He had a sh*tty year, plain and simple. He's usually in the playoffs or right in the hunt.

And machine of an organization? Huh? The Pats were a machine before Brady? The Saints before Brees? Look at the teams that are in the playoffs and look at the teams that draft in the first 10 spots each year. The main thing they have in common is QB play. The ones with the worst are picking early while the ones with the best are GENERALLY in the playoffs or at least in the hunt just about every year.

I don't give QBs all the credit, but they deserve a lot of it.

And while Flacco may not be top tier, he's pretty good, and they're a consistent contender with him. The Dilfer year is the exception to the rule, but they didn't fare that well with the likes of Boler and Elvis at the helm.

And who are the great QBs that miss the playoffs every year? I'm not saying a really good QB can't miss the playoffs from time to time, but is there a team with a really good QB that consistently misses the playoffs?

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[quote=skinsguy;876606]Well, Brady also has stud receivers and tight ends to throw to (Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez.) I still have high hopes for Tim Tebow next year.[/quote]

Who were his stud WRs when he was winning those 3 Super Bowls? And Welker's best year before going to NE was 687 yards.

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[quote=chrisl13;876452]No, the Pats beat the Broncos so badly because they have a stud at the qb position and the broncos do not.[/quote]

The Broncos WRs would be all world playing in New England.

Denver has a bad wr corp, Thomas is good but the rest suck, although tebow is such a bad passer that it wouldn't matter much IMO

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=44Deezel;876709]The Broncos WRs would be all world playing in New England.[/quote]

No. Only with 10 other all pros can a QB succeed in the NFL. QB's need like 10 minutes to throw and all the defensive lineman are secretly allowed to take steroids and HGH.

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[quote=44Deezel;876708]Who were his stud WRs when he was winning those 3 Super Bowls? And Welker's best year before going to NE was 687 yards.[/quote]

His stud WR then were his defensive players. They had a great defense to help brady win then. Now their O is better but the D is shit. Go ravens!

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[quote=SkinItup;876834]His stud WR then were his defensive players. They had a great defense to help brady win then. Now their O is better but the D is shit. Go ravens![/quote]


The Ravens Offense is no better then the Pats Defense. the pat's D need only had to worry about two offenses in these playoffs: NO and GB. the next scary one for them would be a hot Elli and company.

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[quote=44Deezel;876708]Who were his stud WRs when he was winning those 3 Super Bowls? And Welker's best year before going to NE was 687 yards.[/quote]

Those Super Bowls were all very close wins that could have went the other way, and their one super bowl loss only gave them 17 points in that ball game.

Wes Welker is rated one of, if not THE top receiver in the league right now. Rob Gronkowski is a complete beast. And Hernandez always seems to make a clutch catch. Brady's got some weapons to throw to. I'm not saying Brady is nothing without good receivers - everybody knows Brady is a future Hall of Famer, but come on, look at the quality players he's got around him. Stick Tom Brady on a team like the Jaguars or the Rams and see how well he does.

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[quote=skinsguy;876837]Those Super Bowls were all very close wins that could have went the other way, and their one super bowl loss only gave them 17 points in that ball game.

Wes Welker is rated one of, if not THE top receiver in the league right now. Rob Gronkowski is a complete beast. And Hernandez always seems to make a clutch catch. Brady's got some weapons to throw to. I'm not saying Brady is nothing without good receivers - everybody knows Brady is a future Hall of Famer, but come on, look at the quality players he's got around him. Stick Tom Brady on a team like the Jaguars or the Rams and see how well he does.[/quote]

Well by that same token, stick Welker on the Jaguars and let's see how well he does

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Football is the ultimate team sport. No one can shine without the help of their teammates.

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That's why it pays to draft well.

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It's a QB league...the Pats weapons would be unrecognizable on almost any other team. If the 2011 Colts did not prove that to everyone then nothing ever will...

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[quote=skinsguy;876837]Those Super Bowls were all very close wins that could have went the other way, and their one super bowl loss only gave them 17 points in that ball game.

Wes Welker is rated one of, if not THE top receiver in the league right now. Rob Gronkowski is a complete beast. And Hernandez always seems to make a clutch catch. Brady's got some weapons to throw to. I'm not saying Brady is nothing without good receivers - everybody knows Brady is a future Hall of Famer, but come on, look at the quality players he's got around him. Stick Tom Brady on a team like the Jaguars or the Rams and see how well he does.[/quote]

Tom Brady went 12-4 and to the playoffs in 2006 throwing to a whole bunch of mediocre TEs and receivers.