Is Aaron Curry worth $5.7 million of cap room to you?
 

This thread is based on a couple of unwritten premises:

-The Raiders have to manage a lot of salary to get under the cap in 2012. They have two weeks.
-A lot of the players on their roster on long term deals cannot be cut for significant cap gain.
-Aaron Curry is not one of those players. He is due a $5.7 million base salary in 2012.

You'll all have to forgive my ignorance if I've missed a large part of something under the new CBA that makes what I'm about to write irrelevant, but:

Curry has 3 accrued seasons in the NFL. Normally, players who have had two teams give up on them before they play out their rookie deal are busts. Aaron Curry isn't a bust in that sense of the term. He'd be a cap casualty, and the only reason that guys who are top four picks in the draft aren't ever cap casualties in the first three years is because the team that signs them invested a huge bonus in them, and can't afford to just eat the cap hit unless they have zero use to the team. And like, claiming JaMarcus Russell's contract would have been the most insane thing ever.

Curry doesn't have zero use though, and he has no cap hit for the Raiders, who got him in a trade with the Seahawks.

He'll hit waivers instead of unrestricted free agency if he is released. The Redskins sit pretty close to the top of the waiver wire. If claimed, he costs just the base salary of $5.7 million for one year, and then is eligible to be an unrestricted free agent in 2013.

Would you claim Aaron Curry if the Raiders put him on waivers?

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With the right coaching maybe he could turn into a ILB, but that's to much $$$ for a maybe IMO.

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Nope. The price for Curry is too high. IMO see if he passes through waivers and then consider signing him.

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Absolutely not at that price tag. IN fact, I'm willing to be good money he goes unclaimed with that type of salary.

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Not at all

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Let him go through waivers. Unlikely anyone would claim him for that much.

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tough to pay that price when he's a questionable fit for us. Like NYCskin said, maybe he could be a ILB.

Let's look at another scenario, what if Orakpo is traded, could Curry adapt as a pass rushing OLB?

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Wasn't Curry suppose to be the safest pick in the draft?

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Curry is an uber talented LB, he speed rivals that of a young London Fletcher in many respects he's [I]more[/I] talented then Fletcher.

Signing Curry provided they re-sign Fletcher first provides Curry the chance to learn directly from Fletcher.
And [I][B][SIZE="3"]IF[/SIZE][/B][/I] London could flip the switch that's been holding Curry back we could have found a viable replacement at ILB that we know is looming.

But, I would still be willing to gamble that he clears waivers.
Its the only way the gamble on Curry is worth it in my eyes.

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If you claim him and then rework his deal you can still get the $5.7 M down to a lower figure this year. You'd only do this if you felt he was worthy of a long term deal. You'd have to talk through his contract demands if released from the Raiders.

So not at the $5.7 M number, but there's no reason you're stuck with that number.

In fact, there's no reason the Raiders are stuck with that number. They can rework Curry's contract to get the $5.7 M down lower. Not sure if they'd be able to get under the cap that way, but I don't see why not. If they've got lots of young players who they can't cut, they at least should be able to rework contracts.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;890162]Wasn't Curry suppose to be the safest pick in the draft?[/quote]

lol yup. goes to show you never a sure thing

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;890138]With the right coaching maybe he could turn into a ILB, but that's to much $$$ for a maybe IMO.[/quote]

I agree, that is quite an investment for someone who may or may not transition well.

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Curry would be a good pick up once he clears the waiver wire. I wouldn't mind seeing Fletcher and a rotation of Riley and Curry. Fletcher would be a good teacher and I think Curry would make a good ILB. He definitely has size and speed, and given Fletcher's age we want to think about bringing some youth to that position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;890136]This thread is based on a couple of [B]unwritten premises[/B]: [...][/quote]

But ... you wrote them. Is this actually a trick question so you can laugh at us ("Ha Haaa - look at them respond to my written premises and fail to consider my several [I]unwritten[/I] premises! What a bunch of mooks!)?

Does this count as my obligatory football post on a football forum?

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Hell yeah!! He would be better than McIntosh.

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Just not sure I see him as a big need here. I'd rather continue to develop Riley.

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Is the only reason to release Curry his salary? You say he is not a bust despite being cut by two teams (traded in one case) ... so what is he? Is he an upgrade over Riley? A competent starter? A developmental mid-tier guy i.e. an eventual starter who is the equivalent of a player who should have been drafted in the 4th or 5th round? A back up?

I mean if the guy is a capable player, sign him as Fletcher's back/rotation and rework the last year. But for just one year, unless he is coming in to take Riley's or Fletch's spot, why bother?

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What if we picked up Curry at his native OLB position and traded Orakpo to recoup picks from a RG3 trade. Would anyone have an issue with that?

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[quote=mbedner3420;890195]What if we picked up Curry at his native OLB position and traded Orakpo to recoup picks from a RG3 trade. Would anyone have an issue with that?[/quote]

yeah, can curry even rush the passer?

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[quote=mbedner3420;890195]What if we picked up Curry at his native OLB position and traded Orakpo to recoup picks from a RG3 trade. Would anyone have an issue with that?[/quote]

Definitely pass on that option.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;890190]Is the only reason to release Curry his salary? You say he is not a bust despite being cut by two teams (traded in one case) ... so what is he? Is he an upgrade over Riley? A competent starter? A developmental mid-tier guy i.e. an eventual starter who is the equivalent of a player who should have been drafted in the 4th or 5th round? A back up?

I mean if the guy is a capable player, sign him as Fletcher's back/rotation and rework the last year. But for just one year, unless he is coming in to take Riley's or Fletch's spot, why bother?[/quote]I would say in the worst case scenario, he is Perry Riley, which is the argument against putting $6 million cap dollars into him.

His early career has been very similar to what DeAngelo Hall's career to date was like when the Redskins plucked him off waivers at roughly the same age. I do think Curry offers a bit more positional flexibility and overall ability than Hall did at the same age, but their early-career player profiles are about the same, in the way that if you thought Hall was an awful waiver wire pickup in 2008, I believe Curry would be just as frustrating.

What he flashed in Oakland that you didn't see in Seattle was the ability to find the football and make a game changing play. He's weak in coverage, and I think his pass rushing ability was considered more advanced coming out than it ended up being. I think he could play inside or outside linebacker for us.

What's most intriguing about Curry, by far, his birthdate. He's 25, turning 26 before the season.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;890185]But ... you wrote them. Is this actually a trick question so you can laugh at us ("Ha Haaa - look at them respond to my written premises and fail to consider my several [I]unwritten[/I] premises! What a bunch of mooks!)?

Does this count as my obligatory football post on a football forum?[/quote]I can't be held responsible for my own actions after 3 AM.

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[quote=Mattyk;890200]Definitely pass on that option.[/quote]

Is he a terrible pass rusher? I explicitly try to not follow the Raiders, so I have no clue how good Curry actually is (or isn't).

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curry is the joe buck of linebackers

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[quote=mbedner3420;890349]Is he a terrible pass rusher? I explicitly try to not follow the Raiders, so I have no clue how good Curry actually is (or isn't).[/quote]Like Aaron Maybin, he's much more effective when you scheme him into a blitz concept then when you line him up on the shoulder of the right tackle and tell him "get the quarterback, big guy." I would argue that makes him a Jim Haslett kind of player.

I'm not sure exactly where he'd play though. If you kept Orakpo, Kerrigan, and Fletcher, then he's probably just going to block Riley for a year. But like the Santana Moss signing last year, the devil is in your depth. And I think Curry would provide great depth here for one plus seasons.

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His most natural position in the 3-4 would be the Sam, which is what Kerrigan plays in most packages. Obviously, Kerrigan is the guy on the defense now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;890359]Like Aaron Maybin, he's much more effective when you scheme him into a blitz concept then when you line him up on the shoulder of the right tackle and tell him "get the quarterback, big guy." I would argue that makes him a Jim Haslett kind of player.

I'm not sure exactly where he'd play though. If you kept Orakpo, Kerrigan, and Fletcher, then he's probably just going to block Riley for a year. But like the Santana Moss signing last year, the devil is in your depth. And I think Curry would provide great depth here for one plus seasons.[/quote]

I think we should only sign him if we trade up to get RG3. That way, we can trade Orakpo to recoup picks and Curry can take over. If we stay pat at 6 or trade down, it wouldn't make sense because Curry doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over Rak.

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My thing with the Curry-as-freeagent deal is that typically, you can't find good players who will sign as free agents to be quality depth. Players on waivers do not have that choice. If you want to build depth at the linebacker level, I mean sure, this guy may just be a one year deal, but he's not signing to back up London Fletcher if he can go elsewhere and start.

I view it as more a rare opportunity to use the waiver wire to add quality depth than someone who is necessarily the long term replacement for Fletcher. If he's that, then that's a great bonus.

I would just say "yes" to Curry, simply because the Redskins enjoy a ton of cap room.

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Having seen plenty of Aaron Curry I can say he is dogsh!t. If I am the Redskins GM you would have to pay me to put him on my roster until the last cut date.