2005 NFL Hall of Fame Inductee's
 

I'm listening to the pressconference so I'll post the winners as soon as they are announced!




COMMON ART!!! :httr:

Here we go....

here we go. it's starting now

Monk And Grimm Are In The Top 10.......

Damn!

Are you f*cking kidding me, Monk didnt even make the top 6 and irvin did.

Gotta wait another year

this is freakin bullshit

Class members are : Benny Friedman, Marino, Fritz Polard and Steve Young.



Monk should pull a Carson and tell him he dosent even want it anymore. They low ball him every year.

That is so lame

This pisses me off. I feel like locking this thread just because it's too depressing

I just dont get it....

Other than Marino this is a weak class. I cant believe that Irvin made the top 6 and Monk didnt. The HOF committe needs to get rid of Peter King he is the reason the great Monk doesnt get in.

Fu*k Peter King and Dr Z! They lead a public campaign against Art every year. The HOF is just nonsense. Who are these writers to decide who belongs? They need a new system. people who never had anything to do with the NFL hold the keys to it's HOF! WHo thought up this process?

I freaking guarantee you Monk would be a first ballot inductee if the players were voting on who should be in....freaking ridiculous, King and Z need to get of their fat ass and get over hating the skins and recognize that there are some players that have come through the organization that are "Hall" worthy...

Who the hell is Peter King think he is? He is quick to be critical of Monk but i bet he couldnt catch a pass over the middle or block a linebacker like Monk did when ever necessary. That kind of unselfish play helped his team win 3 Super Bowls, not to mention his mere locker room presents That FAT bastard King!!!!!!

don't sweat it fellas , we all know that monk should be in the hall but the voting system is flawed. monk will be voted in one day.

He should just start up his own SKINS Hall of Fame. F those guys.

Dis respected again.

I blame Peter King, he's practically gone out to campaign against Monk

That is screwed up! How does Art Monk not make it into the Hall of Fame? I can see linemen getting snubbed just because they do the grunt work and QBs, WRs, and RBs get all the glory, but still Art Monk more than deserves to be induceted into the HOF!

It's amazing just how much the Redskins get disrespected!

I'll betcha a million bucks that if the Redskins were currently a winning team...consistantly making it into the playoffs or winning Super Bowls, we would probably see more former 'Skins making it to the Hall of Fame! So help me, if someone like Desmond Howard makes it to the Hall of Fame one day and Monk doesn't, I'm going to go postal! LOL

[QUOTE=skinsguy]I'll betcha a million bucks that if the Redskins were currently a winning team...consistantly making it into the playoffs or winning Super Bowls, we would probably see more former 'Skins making it to the Hall of Fame! So help me, if someone like Desmond Howard makes it to the Hall of Fame one day and Monk doesn't, I'm going to go postal! LOL[/QUOTE]

Thing is they [B]were[/B] constantly making the playoffs and winning Super Bowls when Monk was playing so why isn't he getting more recognition? I just don't get it.

It is bullshit art didn't get in but does anyonw know where Derrick Thomas ended up? I am pretty pissed off no defensive players got in !!!!

Since Monk didn't get in (which doesn't surprise me - he [u]deserves[/u] it, but that's clearly not a guarantee), I'm glad the class was as small as it was. Only two modern players, and both were first ballot guys.

Actually, the biggest surprise was Young. I don't doubt he belongs in the Hall, but he had a pretty short career as a starter. Though his success can't be denied, it isn't like he carried his team for the duration of his career - they were the 49ers, for God's sake. He took over a perennial Super Bowl contender, and they remained a perennial Super Bowl contender. To me a first ballot guy retires with records (like Marino, or... Art Monk) or has a long career of sustained success. Young started for, what, seven years for San Fran? His USFL starts and Tampa Bay were never Canton numbers, so basically his Hall legacy is seven years starting for the Niners. To be frank, when I saw Young made the cut, the first thing I thought was [i]George Young[/i] - and I was pretty pleased.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]It is bullshit art didn't get in but does anyonw know where Derrick Thomas ended up? I am pretty pissed off no defensive players got in !!!![/QUOTE]

DT got cut the same round that Monk did, he was in the top 10 but not the top 6. 7,8,9,10 were Monk, Grimm, DT and Carson I belive (not in that order).

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Thing is they [B]were[/B] constantly making the playoffs and winning Super Bowls when Monk was playing so why isn't he getting more recognition? I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]


I dont' know, but it just seems to me that anytime there is press around our team, it is always something that is negative. Especially when it comes from ESPN....

I don't know about negativety from ESPN. All I heard today from Trey Wingo, Merill Hoge, Sean Salisbury and others on how Monk should be in. Of course theres going to be negativety on this franchise the way it is going.

I know everyone here is angry about Monk getting snubbed again but the REAL reason he is getting snubbed is not Peter King or writers from Dallas or aliens from the Planet Zeembo. The real culprit here is - hold your breath - Art Monk.

The fact it that writers/broadcasters/journalists are the ones who decide who goes into the HoF in all the major sports. If you don't like that, go to your bank account and start up your own HoF. When you do that, you can establish whatever you'd like as the process for inducting people. You could do it all yourself if you want and you could banish all Cowboys' players just because it's your HoF. You can do whatever you want if you are the one paying the bills. But that's not the way Canton works. Deal with it!

Art Monk was not "helpful" or "accomodating" to the press folks for most if not all of his career. He wasn't mean or disrepectful, but he wasn't helpful either. And so, he did not endear himself to the people who now hold the keys to the HoF and he is paying a price for that. He knew they held the keys; he behaved the way he wanted to behave. Now what has kicked in is one of the unspoken rules of the real world:

Adults make choices and choices have consequences.

Monk will eventually get in. It would help if he did a little apologizing and a little "glad handing" on his own behalf - which is not his style at all but which would go a looong way. Once again,. he can choose to do this or not. And that choice will have consequences either positive or negative.

BTW, if Monk writes a letter like Harry Carson did, he won't get in until he's dead.

The way I feel too is that I'm sure Redskins fans aren't the only ones who have favorite players who get snubbed. The good thing is, as much as we'd like to have Monk in the Hall of Fame, Redskins and non-Redskins fans will always know how great he was. THAT type of legacy is something that will live on in memory even if it is not enshrined in Canton.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon] Art Monk was not "helpful" or "accomodating" to the press folks for most if not all of his career. He wasn't mean or disrepectful, but he wasn't helpful either. And so, he did not endear himself to the people who now hold the keys to the HoF and he is paying a price for that. He knew they held the keys; he behaved the way he wanted to behave. Now what has kicked in is one of the unspoken rules of the real world[/QUOTE]

First of all, I completley agree with your statement. However, it just proves a sense of biasness, I think. Just because he declined an interview or whatever, it should keep him out of the hall. I mean Barry Sanders didnt really do interview's, and he got in right away (I understand Sanders was better than Monk). They say that they take all the off the feild stuff out of the equation and they dont.

Unreal. I mean come on. I would just like to know what the NFL has to do with the Hall. You would think that the NFL would have something to say about who get in. I am sure Irvin will get busted with more coke to get his name out and get elected next year. I was listening to Mel Kiper Jr. on ESPN Radio the morning and he was talking about how Monk should be in. He said if you take a all time fifth all time hitter (as Monk is receiving in football with receiving) in baseball and they are in the HOF. Monk was the all time leading when he retired wasnt he? What more does he have to do? F*ck those people.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]It would help if he did a little apologizing and a little "glad handing" on his own behalf.[/QUOTE]
What the f*&% does he have to apologize for? Not being a quote machine? Not making news off the field? I'll admit he wasn't an out going guy but also wasn't a jerk. He has nothing to apologize for and it would be a disgrace to his legacy for him to do so.

The sad thing is that they really live up to the name of Hall of "Fame." Art was a workman-like guy who flew under the radar because he was a quiet decent guy who didn't make spectacular plays, but made ALL the little plays and had super hands. Michael Irvin, on the other hand, makes the top 6 with inferior stats to Art, because he was a loudmouth who has always kept himself in the spotlight, even since retiring with his ESPN gig.

IMO, its almost more of a compliment to Art to have all these knowledgeable former players like Salisbury, Hoge, Schlereth, etc etc. crying out that it is a horrible shame that he isn't in the Hall. I think it is probably more important to him to have earned their respect than to have earned the respect of these random sportswriters. Still, it blows that he keeps getting snubbed.

What Monk accomplished on the field speaks for itself. If the HOF voters are holding something against him because he didn't talk to the media that's a damn shame.

Players should be elected in to the Hall based on what they did ON the field, not in the locker room.

Monk apologize?? What the hell for? Oh maybe for being a team player that wasnt loud and obnoxious. For just wanting to play football and not wanting to answer ridiculous questions from some reporter (I.E. Peter Kind, Dr. Z. Etc..) in post game interviews. You know i have heard alot of ex-players say that Monk deserves to be in the hall, and i think that having the respect of your peers is better than kissing some reporters ass to get into the hall. Art is above these reporter clowns!!!!

Lets get together and dump Sports Illustrated, convince everyone you know to dump SI. Those idiot sports writers are the ones that have a strangle hold on not letting Art Monk in the HOF.

I dumped SI, a long time ago. The internet works just fine for all my sports news needs. I don't care if the Skins win the SB and they offer all those freebies. I am not dropping $50-60 for a years subscription.

Gmanc711:

Being biased is part of being human. You are biased in favor or Art Monk because he was a Redskin; that's not bad; it's just a fact.

Media folks will tend to have a bias against Monk because he was not helpful to them; that's not bad; it's just a fact.


Sklinsfan 44:

The NFL has nothing to say about who gets into the HoF just as the other sports have no say about who gets into their Halls of Fame. And if they did, think of all the blackballing that would go on because of what some player or his agent did vis a vis his owner or ownership in general. Remember, Reggie White sued the NFL and his lawsuit is the one that established free agency. Owners might not think nearly as much of Reggie White as fans or writers/broadcasters do with reagerd to HoF membership. And let's be very clear here; no matter who he played for, Reggie White belongs in the HoF the minute he is eligible because he was unquestionably the best DE of all time and maybe the best DL of all time.


Monk-fan:

You are absolutely right. Art Monk does not have to apologize to anyone about anything. He did nothing wrong. But if HE wants to get into the HoF sooner as opposed to later, he'll try to mend fences. If he doesn't do that, you need to start to put a small part of the blame on him for his being outside and not inside. He could make this happen if it were important enough to HIM.

On the other hand, I'm certain that Art Monk does not care one whit whether or not you are offended by the vote of the committee and I'm equally certain that the committee is not concerned with your degree of upset either.

If you were to succeed in getting up a sufficiently wide boycott for SI that would make them sit up and take notice (probability is about 0.000001), be sure to let them know what it will take for you and all your friends to resubscribe and then send in your money because otherwise, they will write you off as a loss and move on to try to capture a different demographic. Canceling a subscription is one thing; but if you want them to change, you have to show them that you can deliver them even more readers than they used to have once they change. How might you do that?

For the record, I was an SI subscriber from 1960 until about 1992 and then I dumped it. I dumped it because the mag was not nearly as good as it once was - and when I read it once in a while now, it still isn't nearly worth the price of a subscription. So, don't tell them I'll be a new subscriber if they help put Art Monk in the HoF because that won't make SI stink any the less.

Steve young in and Art out doesn't make any sence and all the arguments for keeping Art out get weaker by the year becuase they vote someone less deserving in every time . There has to come a point when they say hey what happened to the guy who went to three superbowls held the record for the longest streak of games with at leat one pass, most yards per catch and most catches in a single season he must be a HOF no no sorry he was Art Monk

And it cannot be an anti Redskin thing because I remember the art appreciation signs up in Jets land where he retired he was throughout his career a standup guy.

One thing bothers me is the voting is by memeber of the press and so many of them come from new york or california no wonder Art isn't getting the ballots .

I worry about Mitchell not even bing mentioned for a hof place when he becomes eleigable and the same excuses come out but all in all it will be an anti Redskin vote and the HOF becomes in my mind the same kind of popularity contest bs as the pro bowl which is sad because it lessens the importance of the players in it...

Well you heard the other thread's reason for him not getting in...

His name comes after Irvin.... great reason.