A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
 

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Barring something crazy Robert Griffin is gonna be our QB.
We all know that Robert Griffin is a dynamic QB that has a physical skillset on par with some of the NFL's best.

I stumbled upon the Redskins vs Panthers on my DVR and couldn't help but wonder if I was watching the future of the Redskins offense.
[SIZE="1"][B][COLOR="Red"]Keep in mind I'm not saying that Griffin is Cam Newton, far from it, this is a discussion of the [U]offense[/U] itself not of Cam.[/COLOR][/B] [/SIZE]

Spread offense are no longer exclusive to the college game; over the past few years we've seen coaches like Rob Chudzinski, Chan Gailey and Mike McCoy borrow directly from these college spread offenses.
Josh McDaniels, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and Tom Moore/Peyton Manning have mixed in a lot of shotgun heavy spread concepts and formations.

I have little doubt that Griffin can excute any type of offensive gameplan the staff has in store for him.
Griffin has more ability in the drop back rhythm passing game then people think.
Not only is Griffin smart and coachable many people don't realize or forgot that [I]early[/I] in Griffin's college career he was under center quite a bit.
Over time Briles built an offense and tailored his playcalling to maximize his dynamic QB that almost exclusively featured shotgun spread and zone-read spread formations and plays.
Freshmen year:
[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAj3o5SXdFE&feature=player_embedded[/ame]




[B]What effect do you think Robert Griffin will have on the gameplanning and playcalling?[/B]

Do you think:

o the core offense/formations and playcalling balance will remain [B]unchanged[/B] and Griffin's own ability will raise the level of execution and add more playmaking ability?

o No changes to the offense except for the [B]redzone.[/B]

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the [B]playcalling balance[/B] will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

o the offense formations will [B]change[/B] and our offense will adopt and [U]feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts[/U], like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?


And equally as important what do you [I][B]want[/B][/I] to happen?

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I'd think the offense should stay the same; we should continue to look to playactions and bootlegs. But the playcalling should be different. No matter who is at qb, different abilities make you trust different players in different situations.

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IMO most teams will stack the line until our future QB RG3 makes them wish they didn't. The Offense will be better we are starting to get the pieces & QB is/was the most important. MS/KS will put RG3 in the best position to WIN NOW.

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I can see some option runs in our offense this year. That will be nice. I also see us running more spread, no full back formations. I can't see them keeping the same look as last year with two quarterbacks who can't run. I see them taking advantage of RG3's skills.

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The offense needs to be built around this guy.
Period.
You dont buy a Beemer and use it to tow your dirt bike trailer.

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I think you look at this offense over the last couple years and think, 'we need a player who changes everything'. We have this player and a playmaker so we change everything and honest to god, we need too.

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Overall, I didn't have as big of a problem with the game-plan as I did with the execution. In fact, I thought we did quite well given the personel we had on the field. I thought we were weak at WR, OL, and QB. That is a lot of weakness.
I think we should keep our current philosophy (for the most part) adding a few plays here and there based on our QB's/WR's/OL's abilities. If our OL can't run block, we'll HAVE to throw more. If our QB is getting pressured too much behind center, it may be better to go shotgun from time to time or limit our 5 step drops. If our WR's can't get separation from defenders then that will limit us to what patterns we can run.
I think we should build around our personel's abilities to a certain degree but not to the extent where we negate the strengths of our current system. I like the deception that is created by the play action. IF we can run the ball, we can keep defenses even more off balanced than becoming one dimensional throwing all the time.
Even though its great that we have a competent QB, I want defenses to worry about the run AND the pass. Just like in boxing, as soon as you get too predictable, or one-dimensional, you wake up in the hospital strapped to a table getting your jaw wired.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;903658]The offense needs to be built around this guy.
Period.
You dont buy a Beemer and use it to tow your dirt bike trailer.[/quote]

Oh now you tell me, where were you when I attached the hitch. :)

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Also, I think it is a mistake to treat RG3 as a running back who can throw. I think he should be treated as a quarterback who can run if needed. Running backs get injured in the NFL. You can put in some new plays for him to take advantage of his speed (I actually think he's faster than 4.41) but to DEPEND on him as a runner will increase the likelihood of injury. He's actually built more like a track runner (because he is one) than a running back any way.
Trust me, he will be running enough when the protection breaks down or receivers are covered. I would still probably install some 3rd and short bootlegs to the sideline or pylon, a qb draw on the goalline or in short-yard situation, an option to keep the defense honest but I would prefer him running in low traffic situations. I CERTAINLY would not build the offense around him as a RB - I would build it around his QB skills.

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I hope that, at first, the last option prevails - that we make the offense somewhat resemble Baylor's so that Griffin is not overwhelmed with learning (even though he's a smart guy) and so that he feels comfort quickly.

Then over time I expect a transition to a more "traditional" Kyle offense, if I can put it that way, but with Griffin running it better than anyone ever has.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;903658]The offense needs to be built around this guy.
Period.
You dont buy a Beemer and use it to tow your dirt bike trailer.[/quote]


Great post! The offense need to be tailored to the personnel. Griffin is a good mobile qb who should have the spread included in the packages. Four recievers is the norm in the NFL now, with the ability to spread the field and get over the top of the defense as well as a solid running game [featuring running backs who are quick and shifty] there should be no doubt that the offense should be expanded to an all inclusive exciting situation that has not been seen B 4 in D.C.

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Hmmm...I reckon more important than the system are tempo and overall game-day preparedness over the previous two seasons.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;903658]The offense needs to be built around this guy.
Period.
You dont buy a Beemer and use it to tow your dirt bike trailer.[/quote]

While this is true, it is not the right analogy. This would be the equivalent of using RG3 as a running back.

In other words, we don't need to "Tebow" our playbook. RG3 is young, smart and likely could fit into and run many systems. We don't have to replicate the exact Baylor system. We will certainly need to understand RG3's strengths and build plays that exploit them, however I think he could step in and fit into Shanny's system without completely changing everything.

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The same offense that John Elway and Matt Schuab ran should be the one that RG3 runs. Why change anything? If Grossman was able to move the ball effectively down field then so can Griffin.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;903658]The offense needs to be built around this guy.
Period.
You dont buy a Beemer and use it to tow your dirt bike trailer.[/quote]

i agree he is the key

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we can win with this guy right now.just taylor the offense around him

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[quote=30gut;903646]

o the core offense/formations will remain unchanged but the [B]playcalling balance[/B] will return and the offense will look more like Houston and the traditional Mike S. Denver WCO with a heavy focus on stretch running and boot-action passing?

[/quote]

This is what I'd like to see for the most part. Don't change the system, but don't try to force square pegs into round holes either.

Clearly we're going to have a QB that can do a lot more with his legs than a McNabb, Grossman, or Beck. I don't want to do too much designed running with RGIII because I want him healthy, but certainly bootleg stuff could be very effective. We're going to have a stronger receiving corps with additions like Garcon. Plus we'll have a healthy Cooley and hopefully a more focused, not stoned Fred Davis.

Seems to me that this team will have significantly more potential talent-wise on offense. Let's call plays around that.

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I agree with all of you. The fact that opposing defenses will have to respect Griffin's athleticism will consequently define this offense.

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[quote=GMScud;903809]This is what I'd like to see for the most part. Don't change the system, but don't try to force square pegs into round holes either.

Clearly we're going to have a QB that can do a lot more with his legs than a McNabb, Grossman, or Beck. I don't want to do too much designed running with RGIII because I want him healthy, but certainly bootleg stuff could be very effective...[/quote]I kinda agree with you because I'm a traditional smash mouth football type of guy.
I loved the traditional run balance of (sans Kyle) Houston and Mike. S Denver WCO.
Griffin would be deadly running or throwing off boot-action.
Mike Shanahan's traditional Denver WCO would be a breeze for QB like Griffin to learn and execute.

But, whether its a bootleg run or zone read play both are plays with a designed QB run option that can put the QB at risk.

Some of the cutting edge NFL offenses feature the same formations and concepts Griffin mastered at Baylor.
As the rest of the league adds more and more of these [I]spread[/I] elements, not neccessarily designed QB runs but spread elements, wouldn't the offense benefit from making the same shift?
Especially with a QB like Griffin that's proven his proficiency in that system?

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Here are 2 NFL spread offense at work:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CO&hl=es-419&v=K-XlTceyCPI]New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills Highlights 9-25-11 - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=30gut;903891]I kinda agree with you because I'm a traditional smash mouth football type of guy.
I loved the traditional run balance of (sans Kyle) Houston and Mike. S Denver WCO.
Griffin would be deadly running or throwing off boot-action.
Mike Shanahan's traditional Denver WCO would be a breeze for QB like Griffin to learn and execute.

But, whether its a bootleg run or zone read play both are plays with a designed QB run option that can put the QB at risk.

Some of the cutting edge NFL offenses feature the same formations and concepts Griffin mastered at Baylor.
As the rest of the league adds more and more of these [I]spread[/I] elements, not neccessarily designed QB runs but spread elements, wouldn't the offense benefit from making the same shift?
Especially with a QB like Griffin that's proven his proficiency in that system?[/quote]

Well, adding some spread concepts for Griffin would certainly be smart. I never said I didn't want him running the ball at all, I just don't want to see it all the time for health reasons. My worry is they'll run a ton of boots, and until RGIII gets really comfortable with NFL defenses, he'll be too quick to exercise that run option, increases his chances of getting hurt on the run .

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[quote=GMScud;903960]I never said I didn't want him running the ball at all, I just don't want to see it all the time for health reasons. My worry is they'll run a ton of boots, and until RGIII gets really comfortable with NFL defenses, he'll be too quick to exercise that run option, increases his chances of getting hurt on the run.[/quote]Right on.
I just wanted to point out that I wasn't suggesting that Griffin should run all the time either or that adding spread concepts doesn't equate to designed QB runs.

I agree that whichever style offense they run shouldn't have too many of designed runs either.
I also think Griffin needs to be exercise much better judgement in knowing when to get down and avoid a hit versus when to try and gain that extra yardage and exposing his body.
Imo fearlessness is one of the traits that Griffin shares with Locker.
These guys made some breathtaking runs and also exposed their bodies and took many unneccessary hits.

If there is one area where I wouldn't mind seeing more designed plays with QB runs as an option is the read zone.
That is one area where I think the risk is worth the reward.

[B]Back to your OP[/B], truth be told any option that involves a return of balanced playcalling is the least likely scenario in my mind.
Regardless of whether there are more spread concepts or the offense concepts/formations remains unchanged from last year I doubt Kyle will ever have the run balance that was the staple of the DWCO.

I'm not saying that as a value judgement either; just an observation of the trend in Kyle's pass/run ratio both here and in Houston.
Although I prefer balanced playcalling there are plenty of great offenses in the league that lack balanced playcalling but are still highly productive.

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I say same but better as long as the Shanahan's are in town. If the Shanahans get fired then at that point it may be best to bring in someone that will design an entire offense around RG3's skill set with RG3, similar to how Drew Brees and Sean Payton essentially designed the Saints offense together.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;904039]I say same but better as long as the Shanahan's are in town.[/quote]You mean for what you want to see or what you expect to see?
[quote]If the Shanahans get fired then at that point it may be best to bring in someone that will design an entire offense around RG3's skill set with RG3, similar to how Drew Brees and Sean Payton essentially designed the Saints offense together.[/quote]It maybe a sublime a distinction but I think the Brees/Payton relationship is different from what I'm suggesting with a rookie QB.
Brees chose what he liked from within Payton's playbook.
I'm thinking more along the lines of adding to the playbook based on Griffin's college offense ala Rob Chudzinski and Cam Newton.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;904039]I say same but better as long as the Shanahan's are in town. If the Shanahans get fired then at that point it may be best to bring in someone that will design an entire offense around RG3's skill set with RG3, similar to how Drew Brees and Sean Payton essentially designed the Saints offense together.[/quote]

I agree. Ideally, you want to be able to utilize your player's talents to the fullest but not to the extent where you suppress your own talents as a coach/playcaller. As a coach/coordinator, you need to have the ability to run the newly installed system in real time in game situations as defenses adjust. This takes experience. You can't be learning as you go -- you need to be effective right now. You don't want to be a amatuer play-caller at running a new system going against defenses who are experts, experienced at defending it. This WILL get you fired.

The Shanahans should add some plays to highlight RG3's skillset to their playbook but they should not get TOO far away from their expertise.
For this reason its best to go "same but better". We can add some spread, option, etc. but not completely convert to a new system(unless you can run it as an expert right away OR your bringing in a coaching staff whose specialty is that offense).

I actually prefer Shanahan's playaction system anyway. It's just hard to run it when you have no protection, ineffective rushing attack, slow receivers who can't get separation or can't beat the press, and a qb who can't throw OR run. And considering all of those flaws, I actually thought we did OK last year. Imagine what we can do if we can do with the right personnel. If we have weapons and protection, they can't over-key or over-pursue the ball. It will be interesting to see how defenses defend us with all of those options available - RB/WR/TE/QB.

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More play action will be used with Griffin. Also more passing and less running will be used. Its going to be F'n fantastic to watch this year, because the defense is going to be like "Rookie QB who can run," then they'll put 8 in the box on Griffin. He'll do play action. The OLB or DE will have containment duties on playaction where he has to get the QB, or the TE who frees off his block (Davis or Cooley). That will be great because what do you do? Do you go and attempt to go after the Olympic speed QB and either not get him or let the Pro Bowl caliber TE go by you for an easy catch and gain? Or do you cover the TE and watch the QB blaze right by you? Expect a lot of rushing yards, and big seasons out of the TE's. Oh and we have a blazing fast WR now in Pierre Garcon, to get the deep balls RG3 so beautifully places.

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[quote=imaskin4life;904082]I agree. Ideally, you want to be able to utilize your player's talents to the fullest but not to the extent where you suppress your own talents as a coach/playcaller. As a coach/coordinator, you need to have the ability to run the newly installed system in real time in game situations as defenses adjust. This takes experience. You can't be learning as you go -- you need to be effective right now. You don't want to be a amatuer play-caller at running a new system going against defenses who are experts, experienced at defending it. This WILL get you fired.[/quote]But why do attribute negative results to adding spread concepts to the offense?

I think you do NFL coaches a disservice when you imply adding new concpets would turn them into amatuers or that or that adapting their offense equates to suppressing their own talents.

Some OCs like our very own Joe Gibbs have drastically changed their offense on the fly [I][B]during[/B][/I] the season (as has Chan Gailey w/Chiefs and Denver last year).
Rob Chudzinksi is from the San Deigo Air Coryell tree yet effectively ran an offense that featured a lot of spread elements with a sprinkle of zone read.
Chan Gailey basically runs a spread offense with the Bills.

Being able to adapt is a hallmark of innovation not of suppression.

By the time a coach makes it to NFL there aren't many concepts they haven't explored.
Therefore I don't think any offensive concepts are going to be completely 'new'.
Kyle like most OCs already runs some spread concepts:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cwzKDLq4wg&feature=related]Week 1: Redskins-28 Giants-14 - YouTube[/ame]

[quote]The Shanahans should add some plays to highlight RG3's skillset to their playbook but they should not get TOO far away from their expertise.
For this reason its best to go "same but better". We can add some spread, option, etc. but not completely convert to a new system(unless you can run it as an expert right away OR your bringing in a coaching staff whose specialty is that offense).[/quote]Scratching head; 'the same but better' is different scenario then adding some spread and some option.
Which would be more like this option:
[quote]the offense formations will [B]change[/B] and our offense will adopt and [U]feature some of Baylor's formations and concepts[/U], like they way the Panthers added some of Auburns formations, plays and concepts?[/quote]Except, I guess you don't want to alter the offense to as great of an extent as the Panther and the Bills?

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30gut.

I think we should run the same offense we ran last year and add SOME spread. We should NOT throw out the whole playbook and install ALL spread. Spread is good and we should add some but not ALL. We should still have a running attack and run playaction as well just like last year. If we were to install ALL spread it would be better to bring in a new regime that runs spread offense as their specialty.

If an offensive coordinator has no experience running a certain scheme then he is an amatuer with that scheme period. If Kyle knows spread then he's not an amatuer with spread. If he doesn't then he is an amateur (compared to a profressional who knows it.)

If a regime [I]throws out the old playbook [/I]and [I]adopts a brand new one that they are not familiar with [/I]then not only are they amatuers then they are also supressing their own talents and skills (even if it is an attempt to highlight the talent on the field). It is definitely good to use your talent on the field. But not to the degree where you stop doing what YOU know and what you are good at in exchange for what you think your talent is good at. In other words I think it is a mistake to COMPLETELY throw out the old playbook in exchange for a new one that you are not as experienced with.

If you think this is a good idea then I think you do a disservice to NFL defensive coordinators to think an offensive coordinator can run a foreign system effectively against a DC that is accustomed to stopping it. I'm NOT talking about adapting on the fly--I'm talking about changing the whole philosophy, scheme, gameplan as being a bad idea if it is not who and what we know how to do now.

I prefer the core of the offense to be a function of the play action. Yes, we should add some spread but I prefer that the bulk of our offense be what is was last year - a function of the playaction mostly because this is who our offensive coordinator is right now and partly because I like having the option of a solid running game and misdirection with the playaction.

Our offense should be a function of both the coaching staff's talents AND our players' talents, not just the players' talents. That is how loaded teams get upset and average teams beat loaded ones.

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At times, the Redskins offensive coaches should incorporate plays that will take advantage of Griffin III's running ability. While we don't want RG3 banged up too much, running bootleg plays, the wishbone offense, option plays, and having RG3 in the wildcat formation would be a nice idea. Does anybody remember when Brandon Banks was in the wildcat during the game against Minnesota at Fed EX Field in 2010? If anyone remembers the Carolina vs Redskins game last year, the Panthers took advantage of Cam Newton's ability to run with the football by calling option plays.

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I think

1- everyone is saying RG3 fits our scheme so there should not be a whole lot of changes.

2- one media source I was listening to mentioned that with Garçon, AA, Moss, and Gaffney because of the speed and RG3 we should be able to add a little spread offense wrinkle.

3- MS and KS just don't seem the type to change what their doing for their QBs sake, ie; McNabb, Beck. I think they will keep the offense the same but use RG3's speed with a lot more roll outs and bootlegs. That should open up the down field shots since the defense will have to put one guy to shadow RG3.

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/27/former-shanahan-coordinator-says-rg3-going-fit-per/]Former Shanahan coordinator says RG3 "is going to fit perfect" with Redskins - Washington Times[/url]

[quote]“Mike likes to run the ball – everything starts with the run – and likes to move his quarterback,” Kubiak said at the AFC coaches’ breakfast here Tuesday. “I don’t know that I’ve seen one move like this guy in a while. He’s very smart. This guy is going to fit perfect with what they want to do – if they take him, of course.”[/quote]

I think the kid is going to be excellent here. Hopefully he has a lot of luck(no pun) on his side in regards to injuries.

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[quote=SBXVII;904177]I think

1- everyone is saying RG3 fits our scheme so there should not be a whole lot of changes.

2- one media source I was listening to mentioned that with Garçon, AA, Moss, and Gaffney because of the speed and RG3 we should be able to add a little spread offense wrinkle.

[B]3- MS and KS just don't seem the type to change what their doing for their QBs sake, ie; McNabb, Beck. I think they will keep the offense the same but use RG3's speed with a lot more roll outs and bootlegs. That should open up the down field shots since the defense will have to put one guy to shadow RG3.[/B][/quote]
This is the biggest misconception of the Shanahans that is perpetuated by fans and talking heads that don't know what they are talking about.

Quick history lesson on Mike Shanahan's history with QB.
John Elway-strengths were rolling out, athleticism, making plays on the move
Brian Greise-strengths (loosely used term) were dropping back, pocket passer
Jake Plummer-strengths were rolling out, play action, deep throwbacks
Jay Cutler-strenghts were setting up in shotgun, reading pre snap, pocket passer

Each time he had a different QB, he adapted his offense to meet their strengths and had success with all of them. So what's happened in DC? He got a QB whose strengths (deep ball, mobility, creating plays outside the scope of the offense) were no longer strengths in McNabb and a QB whose strengths (again, loosely used term) are as a pocket passer executing the offense in a precise manner who sabotages his own success by poor decision making and ball security issues in Grossman. In the 3 game Beckoning, we saw a slightly different offense, more boots, more rollouts than we saw with Grossman. The biggest issue is none of them have been any good. Adaptability of the offense or a willingness to 'change' the offense is not an issue, it's talk radio show fodder.

To the question from the OP, I think it will be a new look for us because we will see more boots, more designed rollouts, more spread concepts but the core of the offense will be the same but better.

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[quote=SBXVII;904177]3- MS and KS just don't seem the type to change what their doing for their QBs sake, ie; McNabb, Beck. I think they will keep the offense the same but use RG3's speed with a lot more roll outs and bootlegs. That should open up the down field shots since the defense will have to put one guy to shadow RG3.[/quote]

Why do people keep saying crap like this when history shows otherwise? They've adapted their system to each QB they've had in the system.

Plummer, Griese, Cutler, Grossman, McNabb, and Beck.


I mean, didn't you notice we did very little roll out with Rex at the helm, but as soon as Beck came in, we started bootlegging a bit? Come on man, keep up.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904233]Why do people keep saying crap like this when history shows otherwise? They've adapted their system to each QB they've had in the system.

Plummer, Griese, Cutler, Grossman, McNabb, and Beck.


I mean, didn't you notice we did very little roll out with Rex at the helm, but as soon as Beck came in, we started bootlegging a bit? Come on man, keep up.[/quote]

You can kinda tell people who actually are football fans and those who are talk radio fans, can't you?

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[quote=30gut;904077]You mean for what you want to see or what you expect to see?
It maybe a sublime a distinction but I think the Brees/Payton relationship is different from what I'm suggesting with a rookie QB.
Brees chose what he liked from within Payton's playbook.
I'm thinking more along the lines of adding to the playbook based on Griffin's college offense ala Rob Chudzinski and Cam Newton.[/quote]

I expect and want to see the same offense with RG3 at least as a rookie.

However I would be more then fine with some 3 or 4 wide shotgun sets with a couple run-option-pass thrown in there. I still think though that if the Shanahan experiment fails in 2 or 3 years then the next coach should come in and build a new offense from the ground up with major input from RG3 or whatever they did with Chudzinski and Newton in Carolina.

Either way I'm very comfortable with the idea of RG3 going under center and giving the other team a steady dose of bootlegs, zone runs, and play action fakes. In fact as I've been saying all along those bootlegs with RG3 are going to help open some great cutback lanes for our backs on zone runs.

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Plain and simple, I just want to see the 'skins score 30+ points a ball game.

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[quote=skinsguy;904364]Plain and simple, I just want to see the 'skins score 30+ points a ball game.[/quote]how nice would that be

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[quote=Dirtbag59;904358]I expect and want to see the same offense with RG3 at least as a rookie.

However I would be more then fine with some 3 or 4 wide shotgun sets with a couple run-option-pass thrown in there. I still think though that if the Shanahan experiment fails in 2 or 3 years then the next coach should come in and build a new offense from the ground up with major input from RG3 or whatever they did with Chudzinski and Newton in Carolina.

Either way I'm very comfortable with the idea of RG3 going under center and giving the other team a steady dose of bootlegs, zone runs, and play action fakes. In fact as I've been saying all along those bootlegs with RG3 are going to help open some great cutback lanes for our backs on zone runs.[/quote]I'm torn.
I [I][B]love[/B][/I] Mike's Denver WCO.
When I think of the Mike's DWCO (bootleg/bootswap) I wonder if Kyle can ever fully commit to the run focused football that style of offense requires.


Kyle playcalling pallet has always leaned towards the pass.
And I'm not saying the above as good/bad value judgement but as an observation.
As long as Kyle is the OC I think we'll always pass the ball more.
And if we're going to pass more then why not run more spread?
Kyle has already shown some spread looks, why not take the offense further in that direction like the Bills, Bengals, Patriots and Packers?
And if Kyle is gonna add spread components why not bring them in from Baylor's offense?
Particularly the 5 wide empty sets.

Question:
Do you think Cam would have been as productive and dynamic in a traditional pro-style offense?

Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
 

[quote=30gut;904450]I'm torn.
I [I][B]love[/B][/I] Mike's Denver WCO.
When I think of the Mike's DWCO (bootleg/bootswap) I wonder if Kyle can ever fully commit to the run focused football that style of offense requires.


Kyle playcalling pallet has always leaned towards the pass.
And I'm not saying the above as good/bad value judgement but as an observation.
As long as Kyle is the OC I think we'll always pass the ball more.
And if we're going to pass more then why not run more spread?
Kyle has already shown some spread looks, why not take the offense further in that direction like the Bills, Bengals, Patriots and Packers?
And if Kyle is gonna add spread components why not bring them in from Baylor's offense?
Particularly the 5 wide empty sets.

Question:
Do you think Cam would have been as productive and dynamic in a traditional pro-style offense?[/quote]

Oh that reminds me, if the plan is to use the offense Kyle used in Houston with Schuab with lots of traditional 3-5-7 step drops then no, I don't want the same.

However if Kyle incorporates more of his Dad's concepts, like doing stuff off bootlegs and focusing on establishing the run then I would definitely want to see the same offense.

I mean either way Kyle is going to call the plays the question is which style is he going to use. Personally I imagine that he's going to want to move RG3 around and the reason it was more traditional in Houston (and Washington to an extent) was due to Schuab's (Grossman's) limited mobility.