Griffin's Impact on our Offense
 

Assuming we draft Griffin, how will it impact our offense this upcoming season, scheme and personnel wise

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With RG3 ability, the offense has the potential to get in the endzone and improve greatly on the 18 points average per game from last season. In college, RG3 has shown not only the potential to run for first downs when pass plays break down and he's unable to find an open receiver, but he has the ability to rush for long gains and outrun defenses all the way to the end zone. Even on the NFL level, expect to see a lot of that from him. Also unlike Rex Grossman, our other RG3, expect Griffin III to not throw a lot of INTs. He only threw 17 interceptions in 4 years at Baylor. In addition to seeing the offense run a lot smoother, I expect to see a lot less turnovers.

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I expect to see our run game have a big impact this season between Helu, Royster, and Griffin. Even if he doesn't run that much defenses have to respect the threat of the run, especially with him being the dual weapon that he is. And I have confidence that if teams force him to beat them with the pass, then he can step up and do that too. I don't expect our coaches to throw the whole playbook at him early, but I do expect them to teach him at his own pace.

Whether that's fast or slow remains to be seen, but he seems like a smart kid from all impressions I've gotten so far. I think the speed of the NFL game might suprise him at some point, but he's got speed of his own so I don't think we'll see the Beck deer-in-headlights look we saw last season. Right now I don't think he'll have a Cam Newton type season, but I do expect an above-average rookie season from him. With any luck hopefully we'll be right around .500 at the end of the season, and he could possibly suprise with a 10 win season if his learning curve is minimal and he comes out slinging.

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just the whole tempo should be greatly improved. we didnt get a lot of delay penalties last season. but it did seem like the play clock was always inside 5 seconds

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I think Griffin's impact on the offense will be limited to how healthy our offensive line as currently fielded stays. And then subsequently how he adjusts when 1-2 of them inevitably get injured. If he can prolong plays after the pocket breaks down, then the wideouts will certainly benefit.

I predict a very good year for our tight ends.

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[quote=dmek25;907511]just the whole tempo should be greatly improved. we didnt get a lot of delay penalties last season. but it did seem like the play clock was always inside 5 seconds[/quote]

I thought starting the play with less than 5 seconds was one of the pacing goals of an offense? Controls the clock, and keeps their offense off the field.

We should actually have an offense for once. I'd say around 24 ppg

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[quote=Monksdown;907514]I thought starting the play with less than 5 seconds was one of the pacing goals of an offense? Controls the clock, and keeps their offense off the field.[/quote]
my school of thought is getting to the line, so adjustments can be made. and keeps defenses on their heels, as far as substitutions. and with RG ball control is out. throws a beautiful long ball. should be more quick strike scores

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Fewer turnovers + greater playmaking ability + greater big play potential = more opportunity to score. And keeps the defense off the field longer.

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Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]

No, ceiling for pocket passers is higher than run first quarterbacks.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]

No way! Cam Newton is Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III is Robert Griffin III. These are two young quarterbacks who have the potential to be great in the future. That's like asking if the Rams and the Colts should execute a trade by swapping Andrew Luck and Sam Bradford? No, because it's needless. RG3 and Newton are each special in their own way.

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I would with hold judgement until I see how RGIII's talents are utilized.

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Echoing a couple of things said earlier here, his biggest impact IMO will be on the running game. With a QB that can threaten the edge, the backside end must stay at home as well as the backside LB on some reads. This allows the backside tackle to get out on the MLB which can open up huge cutback lanes for the back. Helu has the potential to break off some huge runs if he can get to the second level quickly and is one on one with a safety.

Once the running game is productive, that opens up the play action and boot action passing game, which Griffin excels in. With his accuracy and deep ball arm, the opportunities for big plays should be plentiful.

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Interesting article/analysis on RGIII. Never heard of the Lewin Career Forecast before, but Griffin just scored the highest mark EVER.

[B][U]Player Year LCF[/U][/B]
Robert Griffin 2012 2530
Philip Rivers 2004 2476
Drew Brees 2001 2190
Colt McCoy 2010 2092
Carson Palmer 2003 1973
Peyton Manning 1998 1784
Andrew Luck 2012 1749
Chad Pennington 2000 1678
Brady Quinn 2007 1518
Jason Campbell 2005 1506


[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012[/url]

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[quote=Monksdown;907544]No, ceiling for pocket passers is higher than run first quarterbacks.[/quote]

This. I don't want Griffin to think run unless the pocket collapses. Something along the lines of Steve Young or Steve McNair. I think that's what we'll see...

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IMO RG3 is very intelligent he will probably pick-up most of our Offense fearly quickly, but the thing that will get him is the differenet defensive coverages he will see, that's whats going to take him more time to adapt to atleast a year or 2.

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[quote=SmootSmack;907495]Assuming we draft Griffin, how will it impact our offense this upcoming season, scheme and personnel wise[/quote]

Its gonna be interesting.
On one hand you have Kyle pass 1st playcalling which results in about 60/40 pass run split.
Griffin's physical talents as a passer would actually support/justify Kyle's pass 1st playcalling.
If the offense stays exactly the same we could see better execution and more explosive plays.

Griffin's running ability is the flip side to the coin.
Griff poses a huge threat the backside contain (DE/OLB) which will slow or prevent the backside pursuit which should make it easier to run the ball.
No team is gonna want to get caught with their backside contain crashing down only to see Griffin keep the ball on a bootleg because something like this could be the result:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voXDOEJcz8g[/ame]

With the defense forced to play Griff honest it will make it easier to run the ball.
If its easier to run the ball then Kyle might call more run plays which would bring balance to the playcalling and make the play action/boot action passing game much more effective.

But then again, Kyle could emerse himseld in Art Briles offense and emerge with an offense that favors the formations and concepts from Baylor's offense.
And the result could be something like the Bills, Lions, Packers and Panthers all shotgun spread all the time.

Guys cam is NOT a run first QB, he's pass first

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say what you will, but griffin makes the redskins immediate contenders on madden 13

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[quote=los panda;907661]say what you will, but griffin makes the redskins immediate contenders on madden 13[/quote]

The Skins are going to be an online favorite for sure

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[quote=Mattyk;907666]The Skins are going to be an online favorite for sure[/quote]

yea that makes me made in a way bc i have playing with them since i can remember and now people are going to be using them all the time. i guess that means we are headed in the right direction

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;907668]yea that makes me made in a way bc i have playing with them since i can remember and now people are going to be using them all the time. i guess that means we are headed in the right direction[/quote]it just means a fast qb

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[quote=skinsfaninok;907653]Guys cam is NOT a run first QB, he's pass first[/quote]

Not even sure where you get this idea from. In many games, he has just as many rushes as DeAngelo Williams did.

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He also threw for 4000 yards, let's just call him a dual threat.

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[quote=Mattyk;907675]He also threw for 4000 yards, let's just call him a dual threat.[/quote]

He threw for 4,000 yards because his team was constantly down by many points which forced them to throw the ball the whole time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;907677]He threw for 4,000 yards because his team was constantly down by many points which forced them to throw the ball the whole time.[/quote]Couldn't you make this same argument for every QB in the NFL? Its a spurious attempt to deny Cam credit.
[quote=NC_Skins;907673]Not even sure where you get this idea from. In many games, he has just as many rushes as DeAngelo Williams did.[/quote]
It reads like you are drinking a tall glass of hateraide.
Why not give credit when its due?

A high number of rushing attempts doesn't mean that Cam is run first QB.
It means that his team wisely calls more designed runs then most teams, especially in the redzone and can you blame them?
I watched quite a few Panthers games and Cam is reluctant to leave the pocket by choice but when he does leave he just so happens to be a dynamic runner.

Lets put Cam's production in perspective:
Cam Newton= 35 TDs passing/rushinh
Redskins (as a team)= 27

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[quote=NC_Skins;907677]He threw for 4,000 yards because his team was constantly down by many points which forced them to throw the ball the whole time.[/quote]

I know you still have egg on your face from predicting Cam would be a bust but c'mon, the kid broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing record for crying out loud. Give credit where it's due. Nobody likes a hatter.

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i certainly can't groove w a mad hatter

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I must say in all reason......it does explain why that bum, Marino pitched it for like 80k.....right?

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[quote=Mattyk;907684]I know you still have egg on your face from predicting Cam would be a bust but c'mon, the kid broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing record for crying out loud. Give credit where it's due. Nobody likes a hatter.[/quote]

FTW. Seriously.

[QUOTE=los panda;907670]it just means a fast qb[/QUOTE]

Which is the right direction, the way the game has evolved.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]


Sorry man, I am impressed with Cam, but would never want to trade for him over Robert. I thought he would be a dud in the NFL, but at Auburn he had a totally stacked team. Robert had a good squad at Baylor, but they couldn't ever hang with the bigger programs like LSU, Bama, and the new Ohio State. Without RG III Baylor would have been average and maybe not even bowl bound last season.

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I exspect big things from our offense. 1st thing I think the running game will be in the top 5 of the league. The combination of RGIII, Hightower, Helu, Royster and Rainey (Yes I'm calling Chris being drafted by us) will be hard to stop. Each player brings something different.

The passing game will certaintly rely on the recievers ability to get open break the jam and seperate from the defense. Last years our guys couldn't do that. I think Cooley will be healthy and the speed on the field will hard to manage.

Whether we can beat the blitz will be the most important part. Because of how dangerous we can be- teams will bring the heat. The goal will be to hit RGIII every play whether has the ball or not. How will he respond to that? Time will tell.

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[quote=los panda;907661]say what you will, but griffin makes the redskins immediate contenders on madden 13[/quote]

He will be a universe better than Grossman was on Madden 12. OMG I got my nephew Madden 12 for Xmas and he totally kicked my ass. He has beaten me in the past, but he was always the Patriots and I would be nice and stick to the 4-3, but man this was totally different. He played me as the Lions and Grossman couldn't even get the ball off before Suh and co sacked his ass. It would be a miracle if I could just get the ball off. I couldn't run the ball either, which killed me Pretty realistic, but man Grossman was slow as molasses. With RG III, I am hoping for more air it out duels with my nephew. Those were fun. I would make JC look twice as good as Manning back in the day playing my brother.

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[quote=Mattyk;907684]I know you still have egg on your face from predicting Cam would be a bust but c'mon, the kid broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing record for crying out loud. Give credit where it's due. Nobody likes a hatter.[/quote]

I gave the guy credit all throughout the year. It still doesn't change what I said in regards to how he amassed 4,000 yards. It's like those Jason Campbell fans that talked about how he would end up the game with 250 yards passing, but over 1/2 of those stats always came in the last quarter when the team was down 2 or more scores. We call that garbage time/stats. Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady didn't get 4k yards in season from playing from behind in many of their games.


Cam Newton isn't a franchise QB yet. I even said we really won't know until year 3 what the deal is with him.

What's the hate on cam Newton for? All the kid did was bust his ass and shut up doubters and crush rookie QB records.. and to say he's not pass first? 4000 yards??

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I see our offense with RG3 almost as capable of moving the ball as any team in the NFC. Minus experience at qb , our skill postion as as talented as any team in the NFC . We may not have that C Johnson or L Fitzgerald at WR , however have 2 TE's , and 4 WR's to go along w/ Helu Royster @ RB , we should have a number of big plays . We may need Moss to stay fresh all year , or either Hankerson , Armstrong or Paul to really step up their game to make us scary . I really think OLine is the key , if we can run early and often , and even have RG3 make some 20 yd games , Shanny should be able to execute his game plan well enough to sweep the turds and iggles . Wishing J. Brown and Kory to be @ 100 % this year along with Cooley . By the way , as I looked at the rosters of the 2011 playoff teams , QB was the only skill position that stood out as far as difference in talent ?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]

Hell yes. CN is a mountain of a man who's size alone makes him more desirable than RGIII. Plus he's proven he can be successful in the NFL. There is absolutely no comparison between CN and RGIII.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;907540]Lets say we drafted RG3 yesterday.
Would you trade him straight up for Cam newton?[/quote]I love Robert Griffin's skillset.
But I would trade him in an instant for Cam Newton.