Who's better
 

Ryan Clark, or Matt Bowen. Clark during the season layed the wood on deep recievers and had decent coverage skills (3rd on team in tackels) , whille bowen can't cover a damn thing and knows how to blitz and run stop who would u start and why? :confused-

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Ryan Clark, or Matt Bowen. Clark during the season layed the wood on deep recievers and had decent coverage skills (3rd on team in tackels) , whille bowen can't cover a damn thing and knows how to blitz and run stop who would u start and why? :confused-[/QUOTE]
I dont think that either is anything to write home about. I seem to remember Ryan Clark getting burned alot in the year. I say Bowen if I am forced to. Just because with our defensive scheme, more times than not, one of our safeties is up to help with the run or to apply pressure to the QB. And Sean is definitely fast enough to play centerfield all by himself if he has to on probable run plays, and blitz packages.

As hard as it is to say, I'll have to go with Bowen. This is the most difficult thing I have ever had to admit. It's a sad-sad day in history.

I say next year we put our best ass kicker in their for blitzing and run support. I think our other safety might be able to handle the outfield all by himself. What's that guy's name again.... oh yeah Taylor he's pretty decent from what I remember.

Clark is the better all-around safety in my opinion. Bowen shined in week 1 coming on blitzes, but he still seems to be a liability in coverage. I wish we got to see more of Bowen this year to see how he would have progressed, but then again we wouldn't have had the chance to see Clark as much.

Don't forget about Lott either.

I think Sean Taylor should try out for the Nationals

Matty:

I agree. I like Lott the best of the three.

Forced to choose between Clark and Bowen, I would take Clark by a narrow margin because as people here have said, Bowen can't cover a snowman.

if bowen wasn't asked to cover someone one on one i would rather have him in the game. he is better on blitzes and he's another hard hitter to go with taylor and arrington.

We can blitz ST from the safety spot so I say Clark. For the money and the coverage. Plus I am still pissed Bown cost us a draft pick!!! Like others have said, I also like Lott better then both of them.

I think Lott is the best over all...
I love Bowen though. He looks like a damn serial killer with his shaved head and hits like he's actually trying to damage the guy. Can't have enough big hitters on our team...that was one of our biggest assets this year. After about the 4th or 5th week teams realized that even if they came in and were able to score some points the Skins would hit the crap out of them and make em pay for it. I'll never forget Pinkston pulling a "Sally wants his mommy!!" in that second eagles game. Never ever.

We could get another SS to compete with what we have. Drafting one on the later rounds might work.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]We can blitz ST from the safety spot so I say Clark. For the money and the coverage. Plus I am still pissed Bown cost us a draft pick!!! Like others have said, I also like Lott better then both of them.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding. We need ST playing outfield, picking passes and putting guys out for a couple games with bruised ribs. Blitz our non-covering safeties and make the QB decide between attempting to throw downfield with Willie freaking Mays making plays out there or holding onto the ball as the safety rips his nuts off.

Change of subject. When do we finally get to demote Bugel to just O-line Coach. And get a real offensive coordinator in here.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Are you kidding. We need ST playing outfield, picking passes and putting guys out for a couple games with bruised ribs. Blitz our non-covering safeties and make the QB decide between attempting to throw downfield with Willie freaking Mays making plays out there or holding onto the ball as the safety rips his nuts off.[/QUOTE]


You don't blitz the safety every play. He has the speed to get back into coverage if he comes up to the line to scare some people. Watch highlights of the Bears game.....they blitz him already, he had his first sack and FF in that game on a blitz.

I am with Matty on this one, Clark put more hit's on guy's in the secondary than Bowen has since he joined the team Clark is far better in coverage, Bowen had some nice sack's before he was hurt but that is all he's really good for and I feel we could get someone with more size and speed to do that, I feel we should draft a player maybe an undersized LB or an oversized corner and work him in back there William's will make him into a better saftey than either one of Clark or Bowen. But defiently Clark over Bowen but both will see significant time if all thing's remain the same.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]You don't blitz the safety every play. He has the speed to get back into coverage if he comes up to the line to scare some people. Watch highlights of the Bears game.....they blitz him already, he had his first sack and FF in that game on a blitz.[/QUOTE]
I know you don't blitz every play. My point is that Taylor's real value is not blitzing. It's making plays in pass defense. Blitzing as a safety does not take much skill other than being able to run and beat an RB chip block. From my recollection he blitzed less than the other safeties but I can't be sure of it. Either way he is a beast

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Are you kidding. We need ST playing outfield, picking passes and putting guys out for a couple games with bruised ribs. Blitz our non-covering safeties and make the QB decide between attempting to throw downfield with Willie freaking Mays making plays out there or holding onto the ball as the safety rips his nuts off.






i could not agree with you more. thats why i like bowen on the blitz and taylor playing the field.

both are imperfect players, but high effort guys. bowen is much more apt to make a spectacular play because of his raw speed, but is still a major liability in the defense because he takes such poor angles while closing. he tries to kill people and misses a lot of tackles for that reason. i do not know if that is something you can ever teach someone. it has to be an instinctive thing and once a defensive player starts thinking rather than reacting, he will always be a step or more slow. that is why bowen is an effective blitzer.. he just goes.

on the other hand, clark is a killer against the run. despite his small size, he plays the run like a linebacker and is able to shoot the gap and take down the back in the backfield before the play even starts. he is a total non factor against the pass. he is too small to match up against tight ends, and despite having played corner in college, he has very limited coverage skills. we are talking purely a zone player here, and one who has to be hidden from the offense. still, he seldom if ever was out of position, and is a sure tackler even in the secondary. both guys play fine special teams, but that is where bowen got hurt.

lott is the mystery one. he should have better coverage skills because he played a fair amount of corner in college. and he should be a tackler because he has the size to play safety effectively. but he seems to lack a basic feel for the game. always a step slow and he seldom makes plays either in pass coverage or against the run. my guess is that unless he progresses to a whole new level, he could be the odd player out.

when it comes down to it, what i would prefer the skins to do is to sign a veteran safety to complement taylor. just look at the value that harrison brought to the pats in solidifying the secondary. the chargers thought he was too slow and washed up. they essentially gave up on him. that is the type of guy the skins should keep an eye out for. then they could end up keeping the best out of clark, bowen and lott and dropping the other 2.

one final guy to keep an eye on is dennard wilson. he was having a terrific camp until he broke his ankle. it will be interesting to see if he can pick up where he left off.

I guess that's why Greg Williams said he thought within a couple years Sean Taylor would be the best blitzer on the team and one of the best in the NFL. He's fast and hits like a tank, as much as I love WRs getting beat up, I much prefer watching a QB crawl to the sidelines in agony. I know everyone here is too politically correct to say it, but you want hard hits for that VERY reason. Make them pay and think twice!

I feel that you should be able to bring one safety and trust the other one in the back. Both guys have uses, but as far as a starter goes I go ST FS and Lott SS. If Lott isn't an option, as the poll states, gotta go with Clark. He's less of a liability. Bowen should certainly be mixed in. We have a lot of very good safeties: Taylor, Lott, Clark, Bowen, Franz in that order, and I think Franz is pretty damn good for being last. The way we blitz, having Bowen unable to cover Springs/Smoots man when they blitz could lead to BIG plays. ST is a ballhawk, without a doubt, but the more we move him around, the more oppurtunities we'll get. Any team that's not coached by SC will soon be gameplanning around Taylor, if they don't know where he is, it helps a lot!

I've added a poll for your pleasure

I think between Bowen and Clark, Bowen is the better rusher/run stoper, Clark is slightly better in coverage, although niether are great in coverage. Lott is the best in coverage out of the three. I'm a pretty big Bowen fan though, I see no need to add any more saftey's to the mix. I think between Taylor, Bowen, Clark, Lott and Franz, were set.

I like Lott best as well but what about picking up someone in the draft? Like Matt Pusateri of Miami of Ohio or Ben Emanuel of UCLA. At the corner I have heard good things from Carlos Rogers out of Auburn. He's is a corner but could move to Safety but most likely will be gone before the thrid round,

Look Bowen never makes big hits in games too often (a couple sacks) and his coverage is a weakness when he is on the field the other team is an audible away from a big play. besides Taylor is the enforcer now we need the other safety to be a good cover man. Never did like Bowen since he knocked Smoot out in practice, Smoot plays defense for christ's sake. Plus he is hurt every year. we need someone more durable like Ryan Clark plus he is younger than Bowen , Bowen should be a pro bowler by this point in his career and since he is not then he is expendable.

I feel like Taylor and Lott as starters with Clark rotating in and Bowen every now and then. Bowen looks real freaking stupid running behind slow receivers like Keyshawn Johnson as they glide into the endzone (40 plus yard touchdown!) plus like every year he will be hurt again. Chad Johnson would feast off Bowen atleast Lott would be there to tackle him after the catch and Tayler would pick the pass off.
Bowen is a hole in the secondary.

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]if bowen wasn't asked to cover someone one on one i would rather have him in the game. he is better on blitzes and he's another hard hitter to go with taylor and arrington.[/QUOTE]Can you just imagine a health Arington and Taylor in his second year their going to hurt some people.

Clark will get better and because he and Taylor can get better together, learn how play well with each other.