A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Between Roy Helu, Tim Hightower and Evan Royster we have 3 RBs capable of 100 yard production.

What do you think of each RBs style and which do you like the best?

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It's been so long since I've gotten a chance to see each back, that I've honestly forgotten what the differences are between the three. All I know is that both Helu and Royster were very effective with their running styles, and I'm not quite sure there is necessarily a best style, yet each one compliments the other. I think Hightower, if healthy, can still be a quite productive back, but I think he's going to do well to work himself back into the lineup.

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I like Royster the best. I was impressed with his 5.0 plus yard per carry average. He seems to run harder and quicker than the other two running backs do.

Helu and rg3 in the backfield is scary

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If healthy Hightower is probably still the best all-around back i.e. consistency, blocking, catching passes. Helu is the most talented of the three though, and if he/they can unlock just half his remaining potential he'll easily be the best. Helu's elusiveness and power are already superior. If his "vision" improves he'll be a dominant runner. If he also improves blocking and catching Helu is a franchise back.

Royster is a very good change-of-pace/style RB and we should expect his ypc to remain higher than his peers, but it would be a mistake to try making him our go to guy.

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I mostly expect Helu to improve noticeably over last season. One thing we know about him from college is dedication to study, train and improve. Like I said better vision of running lanes is the key for Helu to get to the next level.

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Helu is speed

Royster isn't anything special, but gets the job done.

Hightower is tough, and a great blocker.

In todays NFL you need speed. Helu is the best of the bunch.

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Helu has explosive speed and IMO he is a star in the making.
Royster has great vision,size and quick feet so no hate here.
Hightower has a lot left in the tank and can eat up yards at any given carry.
I really love this 3 headed monster that we have in the backfield on top of 2 beasts for fullbacks.
HTTR

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TH- better all around RB if healthy... (can block, catch, runs hard, great blocker, great on field leadership.)
Helu- fastest RB of the 3, elusive, can catch, and a playmaker
Royster- Downhill runner, breaks tackles, arguably the most durable of the 3

WK 1, against the Saints, I'd want to see Hightower start, and I think he should (if his knee is healthy) simply for his pass blocking; Besides his blocking, he does alot of things well, making him the more [B]complete[/B] (not talented) RB of the 3.

I'm so ****ed in my fantasy team.
I'm going to try and get all three but know whomever I start mike won't.

I like helu the best.

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Helu, Royster, and Hightower

The jab, the cross, and the uppercut.

Helu = jab- quick, effective
Royster = cross- mixture of speed and power
Hightower = uppercut- bruising, powerful, and the finisher

I like Helu the best by the way

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;917293]I'm so ****ed in my fantasy team.
I'm going to try and get all three but know whomever I start mike won't.

I like helu the best.[/quote]

Never ever draft a shanahan running back in fantasy. Even if you're forced to have one of these guys as a backup starter, you wont need to draft any of them high. Hightower might be drafted late, and Helu will only be drafted by Redskin fans. I want to be in a league where someone drafts Royster.

Word of advice, stay away from players on teams you personally route for.

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I like whoever is fitting in best with our blocking schemes and RG3. I tend to want more speed on the field with RG3 theoretically. So Helu is prob my favorite...but I'd also like our QB not to get killed so Hightower is probably our best bet in terms of blocking. Can we bring back Portis just to block for RG3?

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I really liked what we saw from Royster. He's not a big play guy but he consistently grinded out nice chunks of yards. Helu needs to stay healthy. I think all 3 guys can play significant roles.

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I need to see Helu and Hightower take a full season of pounding. Much as I like both of them, I think each may end up being less than a full game, 3 down back. Royster is solid and gets the yards available and maybe one or two more occassionally. Not exciting but keeps the chains moving - that's an important skill in a RB.

[I]If[/I] Helu can keep healthy and improves his vision - he strikes me as the playmaker of the bunch and so should be the 1st option with TH as a 3rd down/first off the bench guy. Royster comes in after Helu, RGIII and Garcon have built a 28 point half time lead to pound the opponents into submission.

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JR, the nice thing is we don't have to have one back taking the pounding all season. I'm just excited to see our running backs not tripping over their own two feet.

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To avoid being redundant, I'll take a different spin on each of their strengths...

Hightower-His best attribute is effort. He's not the fastest, not the quickest or shiftiest. He also doesn't do anything GREAT but he does lots of things really well. He's got a nice short distance burst so he can get through holes. He catches well enough to be conscious of but not concerned with as a defense. He's is a tenacious blocker which is all effort and technique. He sets up his cuts well by maintaining good balance.

Helu-His best attribute (other than speed) is getting the extra yard. It took me a while to come around on this part of his game last season but I noticed that almost every time he falls forward. Getting that forward lean and push can get a few extra yards per game and extend drives. He also has excellent balance but his main shortcoming leads me into Royster's strength...

Royster-His best attribute is vision. He seems to find holes and cutback lanes better than either Helu or Hightower. With our scheme, holes appear and disappear quickly and a runner needs to be able to make a quick decision and hit it quickly. Royster showed that ability as his carries increased. He lacks home run speed or elite balance and fell at a Portis like rate. If Helu had his vision or Royster had his athleticism, we would have a superstar.

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Royster does tend to lose his balance a lot, hopefully he can improve on that.

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[quote=Mattyk;917333]Royster does tend to lose his balance a lot, hopefully he can improve on that.[/quote]

He's got CP's disease. It just took CP 5000 yards to lose his balance(get scared).

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i like hightower's style the best.

who the hell ran the ball for us in week 8 vs the bills?
*i really just completely forgot about torain. i was looking at the game logs for hightower, helu, and royster

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[quote=skinsguy;917280]It's been so long since I've gotten a chance to see each back, that I've honestly forgotten what the differences are between the three. All I know is that both Helu and Royster were very effective with their running styles, and I'm not quite sure there is necessarily a best style, yet each one compliments the other. I think Hightower, if healthy, can still be a quite productive back, but I think he's going to do well to work himself back into the lineup.[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJduBZg]Roy Helu and Evan Royster Rookie Highlights - YouTube[/ame]

For Hightower Google:
Week 1: Redskins-28 Giants-14 - YouTube

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^^ Good video, see alot of potential in those two guys.

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Evan, Roy or Tim? or....... RG3! RG3 will end up with more rushing yards than the other 3.

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[quote=30gut;917352][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJduBZg]Roy Helu and Evan Royster Rookie Highlights - YouTube[/url]

For Hightower Google:
Week 1: Redskins-28 Giants-14 - YouTube[/quote]

Thanks for that video 30gut. I see some GREAT things from both Helu and Royster. It looks like Helu has a bit faster burst of speed, but Royster has pretty good vision in finding the running lanes. I DO think they are a great one/two punch. Would love to see both lined up in the backfield at once! Maybe a triple option type thing with RGIII!

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[quote=scowan;917363]Evan, Roy or Tim? or....... RG3! RG3 will end up with more rushing yards than the other 3.[/quote]

We are pretty f'ed if this happens, b/c it means that RG3 will get hit a lot.

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I agree Ruh. I want to see him with a strong passing game and the threat to kill you with his feet. Strong arm, accuracy, vision, timing, and defense diagnostic skills to go with some speed that can kill you in the open field and move the chains.

I tend to agree with every one's assessments on the RBs. I like all three, and each bring something different to the table.

So is Morris moving to FB? I have not seen it confirmed.

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I like Royster the best. He has the all around talents of Hightower and the production of Helu.

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[quote=30gut;917278]Between Roy Helu, Tim Hightower and Evan Royster we have 3 RBs capable of 100 yard production.

What do you think of each RBs style and which do you like the best?[/quote]

The #1 thing I like about the 3 of them is that there are 3 of them. The days of the workhorse back are over. Super Bowls can be won with the likes of an elderly Corey Dillon, Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, etc. Young and cheap is the way to go. Any team whose highest paid player on Offense is a RB ( a la Clinton Portis) is going nowhere fast.

I vote for Helu, but say play who's healthy or who has the hot hand.

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Those highlights showed a lot of those inside toss run plays that really was an effective wrinkle to the run game. This offense is going to be amazing.

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HT (if returns to 100%) good all around back (enters camp as the best pass protector), good but not great speed, can make the quick cutback, reads the running lanes well and will make the right choice but imo cannot take a consistent pounding (I don't think any of our backs are built like that) has the mentality but doesn't have the same power to run through contact like Helu

o My favorite of the trio is Helu because of decisiveness doesn't dance or dawdle, home run speed and his surprising ability to run through contact and break some tackles, can make the quick cutback

o I think Royster is the more fluid runner then Helu (imo Helu moves aren't as quick and tend to be somewhat herky-jerky but still very effective none the less) Evan has the best ability small area elusiveness however I think Royster lacks true home run speed and isn't as tough as runner

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[quote=30gut;917352][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJduBZg]Roy Helu and Evan Royster Rookie Highlights - YouTube[/url]

For Hightower Google:
Week 1: Redskins-28 Giants-14 - YouTube[/quote]

great highlights. Thanks

Watching them it sure seemed like our line was doing a good job of creating lanes at the line of scrimmage, and the runners did a good job of breaking the first guy's tackle.

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[quote=vallin21;917292]TH- better all around RB if healthy... (can block, catch, runs hard, great blocker, great on field leadership.)
Helu- fastest RB of the 3, elusive, can catch, and a playmaker
Royster- Downhill runner, breaks tackles, arguably the most durable of the 3[/quote]

I agree with this assessment.

I guess I like TH more than most on this board because he is a (almost) complete RB. I say almost because he doesn't provide much punch as a short yardage runner.

Helu has a lot of upside. It's up to him hwo good he wants to become. I'd like to see more long runs from him this season because I think he is capable of breaking some of them.

I'm not the biggest fan of Royster who I think is a plodder. Nevertheless, I must admit that he played much better than I thought he would/could last season. He deserves a lot of credit for that. Hopefully, he'll continue to improve.

I'm excited about Morris. I want to see what he can do for the Skins, particularly in short yardage and on ST.

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In Royster's two games he started, he had 245 yds on over 6 yds a carry. I'm not a fan of Helu's style as he seems to get a big run or get shut down, and hightower is coming of an ACL. My vote is Royster.

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I will share this little bit about Royster. I grew up in the Northern VA area. Evan Royster was a star RB in the area from Westfield. There was a rumor going around the area that Royster was 'soft' and didn't like contact. I couldn't confirm or dispute that rumor. A few years passed and Royster was in the Rose Bowl, and most caries he got he ran toward the sidelines. Then he had that 'knee injury' in that game. I heard that his knee injury wasn't nothing more than a bruise on his knee. TV said it was an MCL sprain. But then those rumors came up again "Roysters soft" (from the NoVA crowd). Again these are rumors nothing is confirmed, nothing is denied, because theres some decent evidence on him. We drafted him last year and when I talked to my neighbor who works for the skins, I asked him what they thought of Royster. He said something along the lines of "We love him, we just hope he toughens up." Last year when Royster played I saw nothing definitive of him being shy of contact, nor dispute it either. (I did see his eyes get as big as his head when vince wilfork came jumping on him drawing a flag, but then again anyone in the league will be afraid of a 350lb man jumping on them while laying down.)

point is there is a possible question mark about a player on our team that may not like contact which is a huge problem in our league for a player at his position.

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^^What you've said above pretty much constitutes character assassination for a RB

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I don't recall seeing anything from him last year indicating he shies away from contact.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;917465]I will share this little bit about Royster. I grew up in the Northern VA area. Evan Royster was a star RB in the area from Westfield. There was a rumor going around the area that Royster was 'soft' and didn't like contact. I couldn't confirm or dispute that rumor. A few years passed and Royster was in the Rose Bowl, and most caries he got he ran toward the sidelines. Then he had that 'knee injury' in that game. I heard that his knee injury wasn't nothing more than a bruise on his knee. TV said it was an MCL sprain. But then those rumors came up again "Roysters soft" (from the NoVA crowd). Again these are rumors nothing is confirmed, nothing is denied, because theres some decent evidence on him. We drafted him last year and when I talked to my neighbor who works for the skins, I asked him what they thought of Royster. He said something along the lines of "We love him, we just hope he toughens up." Last year when Royster played I saw nothing definitive of him being shy of contact, nor dispute it either. (I did see his eyes get as big as his head when vince wilfork came jumping on him drawing a flag, but then again anyone in the league will be afraid of a 350lb man jumping on them while laying down.)

point is there is a possible question mark about a player on our team that may not like contact which is a huge problem in our league for a player at his position.[/quote]

I suppose there are "soft" RBs in the league, but in this day where teams are mostly unwilling to pay long term for damaged goods, and for RBs in general(except true superstars), I don't know that the extra 1 to 2 yards gained, assuming it's not purposely missing a firstdown, is worth getting lit up by a LB crashing down on you. We as fans love the big hits, but I would rather see a back stay upright and step out then take a hit that is obviously coming.

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[quote=Mattyk;917621]I don't recall seeing anything from him last year indicating he shies away from contact.[/quote]

Yeah nothing jumps out to me either. Lets hope he isn't shy of contact, but if he is, he needs to go. Because like people say that's one of the key characteristics of a RB. Btw, I forgot to mention that the Rose Bowl game that Royster took himself out of was against a highly acclaimed USC Defense with several NFL starters and big hitters (Maualuga, Cushing, Matthews, Taylor Mays, Fili Mola, Everson Griffen).

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...does anyone smell a lil hateraide?

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I haven't noticed Royster avoid contact, but it's not a worry regardless. Mike wouldn't stand for it, he expects his guys to play physical and obviously the RB has to run hard. Mike has always gotten great production from his runners. And he added another RB in this year's draft...I think we're pretty set at RB (because it's Mike S)