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Question is, does anybody really care?

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Matty, what does NHL stand for? :party-smi

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No Hockey League...

however, they are still trying to make some sort of compromise before tomorrow's press conference...the players finally agreed to a salary cap, but are 12 million apart from what the owners want...

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I might miss it come playoff time, but I asked some of my friends who are diehard fans and they all say they don't miss it even half as much as they thought they would.

So what do we consider the four major sports leagues now? Used to be given that you'd say NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. Now who's in that 4th slot? NASCAR? NCAA? PGA?

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]No Hockey League...

however, they are still trying to make some sort of compromise before tomorrow's press conference...the players finally agreed to a salary cap, but are 12 million apart from what the owners want...[/QUOTE]

Didn't the players agree to a salary cap over a month ago though?

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]I might miss it come playoff time, but I asked some of my friends who are diehard fans and they all say they don't miss it even half as much as they thought they would.

So what do we consider the four major sports leagues now? Used to be given that you'd say NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. Now who's in that 4th slot? NASCAR? NCAA? PGA?[/QUOTE]


I'd go with NCAA. College basketball and football get way more attention than NASCAR.

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NFL is the king of the major sports.

I used to be a big fan of the NBA back in the day but not anymore, I rarely watch even in the playoffs.

I also used to be a big Mets fan when I was a kid, now I can barely sit through an entire inning. Playoff time is different though, I'll watch during the playoffs.

I was never a big fan of hockey, it's much better live than on TV. I like to go to AHL games once in a while.

NCAA basketball is probably my distant 2nd favorite sport behind the NFL. You just can't beat March Madness.

I could really care less about NASCAR, I'd rather watch golf. Actually golf isn't all that bad, I really like to watch the Masters.

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I am probably one of the few that care that there will be no hockey this year. While I didn't anxiously await NHL highlights on ESPN, it was fun to attend some games. Gary Bettman is the worst commissioner in all of pro sports. He has no regard for any hockey traditions and has steered the league on the brink of collapse.

On a side note it is a shame all of the people that are left without jobs because of this lockout. I'm talking about the little guys, the beer sellers, ticket takers, or businesses that benefitted when there was a game going on nearby. I read a story on how all the workers at the factory that makes hockey pucks were laid off. I also wonder how those cities that helped subsidized a hockey arena feel now too.

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Yeah, I forgot that there even WAS hockey. The only reason I figured it out was because I was watching the ticker on ESPN and found it was much easier to catch the College hoops scores I wanted because NHL wasn't taking up the ticker time.

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Ehh, I like to watch the playoffs, but I'll barley notice its not on.

The only major sports that I would despratley miss if they were gone are NFL, MLB, NCAA Basketball (although I do like Football, since the Skins' are around, I'm sure I wouldnt care that much) and PGA Golf, I friggin love golf.

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I love curling. THAT is as action-packed as it gets.

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I only like the playoffs and even then I usually only watch a very small amount of it.

as far as the 4th major sport, numbers say its nascar which is rather depressing seeing as to how quite a few people r spending hours drinking and watching cars drive in a circle really fast. I know most people go for the crashes just like most hockey fans watch for the fights but that mkaes it even worse. and ncaa football would get a nod before ncaa bb just cuz this country pretty much lives and breathes football. tennis, except when serena is playing her sister or sharapova, is pretty much a forgoten sport. and then there's golf which isn't as bad to watch as I used to believe when I was younger but like many other people I usually only watch when Tiger's on the course.
so I honestly believe no other sports/leagues besides NBA, MLB, and NFL can be considered major sports/leagues anymore at this time.

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Rodeo is the next big thing. Professional Bull Riders baby!! What!

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]Rodeo is the next big thing. Professional Bull Riders baby!! What![/QUOTE]

Nah its the PBA all the way!!

of course u never know with sports now a days. I mean look how many freakin people watch the poker crap.

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]I might miss it come playoff time, but I asked some of my friends who are diehard fans and they all say they don't miss it even half as much as they thought they would.

So what do we consider the four major sports leagues now? Used to be given that you'd say NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. Now who's in that 4th slot? NASCAR? NCAA? PGA?[/QUOTE]

in terms of attendance wouldn't it be nascar. but i would like to think is is pga. someday i would really like to see mls make it into the fourth spot but who are we kidding.

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Makes my job easier.

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i miss hockey...but i can certainly live without it...

with the deadline less than 30 minutes away, looks like it will stay lights out for hockey.

matty - the first i had heard of the players accepting a salary cap was monday...that had been the biggest obstacle both sides faced throughout this whole ordeal.

NASCAR will be the 4th major sport...Golf doesn't have enough of a following, and there aren't any other sports competing for major network viewing than these 2...

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[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]in terms of attendance wouldn't it be nascar. but i would like to think is is pga. someday i would really like to see mls make it into the fourth spot but who are we kidding.[/QUOTE]


You're right in terms of attendance. When you look at fan base, Nascar is #2 overall..... and is about to pass the NFL within the next I belive its five years. I dont know what you want to consider the major sports, but both Golf and Nascar are ahead of hockey right now. If Golf keeps going the way it is, it will defintley compete a little bit too. Maybe they should change it to the big five lol... hockey a distant 6th.

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Although I wont miss it too much I watch it sometimes. My question is who is to blame after watching Bettmans press conference I think the players are being unfair. They refused to look at the books to see how much they are losing each year. The season would of been cool this year with a 28 game schedule like they talked about. They would of played hard every game. Not that they dont already but they would of had an every game counts mentality.

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[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]Although I wont miss it too much I watch it sometimes. My question is who is to blame after watching Bettmans press conference I think the players are being unfair. They refused to look at the books to see how much they are losing each year. The season would of been cool this year with a 28 game schedule like they talked about. They would of played hard every game. Not that they dont already but they would of had an every game counts mentality.[/QUOTE]


In all honesty, if there was hockey, I was going to follow the hell out of it because I think a 28 game schedule would be awsome! Oh well though, the best pro hockey team is right here in ROCHESTER, NY, baby!!

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I like that sports blog you got going on Gmanc, when are you starting your Full House blog?

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]I like that sports blog you got going on Gmanc, when are you starting your Full House blog?[/QUOTE]


I used to have one, but I maxed out the bandwith because I was updating it every thirty seconds. When Steve came back to take DJ to the prom, I was so excited and wrote so many four letter words, they had no choice but to remove me, LOL!

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]NASCAR will be the 4th major sport...




i don't consider nascar a sport. am i alone in this, i argue with my bro-in-law all the time about this.

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Guess I'm the only hockey fan here

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins][QUOTE=BDBohnzie]NASCAR will be the 4th major sport...




i don't consider nascar a sport. am i alone in this, i argue with my bro-in-law all the time about this.[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't see it as a sport but there sure r a lot of people out there who will defend it being deemed a sport very strongly. It's a skill in my opinion but not a sport and there r quite a few other "sports" that fit that category in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru][QUOTE=wolfeskins]

I honestly don't see it as a sport but there sure r a lot of people out there who will defend it being deemed a sport very strongly. It's a skill in my opinion but not a sport and there r quite a few other "sports" that fit that category in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


here we go with the skill vs. sport argument again. driving a car is a skill, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be a sport. if that were the case then hitting a 90 mph fastball is a skill not a sport. tennis, golf and bowling would no longerbe considered a sport.

basically what i am saying is that there are a lot of skills involved in sports so you can't say one is a skill and one is a sport. different skills make up a sport. hitting a curveball, returning a 120 mph serve, hitting a fairway wood to the dead center of a green 200 yards away, kicking a ball with a backward spin around a wall into the top right corner of a goal, a slapshot from outside the blue line into the top left corner of a goal. without any of these skills, we wouldn't have really have much of a sport to talk about.

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i see it this way...

i agree with NY_Skinsfan...sports are made up of a series of skills put together. not just one skill will excel you in any one sport. car racing is the same thing, and i would classify it as a team sport. without those guys in the pits, the driver is utterly lost. the driver must have the ability to not only drive the car for long distances, but also tell him pit crew what needs to be done to the car. the pit crew must be able to quickly make whatever changes that need to be done, and the crew chief must be able to plan out the race perfectly in order to put his driver out in front when it matters most.

oh, and i'm a hockey fan, who will gladly watch it when it starts up again...i may not go to another game for a while, but to me, it's one more thing that keeps me glued to the tv and not doing chores around the house ;)

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[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan][QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]


here we go with the skill vs. sport argument again. driving a car is a skill, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be a sport. if that were the case then hitting a 90 mph fastball is a skill not a sport. tennis, golf and bowling would no longerbe considered a sport.

basically what i am saying is that there are a lot of skills involved in sports so you can't say one is a skill and one is a sport. different skills make up a sport. hitting a curveball, returning a 120 mph serve, hitting a fairway wood to the dead center of a green 200 yards away, kicking a ball with a backward spin around a wall into the top right corner of a goal, a slapshot from outside the blue line into the top left corner of a goal. without any of these skills, we wouldn't have really have much of a sport to talk about.[/QUOTE]

a lot of the sports u r using in your argument of skill vs sport use a heck of a lot more physical talents than what u wrote. Baseball is not just about hitting a ball cuz there's a heck of a lot of actual running around to do as well. Same thing goes for tennis, hockey, and especially soccer, I mean have u seen how freakin huge pro and olympic size fields r? Golf is the only one I agree with and I don't necessarily consider it a sport either. It's basically great vision and training yourself to have a consistent swing and a strong putting game. Sure they walk around a lot but I hope no one tells me walking is a sport now, it's an activity. The same goes for bowling, which I love and have religiously played for years. It's not a sport but the training of the body to move your body in a precise motion every time. It's a lot harder to do well consistently than some people imagine but its still not as physically demanding as sports like football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and others. And nascar IMO is guys driving around in a circle for a long time really fast. It requires u to have great concentration and some decent endurance and I personally don't understand how it gets deemed a sport by some.
Of course that's just how I feel on the subject and there will always be a discussion and debate similar to this cuz everyone's personal definition isn't 100% like the person next to them.

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first of all, i never said that baseball was just hitting a ball. I know there is a lot more to baseball. the point that i was trying to convey was that a sport is not just something that is physically demanding. a sport requires a set of skills. yes, some sports are more physically demanding than others but that doesn't make those less demanding less of a sport. i just don't understand the point of separating the activitities into sports and nonsports. they all require different levels skills at different levels of physical activity. and if you ask any nascar driver out there, i guarantee you they will say that their sport is very physically demanding.

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[QUOTE=Cush]Guess I'm the only hockey fan here[/QUOTE]


No, dude, I'm just still too upsety to even talk about it.

I'm a Red Wings fan and the thought of Shanny, Stevie Y and others just fading into the sunset instead of going out in a blaze sickens me. :vomit-smi

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru][QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]

a lot of the sports u r using in your argument of skill vs sport use a heck of a lot more physical talents than what u wrote. Baseball is not just about hitting a ball cuz there's a heck of a lot of actual running around to do as well. Same thing goes for tennis, hockey, and especially soccer, I mean have u seen how freakin huge pro and olympic size fields r? Golf is the only one I agree with and I don't necessarily consider it a sport either. It's basically great vision and training yourself to have a consistent swing and a strong putting game. Sure they walk around a lot but I hope no one tells me walking is a sport now, it's an activity. The same goes for bowling, which I love and have religiously played for years. It's not a sport but the training of the body to move your body in a precise motion every time. It's a lot harder to do well consistently than some people imagine but its still not as physically demanding as sports like football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and others. And nascar IMO is guys driving around in a circle for a long time really fast. It requires u to have great concentration and some decent endurance and I personally don't understand how it gets deemed a sport by some.
Of course that's just how I feel on the subject and there will always be a discussion and debate similar to this cuz everyone's personal definition isn't 100% like the person next to them.[/QUOTE]

To me the question is not "skill"; it's "does the activity in question rely on physical prowess and can you determine the winner by completely objective means: i.e. who crossed the finish line first, who jumped the highest or who knocked down the most pins (under my definition, bowling is a sport, diving is not). The only need for "judges" is to be sure that the objective measurements are accurate (to review the photo finish in a race and determine who crossed the line first, the distance jumped was accurately measured, etc. - admittedly, some subjectivity can creep into these determination but the intent is to determine accuracy not to render a mainly subjective opinion and use it as the basis for scoring).

Under this criteria, NASCAR is a sport. Driving a race car at top speed for an extended period of time is physically grueling and, to do it safely and well, requires any number of top physical skills.

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well like I said in my other other, this is just something a lot of people have varying personal standards that make the term of sport different for each person. I'm not denying the skill that goes into several of the activities, but I personally just don't view them as full blown sports. Cuz from previous discussions I've had with people about this, their definition would also include activities like chess, darts, pool, and the freakin spelling bee.

But there's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree on some things ;)

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my thinking is very similar to yours skinsfan, i don't think nascar is a sport, the car does most of the work, yes they tinker with it here and there and someone sits behind the steering wheel to steer it and make it stop or go fast but essentially the motor is doing the hard labor. i drive to work everyday, i sometimes have to plan out my course and time it will take me to get there ( strategy ), depending on the weather or traffic conjestion etc...............( track conditions ), sometimes i have to stop along the way for food,drink,fix my jeep.etc.....( pitstop ), sometimes a person will call me to tell me that a cop is shooting radar on a particular road (spotter ). i don't consider me driving to work a sport.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]my thinking is very similar to yours skinsfan, i don't think nascar is a sport, the car does most of the work, yes they tinker with it here and there and someone sits behind the steering wheel to steer it and make it stop or go fast but essentially the motor is doing the hard labor. i drive to work everyday, i sometimes have to plan out my course and time it will take me to get there ( strategy ), depending on the weather or traffic conjestion etc...............( track conditions ), sometimes i have to stop along the way for food,drink,fix my jeep.etc.....( pitstop ), sometimes a person will call me to tell me that a cop is shooting radar on a particular road (spotter ). i don't consider me driving to work a sport.[/QUOTE]

I suppose you drive to work over a 100 mph then. that's pretty impressive.

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[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]I suppose you drive to work over a 100 mph then. that's pretty impressive.




oh ! because they drive fast , it's a sport. thanks for clearing that up.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins][QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]I suppose you drive to work over a 100 mph then. that's pretty impressive.




oh ! because they drive fast , it's a sport. thanks for clearing that up.
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So basically anything that involves and engine isn't a sport to you. Any type or car racing, motorcycle racing, speedboat racing....none of those are sports?

What about cycling, the Tour de France for instance? It must be a sport on the way up the mountain but not on the way down because the bicycle does all the work.

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i don't know, you tell me. are the bicycles going fast enough?