Redskins Expected to Release Coles
 

Yeah that's right, I said Coles

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40538-2005Feb20.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Washington Redskins wide receiver Laveranues Coles has had at least two extensive conversations with Coach Joe Gibbs since the season ended which are expected to lead to his release from the team, according to sources familiar with the situation.[/QUOTE]

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Guess that cements the fact we'll be drafting a WR. This is a disaster...
I am in shock...complete f&^%ing shock. Holy crap this is bad.

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Is that even POSSIBLE from a cap standpoint?

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It will be interesting to see how much of his bonus he gives back and what the Redskins do with the money.

What I don't get is why is it better to waive him than trade him? I guess it's because he wouldn't return part of his money otherwise.

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He is giving back part of his bonus to alleviate cap concerns. That is how much he wants out. He is actually going to pay the Redskins to release him. The NFLPA is going to crap a brick. I am crapping a Buick as we speak.

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WHAT THE F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well our wide reciver situation just went from rock bottom..... to rock bottom, 50 ft of crap... then us.....

You have got to be freaking kidding me.

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After reading the article I have much more insight... Wow - he thinks Gibbs offense is THAT bad. That's not a good preliminary report for next year.

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If Coles wants to be part of a "vertical offense" he could join Norv in Oakland....so is a Coles for Porter trade possible?

I don't even know what to think of Coles right now, but hopefully this means more playing time for Taylor Jacobs.

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Is he goign to also give us a first round draft choice back?!?!? How can they just give in to his wants like this. hes signed, paid for, healding and producing. Make him suck it out and tell him he will get the deep ball. What the heck

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Coles thinks Gibbs' offense in 2004 was bad for him, but even Gibbs has said he's going to open it up next year

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This really concerns me not just from the standpoint of our WR situation but more from the standpoint that this is totally ludicrous coming from Coles. He 100% does not seem like the guy who would do this. Obviously we never really KNOW these guys but I think you can get a good insight into their personalities based on their level of effort and their tenacity. It just doesn't fit. So what the hell is going on here? What is SO BAD that he wants out enough that Gibbs thinks it's the best thing to do? I mean what did Gibbs tell him that they would probably draft a WR to be their #1 and Coles rightfully said screw off? Man this is craziness I tell you.

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At least he did it in a respectful manner. Didn't go through the media - tryed to do it quietly and without problem. I gave the guy crap about his injury, but I'm really going to miss him!

Could this mean a possible trade for Moss? He'd come a lot cheaper if we sent Coles... Just a thought. None of the FA receivers impress me - neither do many in the draft. Edwards, Williams, and Williamson (SC dude) all have possibilties. The worst thing is - said the Cowboys are in the market for a WR.

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SmootSmack - didn't Gibbs also say that during the regular season?

I think he got sick of running curl routes - and more than anything... Losing.

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I just can't believe that two stand up guys can't get on the same page here.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]SmootSmack - didn't Gibbs also say that during the regular season?

I think he got sick of running curl routes - and more than anything... Losing.[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is that just because he's not happy with the offense shouldn't be the barometer of whether it can be a good offense.

I''m not trying to turn on Coles here because I think he's very talented and gives his all on the field. But it's kind of curious that he didn't place any of the blame on his injuries.

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I'm at a loss for words right now, this one is totally out of left field.

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So let me get this straight...we might lose Coles, Smoot, possibly Perice and Samuels all this offseason???

Maybe someone, like Dasel, understood the article better than I do. But what do we get by releasing Coles? As far as the Cap this year, and especially next season?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]This really concerns me not just from the standpoint of our WR situation but more from the standpoint that this is totally ludicrous coming from Coles. He 100% does not seem like the guy who would do this. Obviously we never really KNOW these guys but I think you can get a good insight into their personalities based on their level of effort and their tenacity. It just doesn't fit. So what the hell is going on here? What is SO BAD that he wants out enough that Gibbs thinks it's the best thing to do? I mean what did Gibbs tell him that they would probably draft a WR to be their #1 and Coles rightfully said screw off? Man this is craziness I tell you.[/QUOTE]

I guess that's just it, you never truly know what makes these guys tick.

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Gmanc, I think Coles' giving up his bonus may actually help us keep Smoot and Pierce

But this looks like a call for CrazyCanuck

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I guess...ahhh

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Do you think Coles already has a place in mind he wants to go to?

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Let's blow it up and start over in the WR department. Sounds good to me.

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This is just blowin my mind guys, WTF?!

This just blows the roof off all the offseason plans, now we HAVE to acquire a WR either through the draft or free agency, now Jacobs HAS to be ready to step up and contribute.

All I can say is...wow. Damn I need a drink!

:doh:

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I dont belive this. We BETTER, and I MEAN BETTER be able to keep a couple guys, like Smoot, with this extra money. I am so sick and tired of having all these peopel come and go liek its a god damn carosuel. A drink is right matty.....absolutley shocked!

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He'd better be giving up the rest of his bonus so we take a minimal cap hit if at all.

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man coles suck it up and play. This sets a bad precendent that Gibbs shouldnt allow. You play in a system, not for your self. Thats what he needs to preech. This makes it ok for Portis to say he wants to be cut to. Becuase we didnt run in a style that is good for Portis, we made him do what Bugel wanted. And Taylor didnt get to play the way he wanted, he should ask to be released to. And lavar is definitly gone, we know how much he hates beign asked to go in the three point stance....

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why wouldnt they atelast try and trade him. i bet the ravens would give up their first round pick for him, atelast a second and third.

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It's the right call for Gibbs to let him go, if he doesn't want to be here that bad he's the last kind of guy you want infecting your locker room.

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So heres my rant beccause I need to freaking vent......

I'm taking this online class, teach is a bitch, took me like four hours to write these essays; I have to be up to work at 6:30, want to go to bed early (as in 11). Finish the essays at like 11 30, just wanna take a click look at the path' to see whats up.... and I see this crap...... Its now 12:20, my laptop was running batteries, i just went to get the extention, broke a candle, got glass in my finger, am bleeding profusley from that, AND COLES ISNT GONNA BE A REDSKIN ANYMORE..... another freaking jersey goes to waste....... THANKS A LOT LC. I need stiches.....F*CK!

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His cap number for 2005 is $3,357,142. If he is released straightup the cap hit is $9,285,710. So he has to give back at least $5,928,570 to break us even on the deal. We better be doing better than that. I don't understand why we don't just trade him? It makes no sense whatsoever to release him. If you make a handshake deal that has him give back ALL of his remaining SB and then only trade him to a team he approves of and on the condition that he can restructure with them to get some guranteed money then it works out for all. I mean we probably wouldn't get much of a deal in a trade but it is better than nothing. I am thinking like a 5th round pick. I mean at this point a 5th round pick and cap space would be better than a middle finger as he walks out the door.

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Coles will immediately be one of the top available players available when he hits the market. If we shopped him I could see someone giving up at least a 2nd rounder. Why we're not going to shop him is beyond me, hopefully we'll be able to figure that out when the dust starts to settle on this.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]why wouldnt they atelast try and trade him. i bet the ravens would give up their first round pick for him, atelast a second and third.[/QUOTE]
We can't just trade him because of the cap hit. I was typing up what I think is a reasonable deal(above) when you posted and this the only way it could possibly work.

Also... no one is going to give us a good pick for him when the know he wants out and we're willing to release him and they'd have to give him someguranteed money. I mean maybe a 4th if we find someone desperate.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]So heres my rant beccause I need to freaking vent......

I'm taking this online class, teach is a bitch, took me like four hours to write these essays; I have to be up to work at 6:30, want to go to bed early (as in 11). Finish the essays at like 11 30, just wanna take a click look at the path' to see whats up.... and I see this crap...... Its now 12:20, my laptop was running batteries, i just went to get the extention, broke a candle, got glass in my finger, am bleeding profusley from that, AND COLES ISNT GONNA BE A REDSKIN ANYMORE..... another freaking jersey goes to waste....... THANKS A LOT LC. I need stiches.....F*CK![/QUOTE]

Damn man, now I feel bad for posting this story tonight. Should have waited until tomorrow so you could get some rest

Hope your finger is feeling better

So Gibbs is totally revamping this WR corps with Gardner, Coles, and McCants all likely gone.

This is just insane. I thougth the biggest news this weekend was going to be our new server.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]We can't just trade him because of the cap hit. I was typing up what I think is a reasonable deal(above) when you posted and this the only way it could possibly work.

Also... no one is going to give us a good pick for him when the know he wants out and we're willing to release him and they'd have to give him someguranteed money. I mean maybe a 4th if we find someone desperate.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's true the cap implications of trading him would be tough, and most likely that's the reason why a trade isn't going to happen, not sure if there's any way around not taking the cap hit in a trade.

Damn this really stinks, I'm depressed

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]This is just insane. I thougth the biggest news this weekend was going to be our new server.[/QUOTE]

Well it still has to compete with the avatars one, LOL

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Coles was one of my favorite WR's in Madden, guess he's gotta go now!

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Jesus, we lost a top notch wideout and a first rounder for nothing!

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Plus we're about to lose Smoot for nothing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Yeah that's true the cap implications of trading him would be tough, and most likely that's the reason why a trade isn't going to happen, not sure if there's any way around not taking the cap hit in a trade.

Damn this really stinks, I'm depressed[/QUOTE]
We take no cap hit if he gives back all his SB remaining in the deal..

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I agree, why dont the redskins say F--- you, to Coles and trade his ass!!! why give him the oppertunity to go where he wants. That way we can be sure that he wont go to dallas, new york giants, or the eagles, but no, we let him pick where he wants to play, Fu*k THAT!!!!!!!