Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
 

So Bruce Allen was on ESPN980 this morning and for those who might have missed it, three things stood out

1. Goff's injury "doesn't look good"

2. Bringing in some free agents today (assuming these are OL since it was in response to Jammal Brown's injury)

3. Allen was on the phone with the Raiders his morning talking about a potential trade.

Should I find out anything more, I'll let you know

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Can we swindle them like everybody else does? Stay tuned!

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The Raiders have a bunch of young tackles.

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They employ a zone blocking scheme (or at least they did with Cable -- two coaches ago). Do they have anyone worth trading for?

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[quote=SmootSmack;927343]So Bruce Allen was on ESPN980 this morning and for those who might have missed it, three things stood out

1. Goff's injury "doesn't look good"

2. Bringing in some free agents today (assuming these are OL since it was in response to Jammal Brown's injury)

3. Allen was on the phone with the Raiders his morning talking about a potential trade.

Should I find out anything more, I'll let you know[/quote]

1. thats his mo...sux but some guys just cant stay healthy. Probably means one man gang is safe

2. Brown injury is more serious than we suspect as he continues his role as biggest disappointment of the Shanny era.

3. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...is there any speculations where we are looking? Im saying secondary or Oline.

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[quote=mbedner3420;927347]They employ a zone blocking scheme (or at least they did with Cable -- two coaches ago). Do they have anyone worth trading for?[/quote]

IMO Jared Veldheer would be cool at the right price.

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Brown for Veldheer would be excellent. Of course since that's probably not going to happen hopefully we get the good end of the deal.

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1. Goff had a bit of an uphill climb to begin with, they may just go ahead and part ways now if he's going to miss another year potentially. And if that is the case, maybe it's time to stop going after Giants LBs (Armstead, Barrow, Goff)

2. Still no word on who

3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?

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[quote=SmootSmack;927351]1. Goff had a bit of an uphill climb to begin with, they may just go ahead and part ways now if he's going to miss another year potentially. And if that is the case, maybe it's time to stop going after Giants LBs (Armstead, Barrow, Goff)

2. Still no word on who

3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?[/quote]

We'd get the conditional pick? Would Cooley accept the trade or just retire -- as he has said he would do in the past. Either way, I'm down with that.

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[quote=mooby;927350]Brown for Veldheer would be excellent. Of course since that's probably not going to happen hopefully we get the good end of the deal.[/quote]

Probably won't happen. They seem to have a competent GM now... Damn you, Al!

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[quote=SmootSmack;927351]1. Goff had a bit of an uphill climb to begin with, they may just go ahead and part ways now if he's going to miss another year potentially. And if that is the case, maybe it's time to stop going after Giants LBs (Armstead, Barrow, Goff)

2. Still no word on who

3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?[/quote]

I'm also down with that. He's not the best fit for us but the hour is late for plugging RT. And Cooley, as much as I love him, is kind of dead weight on our roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927351]1. Goff had a bit of an uphill climb to begin with, they may just go ahead and part ways now if he's going to miss another year potentially. And if that is the case, maybe it's time to stop going after Giants LBs (Armstead, Barrow, Goff)

2. Still no word on who

3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?[/quote]

1. I find it hard to believe they had high expectations for Goff considering his injury history. I always felt he was more of a "if he pans out great, if he doesn't no big loss" kind of move.

2. I guess we'll see

3. Not sure how I'd feel about that. Doesn't Khalif Barnes have a rep as an underachiever and/or dirty player? Or am I thinking about someone else. If it's Barnes and a pick it better be a mid-level pick, definitely not a 7th rounder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927351]1. Goff had a bit of an uphill climb to begin with, they may just go ahead and part ways now if he's going to miss another year potentially. And if that is the case, maybe it's time to stop going after Giants LBs (Armstead, Barrow, Goff)

2. Still no word on who

3. How would you all feel about [B]Cooley[/B] for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?[/quote]

ohhhhh boy. I know Id feel fine bout that, but the fanbase is not gonna be too happy. I believe Barnes has improved the last couple years?

[QUOTE=Chico23231;927359]ohhhhh boy. I know Id feel fine bout that, but the fanbase is not gonna be too happy. I believe Barnes has improved the last couple years?[/QUOTE]

We have Fred Davis and niles Paul I'm down

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I don't want to part ways with Cools, but if he is done here, the best move would be to trade him for O-line depth if possible.

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The Raiders won't trade Veldheer, but if we want some of there more recent draft picks (at corner or tackle) remember that they are under new ownership.

What the Raiders need most is a TE with WCO experience. The obvious problem with a trade is that Chris Cooley wouldn't fit in their current cap situation.

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Barnes is a bad fit for our zone-blocking scheme but so was JB what with not being able to move much because of the hip. I'd hate to see Cooley's run end here in a panic-trade for a marginal starting RT who doesn't fit our scheme and a throw-away pick. But then again who is going to start at RT? There should be "better" options.

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I think Barnes has been in a zone based blocking scheme since he's been in the league. Jacksonville was kind of on-and-off with zone blocking: they adapted early, then seemed to prefer man, then kind of seemed to make it up as they went.

Barnes isn't going to get much push in the running game no matter what the scheme is. His best skill is his ability to win in pass protection. He's almost certainly going to be a liability off run action whether the Redskins are actually running or faking. I don't think he's a great fit, but he's a better player than Jammal Brown is even when both are healthy.

I mean, if the Redskins PUP/IR Brown, they do have reasonable in house options that should prevent another 2009.

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Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.

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[quote=FRPLG;927367]Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.[/quote]I agree with you that Barnes is an odd fit, and that he's also probably not a main target of trade talks with the Raiders.

It's probably more about moving Cooley for a conditional 2013 draft choice. It's weird though, because you have two teams at a draft pick deficit, and both want to acquire picks rather than trade them. Ultimately, I think any deal will end up being player for player.

So if we can pluck a young guy for Cooley who will make this years team and is under contract through at least 2013, we should do it. I wouldn't trade Cooley straight up for Khalif Barnes though. And I say that knowing that Barnes was a better player in 2011 than Cooley was.

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[quote=FRPLG;927367]Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.[/quote]

Beggars can't be choosey.

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I'd love to get Veldheer...I was hoping we'd draft him.

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I would LOVE to get Veldheer, but I know its going to be for someone like Khalif. Cooley straight up would probably be a better trade. I don't see a need for an extra pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927343]2. Bringing in some free agents today (assuming these are OL since it was in response to Jammal Brown's injury)

3. Allen was on the phone with the Raiders his morning talking about a potential trade.[/quote]Interesting.......
2.) FA OL/RBs?

3.) Joe Barksdale OL/ Mike Mitchell S

[quote=SmootSmack;927351]3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?[/quote]I would feel that the FO did not properly prioritize addressing the RT with a solid starter earlier during the offseason.
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything.

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What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?

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[quote=SmootSmack;927382]What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?[/quote]Since you ask...anyone RT that was available that was an upgrade over Jammal Brown, so basically I would have looked at every FA RT.
And I wouldn't have limited the search for RT to FA I would have looked via draft also.

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[quote=30gut;927380]Interesting.......
2.) FA OL/RBs?

3.) Joe Barksdale OL/ Mike Mitchell S

I would feel that the FO did not properly prioritize addressing the RT with a solid starter earlier during the offseason.
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything.[/quote]

I agree that our FO did a horrible job with addressing the RT position this offseason. Jamaal Brown never was healthy here. I really feel like Khalif Barnes, if that is the guy we're going for, is not much of an upgrade over some of the OTs we have now. We are going to be giving away a good player for a medicore one. I would just sign a FA OT now, then wait for the 2nd or 3rd week of cuts and just see which RT pops up that way. We should have just bit the bullet and offered Eric Winston whatever and reworked other guys deals, like Jamaals and trents.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927382]What [B]FA RT [/B](other than Winston) would you have gone after?[/quote]

what an appropriate acronym to describe our right tackle issue (JB stinks) as well as the tackle market in the offseason (stunk)

It is a lil bothersome that Shanny is saying our young guys are not ready for the to step up and be full time starters.

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I would hate to see Cooley leave under any circumstances. Cooley's only 30 years old. He's no spring chicken, but he still has a lot left in the tank. Fred Davis tweaks an ankle and suddenly you're regretting unloading Cooley. I wouldn't do it.

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Its an assumption to guess what or if Mike Shanahan/FO is saying about our young guys.
All things considered our young guys were decent last year, the run game actually picked up when Jammal Brown was out.
IIRC Jammal Brown rated out the lowest of our RTs per PFF.
If Brown isn't/can't play then the FO should make move if for no other reason then to get enough bodies/depth at the RT position.

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[quote=12thMan;927387]I would hate to see Cooley leave under any circumstances. Cooley's only 30 years old. He's no spring chicken, but he still has a lot left in the tank. [B]Fred Davis tweaks an ankle and suddenly you're regretting unloading Cooley.[/B] I wouldn't do it.[/quote]Well, sure, unless Niles Paul looks like a 24 year old vertical receiving tight end coming into his own.

What you've reasoned is exactly why I wouldn't cut Cooley simply for the salary relief. He still has value.

But if you can get something in return for him, you have to take it.

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Also, Jammal Brown is a two-time Pro Bowler and we gave up a third round pick. We took a risk and things haven't worked. Probably best that we don't panic and unload too much right now and just address that position in next year's draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;927386]what an appropriate acronym to describe our right tackle issue (JB stinks) as well as the tackle market in the offseason (stunk)

[B]It is a lil bothersome that Shanny is saying our young guys are not ready for the to step up and be full time starters[/B].[/quote]

When did he say this?

Also, I would have loved to have gotten Winston but it didn't seem like he was willing to negotiate to be here.

And I was just throwing Khalif Barnes' name out there, not based on any inside info

And I'm totally fine with moving forward without Cooley.

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[quote=12thMan;927390]Also, Jammal Brown is a two-time Pro Bowler and we gave up a third round pick. We took a risk and things haven't worked. Probably best that we don't panic and unload too much right now and just address that position in next year's draft.[/quote]I agree. But it's good business to keep the options open. This is probably the very last opportunity to get anything for Cooley. After 2012, he's likely going to be on a series of "TE for hire" one year contracts, be they here or elsewhere. Which means no matter what we decide to do with him this month, we can have him back if we want him next year.

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The FO already screwed the pooch when it blew it's FA wad (knowingly) on WR, badly neglecting the tackle position. I would bet my income this year Winston would have helped this team more than Garcon, Morgan. Particularly when you consider there were better WRs than Garcon, Morgan on the market for less money.

A knee-jerk reaction now such as trading away Cooley for another stop-gap at RT would be like adding insult to injury to Redskins nation...first neglect the oline and put RGIII's development in jeopardy then trade away a fan favorite who still fills a need.

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[quote=30gut;927380]Interesting.......
2.) FA OL/RBs?

3.) [B]Joe Barksdale OL[/B]/ Mike Mitchell S

I would feel that the FO did not properly prioritize addressing the RT with a solid starter earlier during the offseason.
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything.[/quote]

I would love to have Barksdale but reports that I have read say that the Raidahs are hoping that he will replace Barnes anyway. Thus it is Barnes who is more likely on the trading block.

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[quote=GTripp0012;927392]I agree. But it's good business to keep the options open. This is probably the very last opportunity to get anything for Cooley. After 2012, he's likely going to be on a series of "TE for hire" one year contracts, be they here or elsewhere. Which means no matter what we decide to do with him this month, we can have him back if we want him next year.[/quote]

This is true. We're riding a razor's edge to get anything for Cooley now, much less in the future.

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[quote=The Goat;927393]The FO already screwed the pooch when it blew it's FA wad (knowingly) on WR, badly neglecting the tackle position. [B]I would bet my income this year Winston would have helped this team more than Garcon, Morgan. Particularly when you consider there were better WRs than Garcon, Morgan on the market for less money.
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A knee-jerk reaction now such as trading away Cooley for another stop-gap at RT would be like adding insult to injury to Redskins nation...first neglect the oline and put RGIII's development in jeopardy then trade away a fan favorite who still fills a need.[/quote]

I agree, we definitely overpaid for Garcon, and Morgan I didn't want because he was coming off a broken ankle. That right there is a signing that we could have avoided and of been able to offer more money to winston. And I just find it surprising that he-Winston- didn't want to come here. There has to be more to the story like he knew we didn't have the money, or he didn't like Kyle Shanahan or something.

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I believe the FO did their due diligence and considered all contingencies when they made WR a priority over RT. You know, you hope for the best. You hope everybody shows up healthy and they're ready to rock and roll.

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It would be nice if Bruce Allen was talking to the Raiders about trading for tackle Bruce Campbell. The Redskins are going to need young help at right tackle. Bruce Campbell is very athletic and a decent blocker that can also play in the interior of the line.