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MTK 02-21-2005 11:34 AM

Our WR options
 
With Coles and Gardner both on the way out the face of our WR corps will be dramatically different next season. Let's take a look at some of our options.

[b]The draft:[/b]
If we sit tight at #9 I would think taking a WR is a must. Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards are the top two prospects, with Troy Williamson and Mark Clayton close behind. Obviously Williams and Edwards are the top targets here. Edwards stock has been on the rise and he looks like a probable top 5 pick now. Williams could slide to 9, Williamson should definitely be available.

[b]Free Agency:[/b]
Not a whole lot here, Plaxico Burress and Jerry Porter are the top targets, and of course Muhammad with his expected release due to cap reasons. Problem is none of these guys are going to come cheap, with Muhammad likely being the most expensive, Burress 2nd and Porter 3rd. All of these guys have their concerns, Muhammad is getting old, Burress has knocks against him for his focus and work ethic and Porter for route running and inconsistency. The bright side is there is bound to be some cap casualties like the rumored expected release of Derrick Mason. Let it be known now that if Mason becomes available, I think the Skins should push hard to sign him. I was a fan of going after him before the Coles announcement and even more now.

[b]Fill the job from inside:[/b]
Some people on the board are Taylor Jacobs fans, some aren't. The bottom line is we haven't seen enough of him to formulate a solid opinion either way. We've always heard promising things about him during camps, supposedly he has solid hands, good quickness and speed. He's got the natural abilities you look for in a WR, but we've yet to see it translate to the field. Perhaps this is just the chance he needs. This is a sink or swim chance for him.

Thrash:
As we saw from his time in Philly, he's definitely not a starting quality WR. His role was going to be expanded even before the Coles announcement, but I can't see him filling more than a #3 role with the team. If we head in to the season with Thrash as a starting WR (#1 or #2), we're in trouble.

McCants:
All of a sudden McCants is in a very interesting position. He seemed to be on his way out after spending most of '04 in the doghouse, now will the staff give him another look?? He has a nice rapport with Ramsey, it will be interesting to see what unfolds with McCants this offseason.

SKINSnCANES 02-21-2005 11:56 AM

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I think you have to give jacobs a hot. He looked like a great prospect out of college, yea he was from Florida but he still looked good and was supposed to be a steal in the second round. The other thing is Ramsey loves the big target in McCants.

I dont see Williams or Edwards being available at 9. The lastest mock draft I was had them going 4th and 5th. That Troy Williamson guy looked interesting though and is said to be the fastest guy in the draft. I havent seen him, anyone here have some better information about him.

I still say with the 9th pick you go best available though. It might be to early to take some of the other receivers.

Schneed10 02-21-2005 12:25 PM

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Know what though, I've heard that Gibbs and his staff really have their eye on Troy Williamson more than anyone else. I forget where I heard that, I'll try to find it and post it.

We've been giving a lot of attention to Edwards and Williams, but from what I've heard of Williamson, a junior who declared himself draft-eligible, is that his potential may be as high as any receiver in the draft class this year. Maybe we should take a hard look at him. Maybe he could still be gotten by trading down from the 9th spot?

Big C 02-21-2005 12:37 PM

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it was that article that sed they had dinner with him

Duffman003 02-21-2005 12:46 PM

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With all the WR talent that is probably going to be in the free agency (especially with coles and possibly derrick mason) I wouldn't be suprised at all if Mike Williams fell to the #9 spot. I think Mike Williams would be the best thing for our team with his size he could get us in the endzone instead of being shut down on the one yard line.

Daseal 02-21-2005 12:51 PM

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Duffman - We'd have to run a play besides a run up the middle in order for that to be even a possibility.

redwagonskins 02-21-2005 12:54 PM

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Free-agents, draft, whatever happens, this is big trouble. Ask the Lions and Cardinals how their rookie receivers are faring. Williams may be good in a few years as will Edwards but they won't make an immediate impact. The question will be if Coles release will open up enough cap room to go after a Plaxico! At 2 mil under, that's no where near what is needed to sign a premier receiver. Jacobs, McCants, Thrash et all, if they were starter potential, they would already have been starting with Coles being hurt all year! Joe thought that Coles with a bad wheel and Gardner with bad hands was better than any other skins receiver. So here we go into the season with an offense that now has no wr threat. Think we'll see a lot of 9 guys up in the box?

rome108 02-21-2005 01:18 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Duffman - We'd have to run a play besides a run up the middle in order for that to be even a possibility.[/QUOTE]

:lol: so true, so true...

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 01:21 PM

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Also, think about this... with Ramsey just now maturing into the #1 QB just how many passes were even CATCHABLE until Ramsey came in. We really didn't even get a chance to look at our receivers til the second half of the season. Also, with talk of Gibbs opening up the playbook, I think that a solid pick in the draft or FA would fill the voild.

Balmerskinsfan 02-21-2005 01:24 PM

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God, not another free agent signing, please.

offiss 02-21-2005 01:26 PM

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I think Gibb's likes rookie reciever's he can teach them what he want's them to know, not have to unteach what they know, he alway's did well with unknown reciever's, Monk was the only WR with a rep that Gibb's had his first go round, Clark, Sander's, Garrett, Brown, these player's were not high profile player's before they arrived in DC. I beieve all our WR concern's can be taken care of with this draft, I have no doubt's about that, the concern is dealing with Coles's cap hit I really hate to have to give him away.

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 01:27 PM

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Just as was mentioned in other threads... there might be some cap casualties that could come very cheap to fill out WR needs. NOW it seems as though we could use a couple of WRs and Andre Davis and Derrick Mason should become available. Will they be worth the price? Who knows. Are they worth a look if the asking price is right? Most definitely when we still have a great pick in the draft.

Duffman003 02-21-2005 01:38 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Duffman - We'd have to run a play besides a run up the middle in order for that to be even a possibility.[/QUOTE]

What I meant was when we are on the one yard line, like against the cowboys in the first game. We could throw a lob pass to Mike Williams who is probably an average of 6 inches taller than the average cornerback in the NFL.

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 01:40 PM

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I would love to see a few more lob passes when we get someone who can handle them. Ramsey showed he has a lot more touch than I gave him credit for AND I like the fact he can force it in there to Cooley. That bootleg play was the only play I thought the Redskins ran consistently well even with Brunell.

Daseal 02-21-2005 02:13 PM

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I understand that Duffman - I just don't think we will. For gods sake we could throw a turnover and make them still have to go the WHOLE DISTANCE OF THE FIELD on our defense!

jbcjr14 02-21-2005 02:24 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Duffman - We'd have to run a play besides a run up the middle in order for that to be even a possibility.[/QUOTE]

You gotta get to the one first!

Shane 02-21-2005 02:32 PM

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Troy Williamson does look like he could be a big time player. He dominated top opposition corners and has super speed. I would be real happy to draft him at #9. We need speed.

Taylor Jacobs has speed and he's gotten some seasoning - I think he very well may be a star player before long in this league. He seems to have a real good attitude and had great success at a big time program in college. We have a winner here I believe.

James Thrash provides speed and real leadership and he is a powerful spark plug for this team, not to mention an excellent special teams player. He is a great player to have and he sets a great tone.

If we could bring in a Derrick Mason and an Andre Davis that might be ideal. One of them would be good.

McCants I think is still just as likely to be released or traded as before. His attitude doesn't seem to fit in with the "all for one and one for all" approach needed in your foundation core of players.

sportscurmudgeon 02-21-2005 03:19 PM

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Musin Muhammad's agent just lit up a big victory cigar because now the skins need two WRs and we know that Joe Gibbs puts a premium on veterans who are dedicated to football and conditioning and all that stuff.

Burris does not meet those tests. Porter may or may not meet those tests but Porter has not been a "true Redskin" type of guy in the Raiders' clubhouse. Even if the Skins decide to draft a WR, they need a solid vet and his client just went to the head of the class.

Ladies and gentlemen, the price of poker - to win the services of Mr,. Muhammed - just went up - - because now Danny Boy Snyder and his checkbook are in the game...

Daseal 02-21-2005 03:22 PM

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I doubt Muhammad - too old, too expensive. DOubt we could afford him if we wanted to.

Cush 02-21-2005 03:28 PM

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I was hoping they would draft a DE, but if Coles & Gardner are gone, I guess a WR is likely

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 03:29 PM

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Let's still remember that our D was #3 and Phillip Daniels has yet to show how good he can be.

MTK 02-21-2005 03:39 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I doubt Muhammad - too old, too expensive. DOubt we could afford him if we wanted to.[/QUOTE]

I don't see it happening either. He's looking for a monster payday.

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 03:41 PM

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Honestly I don't think he's even CLOSE to as talented as the money he's wanting is suggesting that he is.

Big C 02-21-2005 03:55 PM

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Let's still remember that our D was #3 and Phillip Daniels has yet to show how good he can be.[/QUOTE]

that is true, but daniels is in his thirties so i dont know how much more he can show really.

TheMalcolmConnection 02-21-2005 03:59 PM

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I know, but I would say to at least give him a chance since we spent some decent bucks on his in the off-season. I'd hate to see him sit the bench.

On a side note, my g/f and I just got a job down at VA Tech. She'll be in Biological Engineering and I'll be at VBI. If you're down, we should all get together for some beers and maybe show us around if you were cool with that.


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