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is this what all this represents? all these 'core Redskins' have changed their minds. In Gibbs They Doubt.

Pierce and Smoot holding out just to see whats out there is understandable but still a slap to that Hall of Fame face. but Coles? this is unprecented here. no one doubts Williams of course, everyone loves him, but no one wants to wait for Gibbs to adjust and start putting up some points in the modern era. thats why the defensive players want to leave.

as us fans know, these close games are soul killers, the redskins have a cursed cloud over them. after all these guys say they want out, and with Coles being so spectacularly indignant, my question is: will Gibbs be the next one disgruntled?

the morale of this team will be rock bottom next year. then again, who knows. maybe less than zero offseason expectations is what this teams needs to click. or something. :(

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Other than Coles it's all about the $$ with most of today's players, and a Gibbs coached team is no expection.

Winning does work wonders though as we've seen with the Patriots, but we're a long way from being confused with the best team of this decade.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Other than Coles it's all about the $$ with most of today's players...[/QUOTE]

So what is it all about? I hope that Coles doesn't think he will somehow get on track to become an HOF WR. Maybe he thinks being traded after winning a SB will satisfy his career. This guy was a developing headcase after taking the fall for Peter Warwick at FSU. Coles you won't be missed. :oink:

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isay screw pierce. he has one good year, ONE. and now he thinks he's LT?! get lost man, we only want the peeps that want to be here!!!!!!

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well so far that's only like Jansen and Ramsey. and Ramsey almost wanted to leave last year...

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Wow! I can't believe how quickly people have turned against Smoot, Pierce, Samuels, and Coles. All those guys were praised and loved by so many 'Skins fans.

Can anyone honestly blame Coles for feeling frustrated? He's played his ass off for a team that has won 11 of 32 games since he's been here, he was totally misused last season as a possession reciever, and the wide receiving corps was a patsy for our troubles in 2004. I don't blame him for wanting to move on.

As for Pierce and Smoot, can anyone honestly say they wouldn't try to get the most money they could. If you had the opportunity to earn several million dollars more by playing for another team, wouldn't you try to hit free agency? Neither of these guys are from D.C., they don't have any previous connection to the team, and they know they're about to hit the lottery. I can't say that we should be pissed at them for wanting to get the most money they can. Any player (or person) who says he doesn't care about money is crazy or a liar.

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like i said, we only want the people who want to be here. and lc...... well he signed a contract which he must honor in my opinion. it's the right thing to do. but now he wants to be a little cry baby b/c he's not happy...... cry me a river.

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who's turning on who? being frustrated is one thing, turning your back to a team thats treated you well and poured attention to you is another. especially after all the things these guys have said during the season.

Coles is being particularly ruthless, because he wants the Redskins to PAY him AND let him go. he doesn't care about his contract, or the salary cap hell (and the massive PR and team headache) he's putting them through. much less the fans.

if Gibbs didn't feel out of place already, i'm certain he does now.

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I can understand LC's frustration. I was livid playing Philly the 2nd time around and we could only throw the ball laterally as opposed to vertically. However, I have complete trust in Gibbs. His success in the NFL was partially to due his adjustments and trying new things. Under Don Coryell in San Diego, Gibbs adapted to throwing the ball and attacking deep. After his first year as head coach in Washington, he realized that didnt work. So he completely revamped his offense into the smashmouth, clock controlling juggernaut that it was...and as we all know, had great success. Apparently Coles doesnt have the time to wait, or doesnt even think Gibbs can change. I hope he is one of the few if not the only one on the team to think that way.

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Last year, Antonio Pierce gave the Redskins a "hometown discount". He had an offer from another team (Chiefs I think?) but was convinced to come back here on a one-year deal at less money. That's right, he played last year for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere. Then he had a break-out season.

So, when the Redskins did not bowl him over with a contract offer, he decided not to give them another "hometown discount" and decided to see what he's worth on the open market. The Redskins FO had exclusive bargaining rights with him for the last three weeks or so and didn't get it done. Maybe they thought they'd gat another discount?

Mark this down. When the Skins identify the free agent they really want so they can hold their annual early-March-news-conference-extravaganza, it won't take them long to arrive at a contract offer that the guy can't refuse and won't "shop around the league." Here's the pattern: Skins pay big money for anyone except the guys already on the roster. If you're on the Skins' roster, all you get is "market value or maybe a little below market value" unless your name is Lavar; if you are on somebody else's roster, then you can get a drop-dead blockbuster offer.

Coles' situation is different. Forget the motivations here; he wants to leave and it certainly seems as if the Redskins' organization is not going to fall all over itself to prevent that from happening. Whatever. But ask yourself this:

How did all of this leak out? Because by leaking out, it solidified the positions of the antagonists. Now if Coles pays back some money to get traded, it looks as if he caved to "the man". If the Skins now don't trash him and make him look like a greedy oaf, they come off looking like a second-rate organization. All this because some discussions between Gibbs and Coles somehow got to the ears of the Skins' beat reporters at the Post and the Times.

Find the guy who leaked the info and you have someone to blame for this mess.

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it's funny how easy it is to take the "hometown discount" when you haven't done anything to get otherwise.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Can anyone honestly blame Coles for feeling frustrated? He's played his ass off for a team that has won 11 of 32 games since he's been here, he was totally misused last season as a possession reciever, and the wide receiving corps was a patsy for our troubles in 2004. I don't blame him for wanting to move on.[/QUOTE]

I don't blame Coles for being frustrated, but wanting to jet after two seasons with the team he signed a long-term deal with? That's what I have a problem with.

What happens when he ends up with his next team and he becomes dissatisfied again, will he pull this crap again and leave his new team in a scramble to unload him?

I most certainly am disappointed and frustrated by his decision. Why should I support his decision? Explain that.

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Pierce gave us a hometown discount?

If he had a better offer elsewhere (it was the Vikings that reportedly were interested) he would have taken it in a second.

Obviously the offer wasn't any better than what the Redskins were offering otherwise he would be wearing purple right now.

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I thought Pierce was a RESTRCITED free agent last year. So we had some leverage. But whatever. Look, these guys want to get paid, Snyder is famous for the big payout, so why not try the market? Either you get a better offer elsewhere, or you force Danny-boy to open the check book, which he's done in the past. Gibbs wants to "change the culture" so the skins are holding back (sounds like a reasonable move to me). Everyone plays the media to there advantage, and round and round it goes.

As for Coles and the leaked story, I'm not sure who benefits from the crime. Coles looks LESS likely to be traded now, and has publicly claimed he won't do a giveback. His stock on the open market is low as it is with the toe. He was not helped by the story. The skins can't trade the guy to get any value, and can't cut him. They're likely stuck with a pissed off player, and they look bad in public. Maybe someone at redskin park was a little pissed by something Danny-boy said or did? Hmmmm....

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So we knew that Coles was a hard worker, we knew he was talented, and now we can add "quitter" to the list as well. What an asshole! And not only is he quitting, but he's trying to hold us over the "coals" for it. Screw you Lav.

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Damn, maybe we really are cursed!!

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What I have beef with is the double standard that is applied to players and NFL teams. If a team signed a contract and committed to a guy and the team cuts him, so be it. But if a player wants to back out of a deal, he's a prick.

Perhaps I'm too "pro-labor." I love the team, but the team is made up of players. So, while I want what is best for the team, I'm not going to say F-U to a guy who wants out of a deal....teams back out of deals all the time.

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I disagree with you on the status of players in the league. And I think that a contract doesnt mean that the players deserve equality with the owner. The contract just provides some protection for the players, which they are entitled to. Sports are most definitely a business, and why dont you tell me who the employees are?

Dan Snyder paid how much for the Redskins?

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Good poitns Ramseyfan - When Coles signed that major deal he expected to be THE man on offense. He came into a Spurrier throw first, throw second, throw third, fake punt throw 4th offense. This is what Coles was looking forward to! He wanted to the be corner stone of the offense. A guy that can take the game and be exciting - and when healthy he is that guy. Now he's stuck in one of THE WORST passing offenses in the NFL, and get's very few looks per game let alone receptions.

I always hear "Gibbs is master at adaptation" Gibbs will turn it around. The problem I've seen - is in 16 games we saw very little evolution as far as our offense was concerned. It took 8 weeks to change from an absolutely miserable quarterback who not a single other person could defend by week 3, a handcuffed offense who preached turnovers to the point of implosion, a gameplan that was so easily foliled by defensive juggernauts as the Browns that they told Wilbon things in the locker rooms that made skins-fans cringe. The offense rarely put any more than two receivers out - teams DIDN'T respect our passing game, and we did NOTHING all year to change that. We lost some games simply because Gibbs was too afraid to not only hold on to the lead - but extend it. You can't sit on a 3, 6, or 7 point lead in todays NFL with a quarter to go. Just doesn't work.

I'm sorry - I've seen no sign of improvement from the skins offense thus far, and Coles being mad about his role in the upcoming offense scares me even more. If both of our receivers want out of dodge - that doesn't bring good things for our passing game.

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I'm not sure how anyone could argue that Snyder is the employee and the players are management. The management is rarely, if ever, attacked for backing out of a deal and cutting a player but the players get grilled for backing out of a deal (Coles has NEVER said he wouldn't play out his contract, just that he would prefer to leave).

I don't contend that the contracts should never be broken. What I am saying is that we should apply a single standard and criticize/praise a front office or a player for backing out of a deal.

Again, Coles never said he would hold out unless he is traded. He has simply said that he would prefer to be elsewhere, something Gibbs asked his players to tell him.

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Coles was never crazy about the Gibbs hire. I remember when they interviewed him at the Pro Bowl and they asked him how he felt about being coached by a HOFamer. From what I remember Coles said something like this "I mean thats great and all, but he likes to run the ball alot".

From the beginning Coles wasn't excited about Gibbs. Now everything is unfolding.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Good poitns Ramseyfan - When Coles signed that major deal he expected to be THE man on offense. He came into a Spurrier throw first, throw second, throw third, fake punt throw 4th offense. This is what Coles was looking forward to! He wanted to the be corner stone of the offense. A guy that can take the game and be exciting - and when healthy he is that guy. Now he's stuck in one of THE WORST passing offenses in the NFL, and get's very few looks per game let alone receptions.

I always hear "Gibbs is master at adaptation" Gibbs will turn it around. The problem I've seen - is in 16 games we saw very little evolution as far as our offense was concerned. It took 8 weeks to change from an absolutely miserable quarterback who not a single other person could defend by week 3, a handcuffed offense who preached turnovers to the point of implosion, a gameplan that was so easily foliled by defensive juggernauts as the Browns that they told Wilbon things in the locker rooms that made skins-fans cringe. The offense rarely put any more than two receivers out - teams DIDN'T respect our passing game, and we did NOTHING all year to change that. We lost some games simply because Gibbs was too afraid to not only hold on to the lead - but extend it. You can't sit on a 3, 6, or 7 point lead in todays NFL with a quarter to go. Just doesn't work.

I'm sorry - I've seen no sign of improvement from the skins offense thus far, and Coles being mad about his role in the upcoming offense scares me even more. If both of our receivers want out of dodge - that doesn't bring good things for our passing game.[/QUOTE]


Ramseyfan does make a good point about the double standard

As for our receivers "wanting out of dodge"-maybe, just maybe, Gibbs and co. want them out as well. Maybe they think Gardner and Coles are not necessarily the receivers we need to open up the offense.

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I dont agree. The player's are "hired" to do a job. If they for some reason fail to execute that job to the satisfaction of the "boss" then they can and should be let go. If the player wants to leave, and the boss doesnt exactly want that player to leave, then the player in question is a "quitter".

This is fun Ramseyfan, I'm willing to bet that you are a democrat.

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I can see where LC is coming from, I wouldn't want to be him right now.Gibbs is a great coach, but didn't coach all that great this year.

Regarding the double standard, remember that either way the player leaves prior to end of contract that the team is still paying the player and taking the cap hit. Jerimiah Trotter is an example. Even if you want to call the team a quitter in his case, he could have sat on the couch and watched the games making money with what we paid him this year and will pay him next year. Say what you want but the team loses these battles every time.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I dont agree. The player's are "hired" to do a job. If they for some reason fail to execute that job to the satisfaction of the "boss" then they can and should be let go. If the player wants to leave, and the boss doesnt exactly want that player to leave, then the player in question is a "quitter".

This is fun Ramseyfan, I'm willing to bet that you are a democrat.[/QUOTE]

A very conservative democrat who knows how bad labor unions can be (see, Britain circa 1985) AND how bad a lack of unions can be (see, U.S. circa 1910).

I'm somewhat familiar with contract law and I beg to differ with your interpretation of the meaning of a contract. You seem to think that contracts are only meaningful/binding so long as they benefit the employer (Snyder). So, if a player outperforms his contract, tough sh-t he's bound by his word. Conversely, if a player underperforms, hit the road and don't the door hit your a-s on the way out because the owner's word don't mean jack.

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Speaking of honoring, contracts: Don't forget we have another young man on our team who had a simular situation in Denver,balked at his already existing contract and got 50 mil. from Mr. Dan. What is it to make me think that at some point in time he won't do th same thing to Mr. Dan?

Management does not honor the contracts they sign players too, so in reality, why should we expect the players to be so honorable? Every Year someone has to restructure or face being cut. Forget these "Free Agents" and build a "Team" through the draft and less fancy spending. Oh! and dont forget a Salry-Cap for each position on offense and defense, that way we no longer can be hijacked each year by these "Greedy" already overpaid players who don't care about loyalty or any particular team, they're just in it for the money. Anytime a player leaves a winning orginization for a looser just for a few dollars more, that sort of tells you what our beloved sport is coming too.

Hail! Redskins "Free Agents" on the Warpath

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]A very conservative democrat who knows how bad labor unions can be (see, Britain circa 1985) AND how bad a lack of unions can be (see, U.S. circa 1910).

I'm somewhat familiar with contract law and I beg to differ with your interpretation of the meaning of a contract. You seem to think that contracts are only meaningful/binding so long as they benefit the employer (Snyder). So, if a player outperforms his contract, tough sh-t he's bound by his word. Conversely, if a player underperforms, hit the road and don't the door hit your a-s on the way out because the owner's word don't mean jack.[/QUOTE]
I am a moderate republican. And while I am not an attorney, Im familiar with a different type of contract law than this completely. I conduct real estate settlements. I admit that i get frustrated when labor dictates to management. Do you feel that Lav is right in demanding that he not give any bonus back if he is traded?

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I can understand Coles' frustrations, but I really don't understand his decision making in this situation.

He's well paid, he's caught over 170 passes in his two seasons here, and he would stand to receive just as much work next season if not more especially with the departure of Gardner. Dude caught 90 balls this year, don't tell me he doesn't get enough work. And if anyone thinks for a second we're going to see the same offense again next year you're seriously smoking something. Gibbs knows the offense was what held the team back this year, do you really think he's not going to make any changes?

Back on Coles, like I said before, what happens when he goes somewhere else and gets frustrated? Will he look to back out of another deal with someone else?

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We could argue all day about contracts and what they mean.

Fact is players getting cut is a part of life in the NFL, the players understand when they sign a contract nothing is guaranteed except the bonus. They can be cut anytime.

There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to be traded, but there's no way it's possible unless he gives his bonus back to lessen the cap hit. Otherwise he can just suck it up and be a Redskin whether he likes it or not.

Coles just doesn't have a firm grip on reality if he thinks the Redskins can take a $9M cap hit for trading him, or releasing him outright and getting nothing in return.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Wow!... As for Pierce and Smoot, can anyone honestly say they wouldn't try to get the most money they could. If you had the opportunity to earn several million dollars more by playing for another team, wouldn't you try to hit free agency?... Any player (or person) who says he doesn't care about money is crazy or a liar.[/QUOTE]

But aren't these guys well paid? I know every dime counts, but this can't be just a paper chase. :oink:

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Some good points in here.

I will disagree with the double-standard issue. These are the rules as set in the CBA. The CBA is an agreement made between the owners and the players' union, so the players understood the ramifications and agreed to it.

So I do disagree with Coles' decision and I don't really sympathize with him. When he signed his Skins deal he knew the following:

- He was signed for 7 years and expected to play every year unless the team cut or traded him.
- He knew his yearly salaries would never be guaranteed and he could always be cut by his employer.
- In exchange for this lack of security, the Skins agreed to pay Coles a $13M signing bonus up front. This gives Coles cash in his pocket in case he does get cut. Also with the cap rules, when there is a big signing bonus, it comes with its own "implied" security. We see that now with Coles. Even if the Skins want to cut him they can't really cuz of the deadcap.

He was fine with all this, but now he's changed his tune. If he was so worried about losing Spurrier he should have put a stipulation in his contract. Did he expect Spurrier to be here for a full 7 years? I doubt it. So I guess his attitude was - I'll take this deal (and the money) now, and if they ever change coaches on me I'll just whine and demand to be released.

I don't really sympathize with the "unhappy NFL player". They have as many rights as we regular workers do.
Is my salary guaranteed every year? No.
Can I be cut at any time? Yes.
Did I get a signing bonus? No.
If I tell my boss I'm unhappy and want to be transferred to another company (at a steep cost to him), do you think he'll oblige? No.

So cry me a river Lav. I think we should keep you and you can sit next to Brunell on the bench all year and count your money.

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Crazy Canuck,

First, I didn't mean to sound off on a legal debate. What I've been talking about is one's word. Has Coles broken his word? No. Coles has supposedly said he'd play ball for the 'Skins if he wasn't released or traded; he's willing to play out his deal (at least for now). There has been NO talk (yet) of any holdout.

Does that mean he has to be 100% happy with his current situation? No. Gibbs supposedly told the players that anyone who would prefer to be elsewhere should tell him. Gardner and Coles approached Gibbs and said they'd prefer to be elsewhere. So, I don't see how Coles is being a punk for being honest.

Second, as you correctly point out, Coles was given a large signing bonus as security. But now, the team apparently wants back the signing bonus (or a portion thereof). I don't think on the one hand you can honestly say that he accepted the CBA and should be held to it, but he should ALSO give back the signing bonus (if you in fact believe that).

Third, you said he whined and demanded to be released. Thus far, I haven't heard a peep out of Coles (for better or worse). He might have whined to the coaching staff, but I don't have a problem with that. As for demanding a release, I haven't heard any such demand. He was asked if he wanted to leave and he said yes.

Third, I don't think your comparison of NFL players and the rest of us working folks is appropriate. I'm not an actor, singer, or ball player and I never will be (that is until Snyder and Gibbs come to their senses). But, if you choose to bring up that analogy, I think the following is a good illustration of Coles' situation.

I get hired by a law firm and am given a signing bonus to work for a firm for 6 years. The first year is pretty good - while we lost a lot of cases, I am well compensated, highly appreciated, make lots of great friends, get a lot of substantive and interesting work, and I love my boss.

The following year, the boss I loved quits, a new boss comes into the office who doesn't seem to appreciate me as much, is having me get his coffee instead of writing briefs for the US Supreme Court, I get demolished in a trial because my law firm is run so horribly, the employee roster resembles a revolving door, some of my best friends are leaving the firm, and although I have a contract to work for the firm for five more years, the managing partner tells me anyone who wants to leave can do so. So I raise my hand and say I want to leave. Am I a bastard for doing that? I don't think so.

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i do'nt understand his problem either.he is the feature receiver in the redskins offense is'nt he?WTF is with all these rich ass professionals??????????????????????????????????????

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I am a moderate republican. And while I am not an attorney, Im familiar with a different type of contract law than this completely. I conduct real estate settlements. I admit that i get frustrated when labor dictates to management. Do you feel that Lav is right in demanding that he not give any bonus back if he is traded?[/QUOTE]

I think there's reason to be frustrated with both labor and management at times - it all depends on the situation.

Unless Coles is demanding (as opposed to requesting) that he be traded or released, I don't see why he should have to give it back. If the team chooses not to release/trade him because of the accelerated signing bonus, he needs to realize that he can get his wish by giving the money back. Otherwise, he should play out his contract.

I'd only criticize Coles if he started bitching to the press, held out, or demanded a trade/release while simultaneously holding onto all of his signing bonus.

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The only person who I disagree with, or right now am pissed off at; is Coles. That whole situation to me is bullcrap.

Perice, Smoot, have played out their contracts. They have every right in my mind to test the open market, they both are still on small salary deals (in NFL terms); so if they wanna test the market, I dont blame them.

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Ramseyfan,

You make a lot of good points.

I definitely agree that Coles has handled this extremely well. The fact that everyone was shocked is a testament to Coles play on the field this year. He gave 100% and kept his mouth shut. He also offered to give back a significant amount of money which is a stand-up move. Lastly, he kept everything internal and didn't use the press to lobby his case.

So I'm not trying to judge the man's decision, even if I disagree with it. But I don't feel bad for Coles and I think the Skins must think of their own interests first, even if that means making Lav honor his contract. I'm still hoping htis whole thing can be worked out.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Some good points in here.

I don't really sympathize with the "unhappy NFL player". They have as many rights as we regular workers do.
Is my salary guaranteed every year? No.
Can I be cut at any time? Yes.
Did I get a signing bonus? No.
If I tell my boss I'm unhappy and want to be transferred to another company (at a steep cost to him), do you think he'll oblige? No.

So cry me a river Lav. I think we should keep you and you can sit next to Brunell on the bench all year and count your money.[/QUOTE]

I agree CrazyCanuck........I wonder how the players are going to feel when the leave the NFL and are working in the REAL WORLD. Perhaps I'm spoiled a bit, I'm a Spurs fan when you hear that David Robinson took a fraction of what he could've made in the open market, and re-signed at a reasonible salary to enable the team to sign other players to improve the team. Sean Elliott could've commanded a huge salary also, but like he said, 5 or 6 milliion is a heck of a lot of money, you don't really need more money, it just goes to taxes anyway. And then he gives $2 million back so the Spurs could build a new practice facility. Tim Duncan signed a reasonable salary to stay with the team, and when contract negoitations were getting tough with Point Guard Tony Parker and Spurs Management , Tim offered to pay the $2 milliion dififference that Tony Parker and Management were quibbling over, in order to re-sign "his" point guard. Bruce Bowen accepted a rather low contract as well just to be able to re-sign with a GREAT winning organization. Now, the NBA is different than the NFL, but I just absolutely LOVE the attitude of the former and current Spurs players, these are the REDSKIN KINDA GUYS Joe Gibbs is looking for to wear the Redskins uniform..............

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From what I read Coles and Gibbs had 2 meetings...I wasn't there, but probably Coles asked about the running game and if Portis was going to be the main focus of the offense, Gibbs probably said YES, and Coles was probably envisioning a more vertical passing game.....BUT if you look at the Vikings game when Gibbs FINALLY did open it up and did throw longer passes, and that is what I was picturing the Redskin offense to look like next year.......The receivers were still a vital part of the offense in that Viking game.........I'm frustrated over Coles impatience he should at least give Gibbs more than a year, especially when Gibbs needed time to re-adjust to the "new" NFL himself. If Coles allowed time for Gibbs to pick up a few more pieces for the offense, ....(a healthy Jansen and a new receiver to replace Gardner, and a new center and guard) Coles may have been happy with the offense if he waited just another year to see what Gibbs did and see if the offense improved To me Coles is being a bit of a crybaby and one of the "IT'S ALL ABOUT ME" players. Coles can leave....other receivers can be found......but I'm angry that he just puts deeper into salary cap hell!!! The Steelers have always been a tad on the cheap side, but they manage to find replacements just as good.........Williams seems to have done that with the defense when players went down, others came in and performed admirably, perhaps we can get lucky with the offense.

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Monk,

I completely agree that players who take pay cuts for the team are great, fantastic team players. I'd like to have a lot of those types of players.

However, money doesn't seem to be the real issue right now. It appears that Coles is more concerned about how he is being (mis)used.

I personally am very ambitious, eager to show what I can do, and want to work at a law firm that gives the opportunity to exploit and build upon my talents. So, I sympathize with Coles. I know he feels that he isn't be used properly - and I think many people agree with that assessment. He's a big-play, deep-threat wideout, but he was being used essentially as a possession receiver/extension of the running game. There are running backs catching balls in the flats who had better ypc than Coles.

So, while I'd prefer Coles to be happy even if he was sitting on the bench, I understand where he's coming from.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Monk,

I completely agree that players who take pay cuts for the team are great, fantastic team players. I'd like to have a lot of those types of players.

However, money doesn't seem to be the real issue right now. It appears that Coles is more concerned about how he is being (mis)used.

I personally am very ambitious, eager to show what I can do, and want to work at a law firm that gives the opportunity to exploit and build upon my talents. So, I sympathize with Coles. I know he feels that he isn't be used properly - and I think many people agree with that assessment. He's a big-play, deep-threat wideout, but he was being used essentially as a possession receiver/extension of the running game. There are running backs catching balls in the flats who had better ypc than Coles.

So, while I'd prefer Coles to be happy even if he was sitting on the bench, I understand where he's coming from.[/QUOTE]

But what I'm reading is Coles won't even restructure his salary to facilitate a trade. If I was working for a company that I hated, and wanted to go work for another company, I would do anything I could to make that deal happen knowing how miserable I was working for my present company. But Coles IS looking at the money thing. If he hated Gibbs system and said it was a mismatch, yet was willing to restructure to get a deal done, I'd respect that, but Coles wants to have his cake and eat it too!!! We are going to take a $9 million cap hit......please read the topic COLE WONT RESTRUCTURE....it's about the money...