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This is both an emotional reaction to seeing Santana Moss having success early in this Vikings game, and at the same time a serious assertion that he should be on the field more often for the Redskins - an assertion worthy of its own thread.

I'm glad the Shanahans at least see the value in making sure he's on the field on third downs, after all he's by far our most precise route-runner. Griffin can trust that he'll be exactly where he's supposed to, especially when he needs to read a zone and settle into the right spot.

But what do you think, should Moss have a starting role? Or at least be more heavily utilized?

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More heavily utilized I think.

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On the field in the slot every down there is a slot lol

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Not really. Everyone in the receiving corps is benefiting from the middle of the field being wide open on crossing routes and Moss is no exception. With that said, as long as he's capitalizing on the opportunity, I would keep playing him.

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Word.....

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Moss is one of those guys who is the seasoned vet that every team needs. Like Schneed said, he's exactly where he should be and this year so far he's had good hands.

That was my knock on him the past few years. That catch he made today for the first was SO key.

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He played hard. Wouldn't hurt from starting him IMO. Would be better than seeing Banks go for negative yards at least once a quater.

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Weirdly enough, when Banks is on the field during actual offensive snaps, our O truly clicks.

It's like he's this weird decoy that teams give a lot of attention to.

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The block by Morgan at the end of the game that helped seal the corner for RG3 on his 70+ yard TD run made me realize why Shanahan really likes to have the bigger WRs on the outside; with RG3 as a running threat it's even more important to have the better blockers on the outside.

But I still think Moss should be in the slot in as many formations as possible.

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IMO are WR core hasn't gotten so much better that there's not enough balls to go around for everyone. I'm a Moss supporter but we have an OF now that when your number is called you need to make a play or it's next man up.

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89's two TD's vs the Turds on MNF is good enough for me !!! Moss looks good , would like to see him make some big plays for us this year .

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I think Moss fits a good role as it is right now.

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Moss is doing great, because we are using him wisely. No point in him being out there to get injured blocking. We use him in those 3 wide sets or on 3rd down in the slot. We are doing great using him wisely in this stage of his career.

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Keep Tana out there. A True Redskin!

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I like us current role. Moss out of the slot on 3rd is a good option for Bob.

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meanwhile, where's garcon been hiding? didn't we pay him, to, you know, make plays?

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His foot is banged up fierce. Hard to be a play maker of any sorts when your foot is in serious pain. They gotta get him healed up soon somehow.

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[quote=That Guy;952625]meanwhile, where's garcon been hiding? didn't we pay him, to, you know, make plays?[/quote]

He has a boo boo on his footsie, a couple of mommy kisses and he should be good to go!

Where has A. ROBINSON been?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;952667]Where has A. ROBINSON been?[/quote]

I dont think he was ever cleared after the Merriweather collision. He was knocked out so I assume he has a concussion.

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[quote=Schneed10;952094]This is both an emotional reaction to seeing Santana Moss having success early in this Vikings game, and at the same time a serious assertion that he should be on the field more often for the Redskins - an assertion worthy of its own thread.

I'm glad the Shanahans at least see the value in making sure he's on the field on third downs, after all he's by far our most precise route-runner. Griffin can trust that he'll be exactly where he's supposed to, especially when he needs to read a zone and settle into the right spot.

But what do you think, should Moss have a starting role? Or at least be more heavily utilized?[/quote]

I think this is high in the running for most insightful thread of the reg season so far Schneed. Moss is our best WR right now, hands down. Garcon may have the potential to our best, but he certainly hasn't shown it up to this point in his career and obviously not with the Redskins. Hankerson is pretty good after the catch but his route, running and "hitch" after the catch limit his effectiveness. Morgan is streaky. I understand the regime's hope one or two of these guys become legit #1 WRs someday, but why ignore the guy out in front right now, based on age or step-child status?

Moss is easily the best route-runner. He's had surprisingly-consistent good hands this season. The smaller girth has given him quickness AND speed, making him easily the quickest WR and arguably the fastest. I would have him on the field as much as his body allows, moving between WR and slot based on match up.

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I agree...it seems when he gets his hands on the ball, he's like a sparkplug for the team. Tough to put into words but he's the proven vet, a leader and there's an emotional lift when he makes plays. He's not the primary receiver any more but he's becoming the clutch guy when we need a play. I hope this continues.

There really isn't enough balls to go around with our deep WRs, which is a good thing. I just hope RGIII doesn't forget about Moss when he needs a play...he's proven and still has it.

I was watching yesterday's game and how RGIII spread the ball around to so many players...and I didn't even think about Garcon being out. He'll be a big playmaking boost when he comes back but losing our #1 WR hasn't hurt us as much as it would hurt most teams. Everyone becomes a potential playmaker when Griffin is throwing to them.

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Moss and Morgan are currently the best WRs on the team and they should be featured as such.

FYI-Moss has more the YAC then Hankerson and Morgan, he's behind Freddy D though

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I just want to know if keeping Garcon out yesterday helps him in anyway on his recovery? I assume this is not a surgical issue, just a "time" issue and maybe a "rest" issue. I have no idea, but I just want to know from you guys if him being IA yesterday helps in his recovery. BTW I know this is a Moss thread, so I'll just say this.... he was Grossman's security blanket last year and he looks like he can be RGIII's as well on those 4 down or 3 down "got to make a play" situations.

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[quote=scowan;952803]I just want to know if keeping Garcon out yesterday helps him in anyway on his recovery? I assume this is not a surgical issue, just a "time" issue and maybe a "rest" issue. I have no idea, but I just want to know from you guys if him being IA yesterday helps in his recovery. BTW I know this is a Moss thread, so I'll just say this.... he was Grossman's security blanket last year and he looks like he can be RGIII's as well on those 4 down or 3 down "got to make a play" situations.[/quote]

Huh? Why would they keep him out if it wasn't as part of an injury recovery? That doesn't make sense.

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I have to disagree some -- Moss is a liability when running. Him out there can also affect play action. I like him in passing situations, but hate the idea of him as a starter. He's an old guy, lets limit his snaps but definitely look his way out of the slot a lot to let him be effective.

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[quote=FRPLG;952805]Huh? Why would they keep him out if it wasn't as part of an injury recovery? That doesn't make sense.[/quote]

Because they keep saying its just a pain tolerence issue. If that is the case, take some Advil and get out there! He practiced last week on Wed and Thurs and then not on Friday (or limited) then he goes IA? I can't figure out what the story is with this guy. Either practice and play or stop practicing and get healthy. Is he re-injuring his foot with practice?

It's just a mysterious injury to me.

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[quote=scowan;952844]Because they keep saying its just a pain tolerence issue. If that is the case, take some Advil and get out there! He practiced last week on Wed and Thurs and then not on Friday (or limited) then he goes IA? I can't figure out what the story is with this guy. Either practice and play or stop practicing and get healthy. Is he re-injuring his foot with practice?

It's just a mysterious injury to me.[/quote]i think the word was a "setback" during friday's practice. i thought i remembered hearing initially that the original injury would take a long time to come back from? does anyone else remember anything like that?

i wish i had more insight, i've never injured a foot. i guess my main question is why did he play last week if there are still setback risks?

if it's pain, play through it. if it's recovery, don't try until it's recovered.

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Garcon would probably love to have a BYE week where he could rest it for 10 days or more.

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I love Santana.

Unfortunately he is our best WR right now and that's not a good thing.

Who is this Garcon guy I keep hearing about?? I see him on the cap sheets but not on the field. The french waiter is officially in my doghouse. :benched:

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Moss is doing very good this in his new role. Hopefully he will take a cut for the team in the offseason, and stay 2 more years, and retire a skin. Great Redskin.

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[quote=30gut;952773]Moss and Morgan are currently the best WRs on the team and they should be featured as such.

FYI-Moss has more the YAC then Hankerson and Morgan, he's behind Freddy D though[/quote]

Fred is our best downfield target, and barring a bizarre turn of events he will be for a few seasons.

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[quote=Daseal;952821]I have to disagree some -- Moss is a liability when running. Him out there can also affect play action. I like him in passing situations, but hate the idea of him as a starter. He's an old guy, lets limit his snaps but definitely look his way out of the slot a lot to let him be effective.[/quote]

Moss liability status, looking at his entire career, has been some fumbling and effort issues. He's money this season. No reason to live in the past when he can help us win games now.

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My post wasn't clear -- I meant in the running game. He's one of the worst blockers on the team. Has more to do with his stature than his drive.

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[quote=Daseal;952950]My post wasn't clear -- I meant in the running game. He's one of the worst blockers on the team. Has more to do with his stature than his drive.[/quote]It sounds like you are going out of your way to pan Moss. Since when had Moss been a bad blocker? Because that's what your saying when you call him one of the worst blockers on the team.

Naturally, Moss isn't going to be a strong as Morgan or Garcon, but what makes him one of the 'worst blockers on the team'?

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30Gut -- It's more a symptom of the type of players and talent we've brought in to this team. During the downs we want to sell play action or we want to run the ball -- I'd rather see any combination of Hankerson, Morgan, and Garcon on the field, probably Briscoe as well. The only person I don't know about is Robinson.

That's fine, it's not Moss' forte, but if you see Moss you should know it's a pass. I meant one of the worst blockers at WR -- I stand by that.

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[quote=30gut;952773]Moss and Morgan are currently the best WRs on the team and they should be featured as such.

FYI-Moss has more the YAC then Hankerson and Morgan, he's behind Freddy D though[/quote]

You are basing Moss' YAC on one play bro. A blown coverage with nobody guarding him. Other than that, he hasn't broke anything of the sort. Granted, he's come up huge on some critical downs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;952957]You are basing Moss' YAC on one play bro. A blown coverage with nobody guarding him. Other than that, he hasn't broke anything of the sort. Granted, he's come up huge on some critical downs.[/quote]Really? Its [I][B]all[/B][/I] from 1 play? By that same token so is Garcon's.
Look it happened, I'm not going selectively remove or alter stats when I posted them.

But, even if you look at Moss historically he's always had a high YAC.

[quote=Daseal;952956]30Gut -- It's more a symptom of the type of players and talent we've brought in to this team. During the downs we want to sell play action or we want to run the ball -- I'd rather see any combination of Hankerson, Morgan, and Garcon on the field, probably Briscoe as well. The only person I don't know about is Robinson.

That's fine, it's not Moss' forte, but if you see Moss you should know it's a pass. I meant one of the worst blockers at WR -- I stand by that.[/quote]
If you want to sell play action then you want Moss to play more so its not a give away when he's in the game.

Garcon is hurt so he's a non-factor.
I want to see Morgan and Moss because they'll get open and they'll catch the ball when its thrown to them.

Maybe i'm nit-picking but when you use the words 'worst' to mean 'not as good as' your conveying a clearly negative image.
But, whatever I think its funny is such a bad blocker yet Moss run blocking hasn't been a problem before.

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moss has never been a great run blocker. that's part of why morgan and hankerson and garcon and paul are put out there, because they run block well. and our WRs do spend a lot of time blocking for runs, that and griffin are huge parts of the nfl's #2 run offense.

until robinson and garcon figure out how to get on the field, moss and davis are clearly our best options. we just happen to have a QB that can hide the warts on the WR corp right now.