Raheem Morris
 

Raheem Morris is what's wrong with the Redskins secondary. If you don't agree, then you truly need to pay more attention. Redskins fans have sighted Haslett of what's wrong with the defense. The secondary is giving games away habitually, and something has to happen NOW. The Redskins offense has been the strength of the team through the first half of the season and the defense has been the weak point, namely the secondary.

The secondary wasn't even this bad 2 years ago when the Redskins made the 3-4 switch. Last season the secondary didn't play like this. This isn't Haslett's fault. This is Raheem Morris fault. Whoever the secondary coach was before Raheem Morris arrived needs to be brought back. With hiring Morris, the defense has taken 1,000 steps back. Probably more than that.

For those of you who say Haslett will be fired and replaced by Morris should really play closer attention. Just as Mike Shanahan sighted a problem with Keenan McCardell and replaced him with Ike Hilliard, Shanahan needs to equally find fault with Morris and bring another secondary coach in before the season is lost.

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I don't agree with that at all.

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It's likely more complicated that that but, good angle.

Cmon man

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the talent sux so bad its tough to say about Morris, but he certainly hasnt been able to make even the slightest difference. D Hall to safety isnt workin. His idea to bring in stoner T Jax was an epic fail. I wouldnt fire him, but try to give him something to work with...

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The secondary has been terrible ever since Sean Taylor died and this team has refused to get a competent starting caliber FS on in this team. People continue to b*tch about CBs, but safety has been the constant weakness on this team since then.

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exactly, he's working with scraps

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I love the Warpath after a hard fought loss, or any loss for that manner lol.

Our talent level is what is wrong with the secondary. We need a Safety really bad... Not even a SS. We need someone who can roam the field...

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You know what an awesome secondary would look like?

Champ Bailey - CB
Carlos Rogers -CB
D. Hall - Nickel
Sean Taylor - FS
Laron Landry - SS

Man that would bring a tear to any D. Cordinator's eye.

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Not even close.

You take a bunch of ragtag players and see if you can turn them into an elite squad. If you did manage to do that, I'm sure it took more than 7 games.

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By the way, do people realize we have 8 INTs and 3 defensive TDs in 7 games?

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[quote=Bucket;955234]You know what an awesome secondary would look like?

Champ Bailey - CB
Carlos Rogers -CB
D. Hall - Nickel
Sean Taylor - FS
Laron Landry - SS

Man that would bring a tear to any D. Cordinator's eye.[/quote]

You know what an awesome salary cap would look like? But seriously, Williams needs to be benched for his inability to be in position. Some around here have praised his work in practice but he's a liability in deep coverage and doesn't tackle well in the box. True, you cannot do things that you would with subpar talent that you would do with top-talent. Maybe that's the case here. I've said it in another thread, a player has to know how much cushion he needs to take care of his responsibilities.

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Lack of talent is more likely, Williams should be on the bench he starts due to injury.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955239]By the way, do people realize we have 8 INTs and 3 defensive TDs in 7 games?[/quote]

#26 in total defense, #29 in points per game, and #32 (dead last) in passing yards per game. Kansas City, Buffalo and Cleveland are the 3 teams with the most Ints -- they are 5-15. Not saying that more INTs correlate with losing, just saying it doesn't come close to redeeming the defense's generally terrible performance this season.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955252]#26 in total defense, #29 in points per game, and #32 (dead last) in passing yards per game. Kansas City, Buffalo and Cleveland are the 3 teams with the most Ints -- they are 5-15. Not saying that more INTs correlate with losing, just saying it doesn't come close to redeeming the defense's generally terrible performance this season.[/quote]

Fix it!

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Our pass rush/depth is a huge issue. I think the biggest issue is Allen and how he assembled the secondary. He got a bunch of free agents and acted like they should mesh and play well together. We have no pass rush, we have terrible personal and they were assembled terribly, we have no corners that can cover consistently, what will that mean? Awful Defense. We also don't have a d-coordinator smart enough to come up with clever blitzes, but if we had personal we would not need that.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;955239]By the way, do people realize we have 8 INTs and 3 defensive TDs in 7 games?[/QUOTE]

There's a lot of good things about this defense that shouldn't change. For example, we're a tough defense to prepare for in terms of scheme. Those who are prepared tend to do well, but not every offense comes ready to play.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955252]#26 in total defense, #29 in points per game, and #32 (dead last) in passing yards per game. Kansas City, Buffalo and Cleveland are the 3 teams with the most Ints -- they are 5-15. Not saying that more INTs correlate with losing, just saying it doesn't come close to redeeming the defense's generally terrible performance this season.[/quote]

Well we got two INTs in today's game and all of the offense could do is muster 3 points off those turnovers. Let's not forget that after one of those INTs, RG3 went to throw a horrendous pick after we have gotten the ball.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955267]Well we got two INTs in today's game and all of the offense could do is muster 3 points off those turnovers. Let's not forget that after one of those INTs, RG3 went to throw a horrendous pick after we have gotten the ball.[/quote]

RG3 and the offense more than redeemed themselves for their mistakes when they scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 77 yard drive that took up a minute and a half and left less than 2 minutes on the clock. The defense played pretty well all game and the offense didn't capitalize on their opportunities, granted, but the game was lost on one play and RG3 and the offense weren't on the field when it happened. There is absolutely nothing you can say in defense of the Redskins defense today.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955274]RG3 and the offense more than redeemed themselves for their mistakes when they scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 77 yard drive that took up a minute and a half and left less than 2 minutes on the clock. The defense played pretty well all game and the offense didn't capitalize on their opportunities, granted, but the game was lost on one play and RG3 and the offense weren't on the field when it happened. There is absolutely nothing you can say in defense of the Redskins defense today.[/quote]

RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955280]RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season.[/quote]

I had forgotten all about the first series, where the drive stalled at the 2 yard line. Boy, that kinda hurts.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955281]I had forgotten all about the first series, where the drive stalled at the 2 yard line. Boy, that kinda hurts.[/quote]

And the 3rd and 5 on the 17 yd line that ended in a -8 yd sack.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955280]RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

[B]In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season[/B].[/quote]

That's where you are mistaken -- despite all their mistakes, with 1:30 left in the game THEY WERE WINNING!! so your basic premise is wrong.

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I remember when we were signing all these cast offs and I was just shaking my head. I knew this was going to be a long year in the secondary. We have no push rush and no pass defense. Even Fletcher at times looked old and slow.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955285]That's where you are mistaken -- despite all their mistakes, with 1:30 left in the game THEY WERE WINNING!! so your basic premise is wrong.[/quote]

You don't beat teams like the Giants with small leads and our defense is not good enough to protect small leads. You can continue to be simple-minded and keep harping on just the defense and one big blown coverage. But if our offense doesn't commit these big errors earlier in the game, this game is not even close at the end.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955289]You don't beat teams like the Giants with small leads and our defense is not good enough to protect small leads. You can continue to be simple-minded and keep harping on just the defense and one big blown coverage. But if our offense doesn't commit these big errors earlier in the game, this game is not even close at the end.[/quote]

So we've resorted to name calling -- the offense played a very average game, mixing long drives with missed opportunities (0-2 in the RZ like you mentioned) and way too many turnovers. The defense played a pretty good game overall forcing Eli into two interceptions. But with about 3 minutes left in the game, the redskins offense marched down the field on a Giants defense that is pretty much the same one that won the SB and suffocated the 49ers (arguably the best team in the NFC). That one drive, in my opinion, made up for their earlier miscues. You mentioned that the had a small lead, true -- [B]but there was also a minute and a half left in the game and the Giants had to go 77 yards[/B]. The redskins defense was unable to stop them when it counted and that is what cost the game. You can call me simple-minded if you wish but it doesn't change the fact that the Redskins offense did a bad job not putting the game away, but the Redskins defense actively lost the game.

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As usual some people put way too much stock in coaching and stuff like play calling.

Talent wins you games in this league. We don't have enough of it in the secondary right now.

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I think they should do something kinda what they did with the 3rd year under Gregg Williams the year when sean taylor died. I would just put a saftey in the middle of the field basically a center fielder and tell him make sure no one gets behind you just be the deepest person on the field

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[quote=Mattyk;955305]As usual some people put way too much stock in coaching and stuff like play calling.

Talent wins you games in this league. We don't have enough of it in the secondary right now.[/quote]

/thread

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ok horrible idea, we have no safety on the roster with that athleticism and range to do that

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it was just a thought and maybe worth a try i mean nothing else seems to work for this secondary. Which for me i think safety needs to be concern number 1 in the off season with 1b being a corner

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[quote=Ruhskins;955239]By the way, do people realize we have 8 INTs and 3 defensive TDs in 7 games?[/quote]

This defense is similar to Gregg Williams defense in New Orleans. They gave up lots of yardage, but lead the league in turnovers which gave their offense chances of scoring.(which they did) The problem with defenses like this is, if your offense doesn't score or you fail to get a turnover, you are likely ****ed.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955300]So we've resorted to name calling -- the offense played a very average game, mixing long drives with missed opportunities (0-2 in the RZ like you mentioned) and way too many turnovers. The defense played a pretty good game overall forcing Eli into two interceptions. But with about 3 minutes left in the game, the redskins offense marched down the field on a Giants defense that is pretty much the same one that won the SB and suffocated the 49ers (arguably the best team in the NFC). That one drive, in my opinion, made up for their earlier miscues. You mentioned that the had a small lead, true -- [B]but there was also a minute and a half left in the game and the Giants had to go 77 yards[/B]. The redskins defense was unable to stop them when it counted and that is what cost the game. You can call me simple-minded if you wish but it doesn't change the fact that the Redskins offense did a bad job not putting the game away, but the Redskins defense actively lost the game.[/quote]

And the Redskins offense fumbled the ball away at the end, but to me that's irrelevant.

Let's break this down from the beginning.

The Redskins Offense was inside the 2 yd line of the Giants, and could only muster three points in the opening drive. We could have been 7-0 if we score a TD.

In the second quarter, the offense was inside the red zone again and could only come up with 3 points. We could have been up 21-7.

In the third quarter, we scored no points (neither did the Giants). This quarter featured a fumble on the Giants 41 yd line and RG3 being picked off at the Giants 42 yd line. We score at least 3 pts in each of those times, we are up 27-13; if we don't we are still up 21-13

In the 4th quarter, RG3 fumbles at the Giants 27, a place where at worst we could have come up with 3 points. If we don't fumble and score at least 3 pts, we are up 24-20 (and that's counting a TD that the Giants scored off the RG3 pick in the 3rd quarter).

After the Eli pick, the Redskins are only able to put up 3 points, which makes the game 27-20, a TD at this point helps the Redskins putting some distance between themselves and the Giants at 31-20.

The last five minutes of the game are much much different if the offense doesn't have a lot of those mistakes. I am not trying to excuse the defense or the horrible blown coverage at the end of the game. But given the lack of talent on this team, we can't beat teams like the Giants with errors on both sides of the ball. Yet people act like the offense had a flawless game and it was ONLY because of the defense that they lost the game.

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[quote=Mattyk;955305]As usual some people put way too much stock in coaching and stuff like play calling.

Talent wins you games in this league. We don't have enough of it in the secondary right now.[/quote]

But we have more than enough talent in the front seven (present active-roster) to compensate for the secondary and still be at least a middle-of-the-pack defense i.e. our overall defensive talent is far better than bottom five or six in points/yards. Far better.

Our DBs are actually performing pretty damn well this season. Safety is an issue, but coaching is bigger than the injuries. One of the biggest adjustment failures Hazlett makes is to fail to change the game-plan for his back-ups. B Merriwether is a superior safety to M Williams. Williams lacks speed and some agility. So as d coordinator you force Williams to play further back, especially when it's end of the game and a TD spells the end. You don't let the opposing center snap the ball without checking Williams is 25+ yards off the LOS.

Hazlett called his 2nd best game of the season, but it was still average at best.

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[quote=The Goat;955318][B]But we have more than enough talent in the front seven (present active-roster) to compensate for the secondary and still be at least a middle-of-the-pack defense[/B] i.e. our overall defensive talent is far better than bottom five or six in points/yards. Far better.

Our DBs are actually performing pretty damn well this season. Safety is an issue, but coaching is bigger than the injuries. One of the biggest adjustment failures Hazlett makes is to fail to change the game-plan for his back-ups. B Merriwether is a superior safety to M Williams. Williams lacks speed and some agility. So as d coordinator you force Williams to play further back, especially when it's end of the game and a TD spells the end. You don't let the opposing center snap the ball without checking Williams is 25+ yards off the LOS.

Hazlett called his 2nd best game of the season, but it was still average at best.[/quote]

Perhaps if we still had Orakpo and Carriker.

Still comes down to talent to me in the secondary. Our safeties have been weak.

[QUOTE=Bucket;955234]You know what an awesome secondary would look like?

Champ Bailey - CB
Carlos Rogers -CB
D. Hall - Nickel
Sean Taylor - FS
Laron Landry - SS

Man that would bring a tear to any D. Cordinator's eye.[/QUOTE]

Dont forget Ryan Clark.

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I wonder what would have happened if we had gotten Eric Berry instead of Trent Williams in 2010?

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[quote=Ruhskins;955330]I wonder what would have happened if we had gotten Eric Berry instead of Trent Williams in 2010?[/quote]

We would be saying "Damn RG3 is getting killed with Polumbus at LT and Black at RT; no time to throw at all! JPP had 5 sacks today?!?! Cut this guy! I wonder what would have happened had we of drafted Trent Williams instead of Eric Berry"

and for the defense or if we'd win "Man Berry is the only bright spot in our secondary; He can't cover everybody; Erics sucking today; You know we actually have a good chance at winning the NFC East because nobody has a CLEAR CUT good secondary..."

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[quote=Mattyk;955321]Perhaps if we still had Orakpo and Carriker.

Still comes down to talent to me in the secondary. Our safeties have been weak.[/quote]

You know how I know it's Mike Shanahan's fault? The fact that he couldn't turn Rex Grossman or John Beck into RG3-lite in 2011 tells me everything I need to know about this so-called "talent" evaluator.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955330]I wonder what would have happened if we had gotten Eric Berry instead of Trent Williams in 2010?[/quote]

I was kinda depressed when I saw that pick but I think Williams plays a more important role (believe it or not) now that we have a QB.