What's Cole's Problem?
 

This guy is really starting to irritate me, I didn't mind him staying at first because I thought he was disgruntled but a decent guy, he say's he want's out, and is now doing everything to prevent that from happening, now he want's a new contract from whoever trades for him? Now I want him out of here, he doesn't know what he want's, or he's just interested in the money, either way I say see ya LC!

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Sounds to me like this is becoming more and more about the $$$.

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Wow, I never knew a 13 million dollar signing bonus was chump change. :rolleyes:

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seriously, coles was one of my favorites, but now hes bein a little bitch and its rediculous.

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I would really love to know the reason he wants to leave straight from HIS mouth.

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Well yeah he is being pretty bitchy, I believe because he has some specific target in mind. In fact, it's probably somewhere we wouldnt consider trading him, which is why I think he is demanding a release.

I wonder where he wants to go.

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Don't get the Coles situation misunderstood. Like Lavar a year ago, he claims management said one thing, but turned around and did some thing else. He may be Mildly upset but I'd bet he would be willing to stay on the team if push came to shove and nothing was worked out I don't think he'd sit out like McCardelle or Ogunglei. The $ situation is driven mainly by the agent, because thats how they get paid.

Think about like this, no one is trully ever willing to give something for nothing. If he was released, he would clearly have no problem giving up that bonus money because he could easily make it back when he inked a new contract. In a trade with out a contract extension he'd just lose 5mil and who knows how much the agent would lose. He was tring to get out of here for free and I think the redskins are doing the right thing with this because no one gets something for nothing especially when you would in turn fuck over the team!

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Don't get the Coles situation misunderstood. Like Lavar a year ago, he claims management said one thing, but turned around and did some thing else. He may be Mildly upset but I'd bet he would be willing to stay on the team if push came to shove and nothing was worked out I don't think he'd sit out like McCardelle or Ogunglei. The $ situation is driven mainly by the agent, because thats how they get paid.

Think about like this, no one is trully ever willing to give something for nothing. If he was released, he would clearly have no problem giving up that bonus money because he could easily make it back when he inked a new contract. In a trade with out a contract extension he'd just lose 5mil and who knows how much the agent would lose. He was tring to get out of here for free and I think the redskins are doing the right thing with this because no one gets something for nothing especially when you would in turn fuck over the team![/QUOTE]He wasnt going to lose 5 million in a trade that is why we couldnt trade him without restructuring Samuels contract

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Don't get the Coles situation misunderstood. Like Lavar a year ago, he claims management said one thing, but turned around and did some thing else. He may be Mildly upset but I'd bet he would be willing to stay on the team if push came to shove and nothing was worked out I don't think he'd sit out like McCardelle or Ogunglei. The $ situation is driven mainly by the agent, because thats how they get paid.

Think about like this, no one is trully ever willing to give something for nothing. If he was released, he would clearly have no problem giving up that bonus money because he could easily make it back when he inked a new contract. In a trade with out a contract extension he'd just lose 5mil and who knows how much the agent would lose. He was tring to get out of here for free and I think the redskins are doing the right thing with this because no one gets something for nothing especially when you would in turn fuck over the team![/QUOTE]

Turn what? :cheeky-sm

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Could it be that Coles wants to go to Dallas to reunite with the coach that drafted him? Just a thought.......

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That would make me vomit.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Could it be that Coles wants to go to Dallas to reunite with the coach that drafted him? Just a thought.......[/QUOTE]

Snyder wouldn't let that happen he's a fan first, then a owner or atleast thats how he acts sometimes

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Coles has been very classy about this all, I believe.
He kept his mouth shut during the season.
He finished the season strong.
He has not used the media to state his opinion; he has expressed his desires to team management only.

Coles wanted to be a free agent so he could decide where he goes. Since it doesn't look like the Skins are willing to oblige in that regard, he figured he'd ask for a bigger contract from possible second-tier sutors.

I would actually like for the team to keep him. He is a solid player who has one of the best work ethics in the league. He played pretty well this year, and will likely have a better year next year when the offense gets a bit better. Winning will cure all.

We're gonna take a large cap hit no matter what we do, so why not keep him. He has said if he's here next year he'll lace em up just like he has in the past. I say keep him and let him ride it out.

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I give Danny a lot of shit, but I won't deny him the fact that he sure does make things exciting in the offseason and he really isn't as terrible an owner as we'd all like to think. I will say he definitely doesn't surround himself with the smartest people though.

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I agree cpayne

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I say to heck with him let him rot, if he wants his money he has to play. They signed him 2 years ago for a $13 million bonus and now he wants more?? Suck it up and play, if he doesn't want to be a skin let him retire and get nothing. Maybe he can come back and suck in Baltimore with Deion in a couple of years, I hear he needs some company on the IR and by then his toe ought to be good and arthritic.

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I don't think Coles is going any where. He is now making it harder to trade him maybe he has decided he dosn't want to leave. This time of year the rumors fly and I think that may be some what true for Coles.

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[QUOTE=Yellow31]I say to heck with him let him rot, if he wants his money he has to play. They signed him 2 years ago for a $13 million bonus and now he wants more?? Suck it up and play, if he doesn't want to be a skin let him retire and get nothing. Maybe he can come back and suck in Baltimore with Deion in a couple of years, I hear he needs some company on the IR and by then his toe ought to be good and arthritic.[/QUOTE]Deion had toe problems himself. Remember all the flack he took missing games with turf toe.

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I'm thinking Coles is just using this new deal excuse to prevent the Skins from trading him so he can be released, and then let a few teams get in a bidding war for him.

So yeah basically it seems to be boiling down to the money whichever way you look at it.

I'd prefer to get rid of him at this point anyway we can, not only to get rid of a disgruntled player but to help save our cap space for the future.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Could it be that Coles wants to go to Dallas to reunite with the coach that drafted him? Just a thought.......[/QUOTE]
let him and when he goes across the middle taylor will clean his clock

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Snyder wouldn't let that happen he's a fan first, then a owner or atleast thats how he acts sometimes[/QUOTE]


Not only Snyder, but Gibbs wouldn't let that happen either.

I just thought about that because the Redskins clearly do not want to release him, and it seems like maybe Coles already has a team in mind.

Like I said, its just a thought.

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[QUOTE=Yellow31]I say to heck with him let him rot, if he wants his money he has to play. They signed him 2 years ago for a $13 million bonus and now he wants more?? Suck it up and play, if he doesn't want to be a skin let him retire and get nothing. Maybe he can come back and suck in Baltimore with Deion in a couple of years, I hear he needs some company on the IR and by then his toe ought to be good and arthritic.[/QUOTE]

Yellow31 stop holding back your true feeling's, this isn't that kind of forum just let it out. :laughing2

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Yeah I hate it when people sugar-coat things. :)

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I agree with the majority of you. I'm pretty pissed off @ Coles. Now at first I was just pissed off at the situation, but the man was unhappy and wanted a change. He was classy about it, didnt bitch bigtime to the media or anything. Thats fine, I'm sorry you dont like it here. So they try to work out some deals, this is where I start to become not just pissed off, but infuriated with a guy like this. It freaking pisses me off that the team is bending over backwards just to try to accomidate to your needs, and you wouldnt give back your bonus if we traded you, or restrcuture your contract. WTF is that???? Seriously, if we keep this guy and throw him on the practice squad, I wouldnt give a crap. The fact that he refused to give back his bonus or restrucutre for the point of trading him is bullsh*t. Apparently he wants a new contract extention on top of that, which turned some teams off (at least thats what I've heard from a Jets fans standpoint). Either-way, L.Coles is pretty high on my sh*t list right now.

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He might be on our collective s* list now, but next fall when he's catching 7 passes a game I think we'll feel differently about him. Bottom line, he's very talented even when his toe bothers him. Even with a hurt toe, he managed to get open enough to catch 90 passes. Also bottom line, he's very professional. He works hard and doesn't cause a stink during the season; he takes care of business and career desires in the offseason.

He won't be a problem in the locker room, he'll work hard, and he'll play well, whether he wants to be here or not. I'm disturbed by his attitude, but the best news I've heard is that he's likely to stay. We're all mad now because of the way he's acting, which is understandable, but give it some time and a little bit of that Gibbs Midas Touch with keeping the peace, and I think we'll all forgive and forget. Laveraneus Coles is still a starter for the Redskins fellas, I'd rather that be the case than see us starting James Thrash in 2005.

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SChneed - another great post. However, don't you think this off-season might sour some of his teammates mouths? That would be the biggest drawback to having him back, in my opinion.

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What really gets me is how the hell do teams get themselves in a position where they don't protect guaranteed money they give to players. Seriously, there should be clause in contracts that states that if you quit the team you forfeit all you're guaranteed money. Question, can you put a disgruntled player on the unable to perform or injured reserve list and not pay them if they hold out? Or maybe even fine them? What would be the excuse to put them on the list? Emotionally unhealthy to perform?

I still have love for Coles. I think we aren't really getting the whole story.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]SChneed - another great post. However, don't you think this off-season might sour some of his teammates mouths? That would be the biggest drawback to having him back, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yeah agreed, Antonio Pierce is already on the record saying that having him back would likely cause a distraction. But I think it would all depend on how Coles handles himself. If he is bitching and moaning about stuff, and acting negative, and not enjoying himself with his teammates, then I'd imagine guys would see him as a distraction. But if he goes into the year, keeps his mouth shut, works hard and plays hard, I'll bet all the guys will just forget about it and it will eventually all pass as water under the bridge. I'd expect him to act professionally. He's being a pussy right now in the offseason, but based on what I've seen from him so far in his career, I'll bet he goes back to being a stand-up guy during the season.

The other thing, if Gibbs opens up the offense a bit like he says he is going to, and Coles ends up catching a TD or two early on in the season, I'll bet LC will be back to being very happy.

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[QUOTE=saden1]What really gets me is how the hell do teams get themselves in a position where they don't protect guaranteed money they give to players. Seriously, there should be clause in contracts that states that if you quit the team you forfeit all you're guaranteed money. Question, can you put a disgruntled player on the unable to perform or injured reserve list and not pay them if they hold out? Or maybe even fine them? What would be the excuse to put them on the list? Emotionally unhealthy to perform?

I still have love for Coles. I think we aren't really getting the whole story.[/QUOTE]

If you could forfeit guaranteed money, it wouldn't exactly be guaranteed, would it.

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SUPPOSE fir just a moment that Coles really believes that he has been hosed by management. He - and his agent - left a session with the FO and thought they had a deal where he would be released and then "things changed". He thinks that they "reneged" on the deal that was struck. SUPPOSE that is what he thinks.

Now, just how cooperative would you expect him to be under those circumstances? The correct answer is NOT AT ALL !!

Why would I think that is even possibly the case? Hmmm... Lavar Arrington and his agent thought they had one deal and all of a sudden they had a different deal. Steve Spurrier thought he would be working with an experienced NFL GM here but suddenly it turned out to be the Vinny and Danny show. Maybe Joe Crisp can explain to all of us the sudden and sort-of mysterious circumstances under which the former Skins' director of PR left the team last summer...

I don't KNOW - and neither does anyone else here KNOW - what transpired among Coles and his agent and Gibbs and Snyder in all of this, but if Coles and his agent even begin to believe that the Redskins are trying to double cross them on a deal they struck, then I'm not at all surprised to see how he is behaving. And if it continues on, don't expect him to do anything more than show up when he has to show up in order to collect his $5M roster bonus. And come training camp, I'm thinking there will be a recurrence of the toe injury early on...

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]SUPPOSE fir just a moment that Coles really believes that he has been hosed by management. He - and his agent - left a session with the FO and thought they had a deal where he would be released and then "things changed". He thinks that they "reneged" on the deal that was struck. SUPPOSE that is what he thinks.

Now, just how cooperative would you expect him to be under those circumstances? The correct answer is NOT AT ALL !!

Why would I think that is even possibly the case? Hmmm... Lavar Arrington and his agent thought they had one deal and all of a sudden they had a different deal. Steve Spurrier thought he would be working with an experienced NFL GM here but suddenly it turned out to be the Vinny and Danny show. Maybe Joe Crisp can explain to all of us the sudden and sort-of mysterious circumstances under which the former Skins' director of PR left the team last summer...

I don't KNOW - and neither does anyone else here KNOW - what transpired among Coles and his agent and Gibbs and Snyder in all of this, but if Coles and his agent even begin to believe that the Redskins are trying to double cross them on a deal they struck, then I'm not at all surprised to see how he is behaving. And if it continues on, don't expect him to do anything more than show up when he has to show up in order to collect his $5M roster bonus. And come training camp, I'm thinking there will be a recurrence of the toe injury early on...[/QUOTE]That is a valid point but the flip side is L.C. signed a contract and now wants out so who reneged first. L.C. is who so now he wants his cake and eat it too. It looks as though the laugh will be on him and he will still be a redskin next year.

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IR requires the player and the teams union rep to sign off on it i think... you can't just punish people by shoving them on IR anymore...

he's still a good WR, he's just proven himself to be a mental fucktard... taylor has some off field issues too... once the season starts, if coles is out there catching passes all will be forgiven... at least until the next episode.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]SUPPOSE fir just a moment that Coles really believes that he has been hosed by management. He - and his agent - left a session with the FO and thought they had a deal where he would be released and then "things changed". He thinks that they "reneged" on the deal that was struck. SUPPOSE that is what he thinks.

Now, just how cooperative would you expect him to be under those circumstances? The correct answer is NOT AT ALL !!

Why would I think that is even possibly the case? Hmmm... Lavar Arrington and his agent thought they had one deal and all of a sudden they had a different deal. Steve Spurrier thought he would be working with an experienced NFL GM here but suddenly it turned out to be the Vinny and Danny show. Maybe Joe Crisp can explain to all of us the sudden and sort-of mysterious circumstances under which the former Skins' director of PR left the team last summer...

I don't KNOW - and neither does anyone else here KNOW - what transpired among Coles and his agent and Gibbs and Snyder in all of this, but if Coles and his agent even begin to believe that the Redskins are trying to double cross them on a deal they struck, then I'm not at all surprised to see how he is behaving. And if it continues on, don't expect him to do anything more than show up when he has to show up in order to collect his $5M roster bonus. And come training camp, I'm thinking there will be a recurrence of the toe injury early on...[/QUOTE]

And he faults the Skins for trying to get something in return for what he cost the team to bring here both draft pick wise and in salary? He didn't like the way things went last year and now wants money he doesn't deserve from us plus more money from his next team? I say tough sh*!. He signed a legally binding contract and I'm pretty sure there's no hidden text in the contract saying he can quit the team when he doesn't like how the offense is playing. I had mad respect for what he left on the field game in and game out as a Redskin, but I have lost all said respect for him as a man after him acting like a little punk cuz he's not getting enough of the types of passes he likes. Every single person, fans, players, coaches, and owners, associated with the Redskins is frustrated right now but I don't see any other key components of the team wanting to take their ball and go home. I can understand a hard working underpaid player wanting a pay raise when their contract doesn't meet the levels of the production the player brings to a team, but this sure as hell ain't one of those times.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Could it be that Coles wants to go to Dallas to reunite with the coach that drafted him? Just a thought.......[/QUOTE]


Doesnt that sound like Jerry Jones......I can hear it now.......screw the Redskins out of cap room......get released and come to papa (Parcells).............

I thought Coles was one of the FEW quality free agents that we signed, he played hurt, tried hard.......and now it's all about the $$$$$$ :smashfrea